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I wrote virtually the same thing this morning in another thread. What is the context of Romans 13:1-4? Was Paul speaking or not speaking about Nero and the government of the pagan Roman Empire the Christians were living under?

You got it and refused to believe it.

@marks I can’t quote post # 260 so this is my response to it. If you’re dead set in your mind that I’m dishonest - or any other synonym of your choosing - then it would be wise for you not to spend your time reading my posts. On that premise, my advice was don’t read my posts or post to me. You...

No. That’s right. Was Paul not speaking about Nero and the Roman Empire in Romans 13:1-4? Would you accept Nebuchadnezzar playing the role of the government?

Thanks. The reason that I asked is because I’ve put forth the argument in another thread this morning, that the problem we’re discussing goes back to the mixing of the role of the church with the role of the state in the 4th century; the formation of the church-state. The Pope running the show...

You asked if I wanted you to stop posting to me. I said no. You can’t take no for an answer. Will you take yes for an answer? What do you want to hear?

I’ve already told you that I can help him with or without you. If you don’t want to help him, then don’t. The fact is that you’ve chosen not to help him. Yes. He doesn’t think he needs anyone’s help. “Man is better than God. God did nothing.” He’s in trouble and doesn’t know it. He isn’t...

Then you’re playing a game. You’ve already decided that I’m dishonest. Go with it. You don’t know what to believe. Nothing I say will change that. You’re playing to the crowd.

I won’t ask you to help someone in trouble in the future. I’ll ask others.

Does my answer to your question influence your decision whether or not to continue speaking to me?

You not helping him is his loss, not mine. You have your reward. It wasn’t for me. It was for him. There’s only one reason why someone wouldn’t respond to a cry for someone to help someone else.

No. Does that influence your decision?

I acknowledged that I knew another word, a synonym, for the word that you used. There was no need for me to say the synonym you had in mind. Your meaning was clear without it. *** Readers, this isn’t the first time that he has called me dishonest. You may not know that but he does. One...

Then spend your time wisely. Don’t read or post to me. His loss. I can help him with or without you.

You read a lot of what I say and don’t want to hear any of it. I “tossed you a bone.“ By not reading what I went on to say, you missed an opportunity to help @Riven.

You have a limited vocabulary, and your meaning was clear from the start. Is Peter the first Pope? *** @Riven do you think Peter is the first Pope? @RLT63 do you?

So what‘s the problem? The merging of the role of the government with the role of the church, which occurred in the 4th century; the church-state. The Pope running the show. (Up until the Protestant Reformation.) That’s not at all what Paul had in mind.

Like in the days of Nero. God used Nero as a tool to punish the disobedient. God uses the non-follower of Jesus, not the follower of Jesus, to punish the disobedient. Need a sword (a weapon of the world) to do that. God uses the follower of Jesus, not the non-follower of Jesus, to evangelize...

Did God ordain Nebuchadnezzar? AI Overview - “Yes, according to the Hebrew Bible, God explicitly ordained King Nebuchadnezzar II of Babylon, granting him dominion and even referring to the pagan monarch as ‘my servant’ to carry out divine judgment against Judah. Biblical Basis for...

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