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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I am noticing a pattern: you make big claims but never support it with hard biblical evidence.
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Really? Then there is no earth left for Satan to be released and deceive billions in Satan's little season.
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    You keep applying this to some imaginary future millennium when there is no mention in the text. This is typical Premil. They are constantly adding to Scripture. It is expressly talking about the NHNE that comes when Jesus appears. After talking about the righteous and their eternal bliss the...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    What unregenerate are worthy to populate your future millennium and on what grounds? Basically, what is the biblical criteria, if any?
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Irenaeus Irenaeus agrees with Justin. He lists the resurrection at the coming of Christ as the time when the curse is finally removed, incorruption is introduced and death and the devil are eliminated. This climactic portrayal fits consistently with the Chiliast vision of future state. There is...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    It is not just that the ECFs believed Satan was bound at the First Advent, not one early writer that I can find (up until AD240) taught a further binding of Satan at the second coming. You are trying to foist that upon them without the slightest evidence (or justification) to do so. What is...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    I never called you a "pseudo-historian." I am not sure how you deduced that. As usual, you put your false claim in quotes, as if i said that. I was talking about where you source historic material.
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Why twist what he is saying?
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    You have been taught wrong. Isaiah 65:17-21 declares, “For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    He is talking about 1 binding of Satan and relates it to the First Advent. Premils constantly see double to justify their beliefs. The evidence above demolishes your thesis.
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    You must think I am a walking encyclopedia. LOL. I have read thousands of ancient manuscripts on many diverse subjects. I have not memorized the writings of the ECFs, or do I intend to. My research was sitting at home. I told you that. I have not been home or had wifi where I was staying for 2...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    You can paper over the pagan source of Lactantius' teaching all you want but it exposes the dubious origin of ancient Premil. Apart from the heretic Cerinthus, Lactantius (c.240-340) seems to be the only early writer that held to any of the beliefs (outside of the existence of a 1,000 years)...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Why do you not tell us where Lactanius received his theology? I am shocked that you are promoting Lactanius and his Divine Institues to support Premil as he relied upon the pagan Sibyllines for his views rather than Scripture. Chapter XXIV — Of the Renewed World Now I will subjoin the rest...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Once again, here is the core of your responses: you counter with arguing from silence in regards to the ECFs to support your theory re Rev 20. This is not historically admissible evidence. It is prejudiced commentary. That is all you have! Having engaged with you for years on this, there is no...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Please do not talk on behalf of Tertullian. You have been blatantly misrepresenting him for weeks on this thread. The evidence i presented supports my thesis and refutes yours. Admit that you have nothing to support your opinions. You have brought no quotes to support your speculations.
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    No, you have not! Your pattern is to dismiss explicit statements that these early Chiliasts made that conflict with modern-day Premil and you counter with arguing from silence to support your theory re Rev 20. This is unacceptable, inadmissible and damning to your position. The bottom line is...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Hippolytus of Rome was a disciple of Irenaeus of Lyons and like him an advocate of early Chiliasm. He lived around AD 170 – 236. He was another who was unapologetic in his belief that Satan was bound since the earthly ministry of Christ. Referring to Luke 13:15-16, Hippolytus declares: For...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Tertullian was a Romanized African citizen based in Carthage, in current Tunisia. He lived between 160 – 240 AD. He was one of the main Chiliast heavy-weights. But unlike modern day Premillennilaists, and in keeping with the uniform early Millennialist position, saw Christ as a conquering king...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Irenaeus repeatedly teaches in his writings that Satan was bound at the First Advent. The Lord showed Himself under every aspect and truly to be the strong man, saying that one can in no other way “spoil the goods of a strong man, if he do not first bind the strong man himself, and then he will...