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@Soverign Grace This is a good point to expand upon. I would even go so far as to say, that during most of the history of the church the leaders/preachers/pastors have not done the best of jobs. I mean, something like "walking in the spirit" ought to wow people in the pews, and yet it has just...

Certainly.

That makes logical sense to me too...but I am more and more convinced that God's own method is even contrary to that. That He has it working in His favor for good, not only relying on our weakness, but planning on it. Sort of like: "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace...

Certainly it doesn't feel that good, and I would tend to agree, if not for the claims made in the scriptures to the contrary. Which is not to say that the scriptures say that we should act perversely. But rather, that in spite of the fact that the scriptures speak against the things you listed...

Yet another confirmation that "spiritual" is good! LOL!

The two differences, whether you call them two different gospels or something else, they are indeed different. But not different in every respect, certainly not so different as to be considered two and separate. If one makes a journey, is his going out separate from his return or two journeys...

"See" the rapture...is probably not the best choice of words for understanding. Luke 17:20-21 "Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the...

Okay... The two differences, whether you call them two different gospels or something else, they are indeed different. But not different in every respect, certainly not so different as to be considered two and separate. If one makes a journey, is his going out separate from his return or two...

Still the Lord God, who is not mad, changed his mind regarding Nineveh. For this reason the accusation is against God also. Not good. Not wise.

Yes, the one passage was not applicable, that was my point. And yet, taking up so, is not without consequence.

Okay...but now you have this discussion on two different threads also :) Let's pick it up there.

Aaah! Well, it is good to see that you have perceived this difference. Sorry if I missed it...but did you offer an explanation as to why they are different, or noted differently?

Yes, even men can be a son, a father, and I had not gone so far as to say they were in "opposition." It just seems to me that "two" coupled with "gospels" is simply not a good choice of words to describe things that are not actually in opposition. If you had said "two folds" (as do the...

I guess I am not getting the point you are trying to make. Would you mind paraphrasing the point?

None of your two-gospel claims can be reconciled with: Mark 3:25 [Full Chapter] "And if a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand."

Is there a question in there?

Someone who changes their mind is not "double minded" or "unstable." By using this word from God against a brother, you say it against Him. Because that is the word from Christ regarding His little ones; and because that is exactly what God Himself did at Nineveh.

And this we see portrayed at the cross, by the two thieves. Believing Israel looked forward to His coming (the thief that was in Paradise that very day with Christ), and those who formerly mocked Him (the mocking thief) who would come to believe in His coming after and looking back, by the blood...

Matthew 6:33 "But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you."

No, obviously you reject [some] of what the scriptures say. Categorically rejecting all that is "new" (Matthew 13:52), you have turned against Christ and fallen from grace.