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Both sides of the equation were indeed spoken. But still, men have not rightly divided the word and cannot reconcile all of what was said. Which I have quoted but you have not acknowledged, but left out.

In general terms, yes. But so called Jews during these times would not be included with the dead in Christ, because the dead in Christ are with Him, and they are not. So, because of such possible confusion, I would say: The dead in Christ are those of Israel of whom Christ was the Last, and the...

You say archaic, I say original. Modern is not always better. And, no, they don't at all say the same thing.

I was going to ask where you got that first comment...because it is not biblical. But I see from your next comment that it is rooted in your own prejudices. You should deal with that first.

The semantic difference between that of mass event vs. collective event is one thing, and rather silly. But your translation leaves a few important words out: 1 Corinthians 15:23 King James Version (KJV) 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's...

You may as well say that Christ has not overcome the world. And yet He has. And because He has, we know that these times are not subject to the enemy, but to Christ, whom has made us kings and priests under His reign. Which is why I said, many do not know the times.

The point is that the scriptures speak of the catching away from God's side of the equation as a mass event - which it is. But Paul clarified that it is not so from our side of the equation, but rather that we come "each in his own order." This is the great difference between time and eternity...

There is, for all are "in Christ." So the noted difference, which is not by me, but by Jesus, is of the make up of the one flock, some of whom came to Him as "the dead in Christ", and some who came/come to Him as "the living in Christ." Therefore, it is two folds, but one flock. He did. But this...

Yes, but these are not a problem, as there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. Those holidays are captured territory...Christ has overcome the world. This is the work of the fathers of the church who took them from the enemy, to their credit. These, if they are done in celebration and...

You have misunderstood me. I did not say that the Holy Spirit sinned. I said that YOU had said that the Holy Spirit sinned because you are calling the breath in Adam the same as in Christ. Is that not what you said? I didn't read the rest of your comment (above). This first.

I would agree with you if you had prefaced your comment with "With the Lord..." But you prefaced it with "No", as most who take the scriptures to mean that there is a mass exit from the world, which there is not, and not according to me, but to Paul who clarified the meaning.

That was my point. Many Christians continue to keep holy shadows not knowing what has and what has not passed, and not knowing the times.

You have the same [holy] spirit sinning in Adam but not in Christ. The One spirit which Paul spoke of is indeed One, because the foreshadowing of the One was (as you say) a mere image. The explanation here, is the difference of "the waters below, and the waters above." Below a foreshadowing in...

Nancy, are you aware that Paul clarified the timing of the rapture (as follows)? 1 Corinthians 15:23 But each one in his own order... The last trump comes to us each individually.

You are speaking of that which was breathed upon Adam as if it were the same Holy Spirit sent by Jesus during these last days, but Paul did not: 1 Corinthians 15:45 "And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit." That which...

I guess you missed the change from the old to the new covenant: Hebrews 8:13 "In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away." 2 Corinthians 3:6 "who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new...

I didn't take his comments to mean that, but rather that preaching the wrong message (gospel) to the wrong group would have consequences...like what might have happened if Moses disregarded God and preached grace instead of the law. Perhaps his choice of words could have been better. I have to...

Yeah, misguided good intentions will surely be frowned upon by Jesus, and some will literally have gone completely off the wagon, but most are just people poorly doing what people do. Weakness and blindness are not unforgivable.

I think were talking about two different things. I believe the point of the OP is noting the two different folds brought by Christ into the kingdom, with no intent to diminish the kingdom, Jesus' teachings, and no attempt to return to the flesh...just a noted difference in the message leading...

No, I think we can stop here. I have noted the great changes that occurred at the cross regarding the things of Daniel and Revelation, as the greatest apex in world history, described by the scriptures and Christ Himself as old and new...and you are not getting it, acting like I have to prove...