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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Stop avoiding the issues please.
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    But you are not. You are presenting a theory which you cannot even show one single proof text. It is not in the Book. I suspect you know that.
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Do you believe Satan and his minions are physical beings? Is the dragon in Revelation 20:2 a literal physical dragon? Is the serpent in Revelation 20:2 a literal physical serpent? Is the key mentioned in Revelation 20:1 a literal metal door key? Is the chain mentioned in Revelation 20:1 a...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    I notice, you do not tend to read what others write, or respond directly to their points, you just seem to make theological speeches that avoid the many holes in your theory.
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    · Firstly, the binding of Satan is spiritual. Satan is not human and physical. He is a spirit. A spirit cannot be held by physical restraints. What is more, he is not in a physical prison or is he restrained by metal chains. · Secondly, the binding does not suggest our enemy must be...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    This explains why you struggle to grasp Rev 20.
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Do you believe Satan and his minions are physical beings? Is the dragon in Revelation 20:2 a literal physical dragon? Is the serpent in Revelation 20:2 a literal physical serpent? Is the key mentioned in Revelation 20:1 a literal metal door key? Is the chain mentioned in Revelation 20:1 a...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Yes 1 Peter 5:8 says, “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour” but you fail to complete the teaching of the passage or grasp the power the believer possesses. The very next verse 1 Peter 5:9 affirms, “whom resist...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Pretribulationists employ Scripture as supposed proof that Christ is coming in a two-stage return, firstly, at ‘the rapture’ to the sky for His saints and, secondly, at the revelation of Christ (which they say is different from the rapture and is a third coming 7 years later) which they argue...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    There is no thousand years mentioned here. You have to insert it in there. This is another passage that exposes Pretrib and shows a general judgment. There are many, as i showed you above.
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Much Scripture proves that Jesus is "the first resurrection" (Acts 26:23 and Revelation 20:6), "the firstborn from the dead" (Colossians 1:18), "the firstfruits of them that slept" (1 Corinthians 15:20), "first begotten of the dead" (Revelation 1:5). Matthew 12:22-29, Mark 3:11, 23-27, Luke...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    I agree with some of what you say and disagree with other things you say. Sadly, Pretribbers are not the literalists. They explain a lot of climactic Scripture away. They have to for their theology to fit. For example, 2 Timothy 4:1-8 informs us when this glorious (all-inclusive) number will...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Yes. Christ appears with His holy angels (Matthew 13:41-43, 49 16:27 24:29-31 25:31-32, Mark 13:25-27, Luke 9:26, Revelation 14:14-20) and the New Jerusalem (John 14:1-3, Hebrews 11:8-10, 13-16, 13:14. Revelation 3:11-12, 21:1-4). There is a general resurrection/judgment (singular) of all...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Because the Scriptures i presented show the end of the world occurs at the parousia of the Lord. This forbids Pretrib and Premil.
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    2 Peter 3:3-13: “there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his parousia? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    I am fully aware what Pretrib believes. I used to hold to it. The Greek word parousia appears 24 times in the New Testament. It is rendered “coming” in 22 passages and “presence” in 2. The word can be interpreted coming, arrival or presence and simply expresses in the Greek what it implies in...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    ?
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    What is the word for "coming" in the Bible?
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Ahhhh. Just cobble Scripture together to mean what you want. That is convenient!
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Where in Scripture teaches a rapture of the Church followed by a 7-year tribulation period followed by a 3rd coming of Christ?