Search results

That’s not surprising, but it is inconsistent and incompatible with Jewish monotheism. I’ve been very hard on the trinitarian clergy. I tend to paint them with a broad brush. I have Martin Luther warming up in the bullpen. I’m trying to decide whether to give it to you straight or give it to...

Does “mighty hero” (el gibbor) scream “the deity of Christ!” to a trinitarian audience? I doubt it. We read about el gibbor in many passages of the OT, and most people never realize it. For example, David’s men of valor are each, individually, el gibbor; collectively, as a group, they are el...

I don’t reject it at all. It’s a valid translation decision. I embrace it. My only issue with it is that it has the potential to mislead readers. When you read “mighty God” (Heb. el gibbor) in Isaiah 9:6 doesn’t it scream to you “the deity of Christ!”?

@RLT63 based on what I’ve written so far about Isaiah 9:6, do you think I reject the rendering of el gibbor as “mighty God”? If you do, then you’re in for a surprise. If you don’t, then you’ve pleasantly surprised me.

I’m sure trinitarian translations, ancient and modern, are produced by trinitarians. The point of the exercise is that translator bias is more common than most people think. The example I used with the passage from Mark is of one type of bias. When the passage is read, this bias is seen by...

I opened the Bible (NASB) I’m reading at random to a page in one of the four Gospels. The page I selected “blindly” contains passages from the Gospel of Mark. On the page I looked to see if there was a conversation recorded between Jesus and unbelieving Jews. There was. Here it is. “They came...

I posted Strong’s because it provides numerous meanings for the Hebrew phrase el gibbor. That’s the point. Lots of people are called el gibbor in scripture. The translators don’t render it “mighty God” when scripture is speaking of them. Should we be surprised that the vast majority of...

I agree that it is a prophecy about Jesus. Jesus isn’t Yahweh.

I appreciate it, but I would still worship both God and Christ openly in America even if America some day disallowed it.

I provided a link to the NET in post #2641. You can read it by following the link, if you trust it and want to. I think the trinitarian commentary on the passage is excellent; better than most because it’s balanced.

I believe it is a messianic prophecy. btw, “the Eternal” is Moffatt’s rendering of the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) - Yahweh.

I’d have to go back and find it but there’s a very high probability that I’ve read it at some point in my life. Have you read the NET commentary? It presents my position as well as yours to the reader.

Here is a link to an English translation of Isaiah 9:6 in the Septuagint. Esaias 9

That’s because I was focusing on el gibbor. “Great is his authority, endless is his peace, over David’s throne and his dominion, to base it firm and stable on justice and good order, from henceforth and for ever - thanks to the jealous care of the Eternal.” (Moffatt, Isaiah 9:7)

The link you provided didn’t take me to commentary. Was it the commentary in NET? Their commentary is balanced.

What about Moffatt? Have you read the trinitarian commentary on Isaiah 9:6 in NET? Isaiah 9

Obviously. Christianity never should have but, by and large, it did. Apologies from various denominations have been extended. As horrible as that attitude was and is - wherever and whenever it is found - my primary reason for bringing it up is the impact it had on the development of doctrine...

Well, back to trinitarian translations of Isaiah 9:6. “For a child has been born to us, a son has been given to us; the royal dignity he wears, and this the title that he bears - ‘A wonder of a counsellor, a divine hero, a father of all time, a peaceful prince!’” (James Moffatt, The Bible A...

There’s a great scene in Fiddler On the Roof where the priest’s assistant contemptuously refers to the Jews as “Christ killers”. That attitude sums up Martin Luther and his vicious anti-semitism (as well as much of Christianity, in general, through the centuries). The sentiment expressed by...

Every single Jew was an adversary to Christians? Jesus himself is a Jew. The earliest Christians were Jews. What would they think about what Constantine said? See history for examples of how Christians have “had nothing in common with the Jews”.