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What do you mean, NO JESUS YET? Till the 2nd coming.... what does the person do in the meantime? WHO is preaching to them? Could these be the "ghosts" we hear about? (I'm serious). I don't know ANYONE who knows for sure who those spirits in prison are. I can't even talk about it. And 4:6 is...

I didn't take anything in a bad way. It comes off sometimes with me like that. I've always admired you and try to take you at your word. Yes, I admire you even though your theology is different from mine. Think about myself...in the sense that maybe I worry TOO MUCH about everybody else. I...

You make an interesting point. Are you orthodox? If you are, could you please tell me how the heirarchy is set up. If you're not...I'll ask someone that is. I don't like learning from google. I thought they had a type of "pope".

I'm sure @Hisman will also reply,,, but what I can say is that this has been my point.... God knows everything... He let us know what we need to know to help us...since we will NEVER understand everything about the spiritual world. But He is not letting us know anything NEW that was NEVER...

OK. I won't debate the Real Presence because I'm not sure myself. I understand both sides,,,I can only say that the wafer or piece of bread should be honored since it is an honor to receive it and to remember what Jesus did for us. If some want to believe in the real presence that's fine with...

Did you see the above? @bbyrd009

Listen to this: It doesn't matter what you want to call a rose,,,,it's still a rose. Call it the Roman Catholic Church (of which there is no such thing- but I know what you mean). Now it goes back hundreds of years and becomes: The Catholic Church (let's say 325 AD and prior to) Before that...

Yes. MAYBE I'll understand that one!

So what are you saying? I should just worry about myself? And what about those reading along? Maybe I should just give up?

Who else would we give glory to? And I agree with you. But don't you also think we're required to join in on the works God has for us HERE on earth?

@bbyrd009 You posted verse 2 Samuel 12:23 re the going to the dead son. Yeah. That's the only one... Hope I didn't send you on a wild goose chase!

Yes. Even begging doesn't help. One can read the N.T. and make ANYTHING out of it that they may... at least they should be able to stand up for what they believe.... just like I do.

Hey bb, Not only do I blame ANYONE that takes ADVANTAGE of a young person..incl a president we all remember.... but priests even more....THEY SHOULD KNOW BETTER. I mean, if you can't trust a priest, who can you trust? He's just a man, you may say. Fine. Then don't become a priest...since the...

OK. BUT,,,, There's something about this in David too. His son died, and he said the son couldn't come back to him (David) so David had to go to the son (when he died he'd see the son again). How to find out?

I agree 100%. This is what I mean when I say that revelation becomes more clear. Thanks for saying it in a much better way. And welcome to the forum.

But we all like to believe that we HAVE died. Did you know that the Early Fathers actually thought that after one was baptized he would never sin again? Why do you think 1 John says what it says. They had to come up with a solution. The solution was confession because some were waiting till...

Well, @"ByGrace" gave you a like. But I don't even know what you're talking about. Maybe you could explain better?

@justbyfaith I'm going to have to stop writing to you. You NEVER reply to my verses. And you keep giving me NEW ONES. What's the problem...? You can't answer to mine, can you? I know, the truth is hard to take. vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

Whose works are they? God doesn't need to do any works.

Oh really? Do you know how many times I've been told that a person could LIVE AS HE WANTS TO because it's impossible to lose salvation once one has believed in Jesus. You're not aware of this?