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Oh. I agree. If one has faith, he is given the pledge of the Holy Spirit... But THE PRIZE is not yet won. As in the previous post: Philippians 3:12-14

OK,,,except JESUS did NOT speak of mental assent. HE said the person BELIEVED and THEN FELL AWAY. You still haven't replied to my question: FROM WHAT did they FALL AWAY?

Right. It's only eternal IF you abide IN CHRIST. John 15:1-6 Find out what an earnest is as in 2 Cor 1:22 and 2 Cor 5:5 which is YOUR verse...it means a pledge.....It has conditions. Also Eph 1:13-14 It all speaks of a pledge, an earnest. The promised item comes at the end. Philippians...

I misspoke bb. But I fixed it right away,,, I said that he contradicts the church. (not himself). For instance...he can't be a judge for homosexuals. The CC is so against this....that they ARE judged...in a nice and welcoming way, but they still believe it's wrong. Communion to remarrieds. He...

Again I agree. Do you believe in the real presence?

I'm agreed to all. I just think that if immersion is not possible, then sprinkling is OK. I say this because it's what the ECFs believed and not everywhere is it easy to come by that much water. I could speak to you about those that have not heard about Christ,,,,but I'm just too tired today...

Well, the NO ONE HAS EVER GONE UP TO HEAVEN... is referring to Jesus. He came down from heaven. and He went back up to heaven. There is no one else like Him. and YOU AND YOUR SONS WILL BE HERE WITH ME Who said that? David? The sons can't come back here.... he had to go to them.....

I mean the other. But OK. I also don't like thinking about it... which I do too much anyway.

It's a seal of a guarantee to receive something at the end. And it will be received IF the conditions have been met. Like when you buy a house. You receive a seal of guarantee that one day that house will be yours. IF you make mortgage payments every month. Anyway, the seal meant baptism. The...

OK JBF, Wait,,,I have something for you. Now @Enoch111 will be wanting one too....!

Why do you love him? Because he contradicts himself all the time? Or the church, I should say.

You funny. Right!

Let me say this. The little I know...makes me realize HOW MUCH I do NOT know. THIS I KNOW FOR SURE! LOL As to after death.... I wanted to start a thread on this some time ago... But you'd have to be a part of it. I know a priest that believes in annihalism. Those saved go to be with God. Those...

I also don't know this H. White. I think what the problem is,,,,generally,,,is that we don't like to hear more about a PERSON rather than about God, Jesus, Holy Ghost, scripture and this type of beliefs. I tend to think that it IS kind of dangerous to be too attached to one person. Of course...

JD, there's no use in continuing down this path...it will get us nowhere. Please talk to me about what you believe in your faith system, or your theology. For instance, what do you believe about...... baptism necessity to obey God eternal security what happens immediately at death is yours the...

Will do. Just want to say that to me scripture and ECF is practically the same thing. And if anybody thinks this is blasphemous...they don't know about the ECFs.

There ya go. I've never read Revelation. Will be looking into it. Elijah comes to mind.

Did I dig that pit? The L of F pit? I don't even like to talk about the hot place. Do you see me talking about it, except when I'm forced to. OTOH,,,I've been told many times I'm not saved and am headed straight there. Because my beliefs are different than the person who so condemns me.

No. I haven't. Send me the link please. I don't know the value of talking about eschatology,,,but it's nice to know what one believes. If it come up.

Yeah. I believe in one day at a time. Plus, if there are so many different beliefs about the end... how should WE know which one is right?