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Thanks. The NT believers in Jesus see the messiah as the ideal Israelite.

We will meet him in the air as he returns (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17).

“Most current scholarship agrees that Christianity began not as a separate religion, but as a sect of Judaism. In the early first century CE, Jews who believed that Jesus was the Messiah were simply one sect among many.” (Joshua Schachterle, “Jewish and Christian Traditions in the Didache”)...

It comes from numerous Christian sources. I would avoid accusing those who disagree of being carnal. That’s a weak-minded approach. Christians can (and sometimes do) disagree among themselves. That doesn’t make any of them carnal.

The Christian website linked in this post is popular with many, but not all, Christians @Eliyahu613. It attempts to list messianic prophecies. Please note that it doesn’t include Genesis 5:24. Please also note that it speaks about the difficulty of putting together such a list, that lists vary...

Thanks. Some list it as a messianic prophecy but most sites (and commentaries) I’ve looked at don’t. You don’t feel the need to agree with all Jews. I don’t feel the need to agree with all Christians. What would persuade me is if someone could point out where a NT writer believes it is a...

I’ve been serious the entire time and I believed you to have been, too. Someone must or you wouldn’t have presented it. I don’t consider it to be a messianic prophecy. I don’t think any NT writer identifies it as a messianic prophecy. I think you’ve probably read, as I have, many things...

So you say. However, other Jews, whom you’ve acknowledged in a previous post, agree with the Christians. Jews disagreeing with Jews (and Christians) on the interpretation of scripture is epic. What obviously is to some Jews is obviously not to other Jews. The “obviously” argument won’t ever...

Thanks. Christians should have no problem agreeing with you that the passages you’ve quoted are messianic prophecies. The man you’re looking for will not be able to do any of that in an instant. We should be able to agree that it will take a span of time to accomplish.

You’ve established the NT as the witness. As you will go on to relate for us, many men saw and spoke with him following his resurrection. Has it ever crossed your mind that Jesus didn’t want them to recognize him while they were on the road? The witness of the NT is that they did recognize him...

That’s a good start. Christians you’ve spoken with have referred to many, hundreds. You see few, around half a dozen. That’s an important difference between Jews and Christians. Are Christians expecting the messiah to do more things than you are? Would you list those messianic prophecies that...

The earliest Christians were Jews -> Jews who were disciples of a fellow Jew whom they believed is the subject of all messianic prophecy. The majority of Jews didn’t, and still don’t, believe that that man was the subject of the messianic prophecies. Reasons vary. Even those Jews who believed...

I think it might help advance the conversation if you would state (or restate) for our readers the number of messianic prophecies that you (and / or Judaism) believe there actually are in the Hebrew Bible.