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This is a very important point. Human beings are “dust of the earth”. If Jesus isn’t “dust of the earth” then Jesus isn’t a human being. I believe Jesus is a human being; you don’t believe (“not for one second”) Jesus is a human being. Literal preexistence is non-human being existence...

What I see is that the order for all human persons is first natural, then spiritual. I see this order as applicable to Jesus, truly a human person, which makes the issue that of preexistence - you holding to literal preexistence; me to the notional preexistence of Jewish monotheism.

I have a margin reference to Ezekiel 32:21, where others are also called el gibbor. What does that tell us about the meaning of the Hebrew phrase?

We have the same scripture but a different interpretation. Your interpretation is that Jesus isn’t a human person; that he only appeared to be a human person? How is that different from what the Gnostics believed?

That points to another difference between us. I believe Jesus is a human person.

God doesn’t exist without his Holy Spirit. Elizabeth and Jesus had to be filled with their God’s Holy Spirit.

Begetting means declaring?

So was / is Jesus.

“You shall love your neighbor as yourself” (Mark 12:31).

The Council of Nicaea, A.D. 325.

“For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us” (Romans 8:18).

“Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth” (Matthew 5:5).

I stand in the gap. Every day is an IDEAL day for me.

Edgar Alan Poe, 21st Century Version

Need more cow bell.

First things first. A guarantee has been given on the forum that the end of the age will happen in 2026.

Begotten by his God.

Jesus the Nazarene is the prophet like Moses (Deuteronomy 18:15, 18; Acts 3:22).

So also does the Messiah.

Just listen to Jesus and believe him. He tells us who his God and the God of his followers is. There is no other. If people want to argue about it until Jesus returns, they will.