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We are not talking about that. We are talking about eschatology. You know that! Christ's glorious reign according to early Chiliasts and modern Amils is not on this current corrupt earth, as you and the ancient heretics believe[d], where you have more of the same-old same-old. It is a newly...

Modern Premils have one tenet in common with early Chiliasts. That is it! Amils have many common beliefs. What is more, all the early Chiliasts and Amils for 210 years after the cross believed in a climactic return of Christ that saw the end of sin and sinners, crying and dying, disease and...

For the record: The likenesses between Mormonism and biblical Christianity are minimal and peripheral. Modern-day Premi is the identical child of, and mirror image of, ancient heretical Premil. Their fundamental traits are near identical.

Here are some modern Premil fundamentals promoted by the ancient heretical founders of modern day Premil - Cerinthus, Marcion, Porphyry [or Porphyrius] and Apollinarius. None of these views can be found amongst the early Chiliasts. Christ reigning on a future millennial earth. Caius speaks of...

The issue is: you are both so besotted with your doctrine that you cannot objectively accept the facts. You do with the ECFs what you have done for years with Scripture - you twist teaching to suit your false beliefs.

Both ancient Amils and ancient Chiliasts opposed these fundamental Premil beliefs. · The binding of Satan on a future millennial earth after the second coming is a modern-day Premil fundamental; ancient Chiliasm taught it happened through the life, death and resurrection of Jesus. ·...

The quotes presented above are damning to your position, showing the wide difference between early Chiliasm and modern Premil and would also confirm my thesis re the similarity between early Chiliasm and modern Amil. You can search all you want for support for modern day Premil amongst the...

LOL. You guys are clearly desperate for something when you have nothing. It is fun to watch you both trying to make black white and white black.

New! Satan bound at the First Advent! The Lord showed Himself under every aspect and truly to be the strong man, saying that one can in no other way "spoil the goods of a strong man, if he do not first bind the strong man himself, and then he will spoil his house." Now we were the vessels and...

Satan destroyed at the Second Advent! Irenaeus lists the resurrection at the coming of Christ as the time when the curse is finally removed, incorruption is introduced and death and the devil are eliminated. This climactic portrayal fits consistently with the Chiliast vision of future state...

I already did above. You obviously missed it. Satan bound at the First Advent! Irenaeus was the great champion of early Chiliasm. He probably wrote in the clearest detail and had the greatest influence of all the early Chiliasts. His origins were notable in from Asia Minor. Notwithstanding...

Op Note While there has been much ranting on here from some Premils, it is very telling that no Premil has been able to refute the Op so far. All we have is the all-to-common online Premil tactic of attacking the messenger rather than addressing the message. This is sad and draining...

Exactly! The Premiller has no answer to these strong climactic passages.

It is really hard to take your posts serious on this subject. Once again, you do not even know who you are quoting here. This was not Tertullian but Irenaeus that said this. You are going to have to grasp the basics first before parading yourself as an authority on the early fathers. You are...

This thread has embittered and frustrated you because you have nothing to refute the Op. All you are left with is insults and personal attacks. That is what you are most comfortable with. I am not. I am done with you. Go somewhere you have something profitable to contribute.

Then practice what you preach Instead of all your ad hominem. No harm to you, but, you are the last person I would take lectures from in regard to engagement here. Start by looking in the mirror.

This is all a figment of your imagination. It is fizz and bubble. Where do you get this in the Bible? Nowhere. Not that that matters to you as you make it up as you go with Scripture and the ECFs. Your avoidance of every question I present that calls out your fabrications is a case-in-point...

You say "The slight blip at the end of the Millennium." Yea right! Who writes your script. Self-deception is the worst deceit. Convince yourself of this lie and keep repeating it. But the only one you are fooling is yourself. If Satan was destroyed then that would be it! There would be no more...

You are doing a U-turn and rewording what you said. You said: "This just seems to be a review of what Paul said would happen at the 2nd Coming ... in accordance with John, the Devil is also destroyed, or defeated, at that time." No Premil believes that, and you know that. You are being...

The NHNE does have a time system.