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Who died? Jesus died. Jesus is God; God was crucified - but God didn’t die. Jesus is the second person of the Trinity; the second person of the Trinity was crucified - but the second person of the Trinity didn’t die. Jesus is the Godman; the Godman died (Sproul) Jesus is not a human person; a...

You may. He said he converted me a couple of months ago. I told him I didn’t think so. He insisted that he did and we left it at that.

Trinitarianism: Jesus is God; but God didn’t die. Jesus is the second person of the Trinity; but the second person of the Trinity didn’t die. Jesus is not a human person; Jesus is a divine person who took upon himself impersonal human nature. Jesus is the Godman; the Godman died. P.S. This...

You said that you did. Welcome back. I knew I hadn’t seen you around for a while. Your belief about God.

Have you forgotten that you converted me to your belief several months ago?

Then we are in agreement after all: God did not die. Sproul said that it was the Godman who died. He held to the trinitarian belief / teaching that Jesus was not a human person. God did not die. The second person of the Trinity did not die. A human person did not die. The Godman died.

That’s excellent, but it doesn’t answer the question: Did God die? Have you ever heard anyone say, “God died for your sins”? In Jewish monotheism, that’s blasphemous.

How does that relate to God died? Are you saying that you don’t know whether or not God died?

In trinitarianism, Jesus isn’t a human person.

“Jesus is God.” I’ve heard that from trinitarians my entire life. “Jesus died on the cross.” I’ve heard that from trinitarians my entire life. “God died on the cross.” I’ve heard that from trinitarians my entire life. “The second person of the Trinity died on the cross.” I’ve heard that from...

@RLT63 in scripture Jesus is called anthropos (“man”) not theanthropos (“Godman”). The earliest reference to Jesus theanthropos is in Origen’s writing titled De Principiis, which dates to c. A.D. 220 - nearly 200 years after the person whom scripture calls anthropos was crucified, resurrected to...

Easy as 1, 2, 3. 1. Jesus is God. 2. Jesus died on the cross. 3. God died on the cross. Me: God didn’t die. You: God died. Conclusion: We aren’t in agreement. We do differ on that, but we already knew that. What’s new to me is your belief that God died on the cross.

I’ve pressed on in Jewish monotheism. You’ve pressed on even beyond trinitarianism. I’ve long since left you to it.

”[The NT writers] give us no formal or formulated doctrine of the Trinity, no explicit teaching that in one God there are three co-equal divine persons. But they do give us an elemental trinitarianism, the data from which such a formal doctrine of the Triune God may be formulated.” (Edmund J...

”1. The one God. (a) theos is the most frequent designation of God in the NT. Belief in the one, only and unique God (Matt. 23:9; Rom. 3:30; 1 Cor. 8:4,6; Gal. 3:20; 1 Tim. 2:5; Jas. 2:19) is an established part of Christian tradition. Jesus himself made the fundamental confession of Jud. his...

“It is impossible to document what we now call orthodoxy in the first two centuries of Christianity; heresy often appears more prominently, so much so that orthodoxy looks like a reaction to it. But we can document orthodoxy for all the centuries since then - in other words, for close to...

I remain committed to the simplicity that is found in Jesus Christ.

The “someone” in question is God himself. Me: God himself didn’t die. You: Option 1. God himself didn’t die. Option 2. God himself did die. If you can’t in good conscience choose Option 1 then don’t, but that’s what it would take for us to be in agreement. Offered for your consideration, an...

This is the type of post which really appeals to me. When we read the writings of the early Church Fathers - which is something you know I’ve been advocating for the past few months on the forum (and for several decades before becoming a member of this forum) - we find that what they actually...

So we’re in agreement then that God himself didn’t die?