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@Riven do you recognize the man in the photograph? Romans 13:1-4. He’s a “Nero,” a “servant / minister of God”. Joseph Stalin. (Better or worse than Nero?) God used this wicked man to stop what was happening in the Nazi concentration camps. Joseph Stalin wasn’t sent to carry out the Great...

Scripture doesn’t tell us what happened to him. Neither does any other source. We do have information from Roman sources and early Christian writings concerning what happened to men in his position and what instruction the church gave them. I suspect that something similar happened with...

See the writings of the Ante Nicene Church Fathers.

That’s not true. God did do something. Does that sound similar to what happened when the Assyrians and the Babylonians laid seige on Jerusalem? God didn’t stop it but Christian men did? Christian men did better than God?

Paul is writing about the pagan Roman government. Can Christians be pagans? Can pagans carry out the Great Commission? No. It is the role of the unbelieving to maintain order in the world. What happened to Cornelius after he converted? Did he continue to serve the pagan emperor with his...

Jesus and the apostles didn’t treat their enemies like that @Riven. Neither did the other followers of Jesus. That’s not what loving your enemy looks like. You understand that, don’t you? Do you know who did? Read Romans 13:1-4 and you will. That’s not the role of believers. That’s the role of...

That’s right. The apostles are in agreement. That’s also right.

You don’t believe that God could prevent that from happening if Christians had obeyed the teaching of Jesus and the apostles. I do. Both sides would have tried to kill you. The Christians removed themselves from the area.

I said that governments are tasked by God with the responsibility to protect their people and maintain order, as Paul wrote in Romans 13:4. Said the Jewish Sanhedrin to the apostles. My reply to you is their reply to the Sanhedrin. I’m not. And neither are the Christian pastors whom I‘ve quoted.

It’s not my logic. I’m drawing on the teaching and practice of Jesus, the apostles, and the church for the first three centuries of Christian history. “We do not use the weapons of the world” isn’t compatible with serving in the military or law enforcement. The military and law enforcement have...

I already have, but I’ll do it again. Yes. They shouldn’t have been in the army in the first place. They should have done what Jesus and the apostles instructed the followers of Jesus to do -> love their enemy. Now, 1st century Pagans vs. Unbelieving Jews. Both sides are enemies of Jesus...

@Riven It’s the 1st century. Pagan Roman Empire vs. Jews who rejected Jesus and God. The followers of Jesus were there. They didn’t kill anyone. Through the magic of the WABAC machine, you’re there. Who are you killing?

Jesus and the apostles never chose to take someone’s life. The early church leaders taught the followers of Jesus not to take the life of others. I’m glad you didn’t take a life.

There is no alternative for followers of Jesus. “We do not use the weapons of the world.” - Paul Jesus and the apostles did not do to their enemies what was done to that woman. Nero should have been done. (And was.) The Jews challenged the Roman occupation. (The followers of Jesus...

This wasn’t done by people who were following the teaching of Jesus. This was done by people who weren’t.