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  1. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    I’ve told you that I don’t. You will never hear me say those words to you, or to anyone else. Now I’d like to see where you stand. “It is amazing how many hoops you will jump through to deny what the Bible clearly says.” I know you believe this about others. You’ve said so yourself. Is this...
  2. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Your Jewish friend probably told you that Jesus has been dead for 20 centuries. Standard operating procedure in Rabbinical Judaism. What need is there for resurrection if a person is already immortal? An immortal person must go somewhere when the body dies. Heaven, hell or purgatory are your...
  3. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    A Muslim man told me the very same thing. He doesn’t believe in the same Jesus you believe in, nor does he believe in the same Jesus I believe in. He believes in “another Jesus”. If you’ve looked into Islam’s teaching about Jesus then you know that we don’t have to look very hard to see that...
  4. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    I’ve never met him but I’m confident enough to say that he is not three persons. I’m also formally educated in theology and know that the doctrine of the Trinity doesn’t teach that the Trinity is made up of three parts. P.S. From a trinitarian source. “… this one God is not made up of ‘three...
  5. Matthias

    Does John 1:1 say Jesus is God

    No, John 1:1 does not say that Jesus is God.
  6. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    That’s right. That comes from reading the scriptures in chronological order. I’m a Christian, a Jewish monotheist, reading Jewish writings. You’re a Christian, a trinitary monotheist, reading Jewish writings. We’re reading the same thing but we’re not understanding what we’re reading the same...
  7. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    She was a virgin! She conceived a human person in her womb without the involvement of a human person / father. It’s a miracle!
  8. Matthias

    Did Christians invent the Trinity-2

    Or don’t. It was an invitation, not a command. The invitation was declined. There’s nothing wrong with that.
  9. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Of course. You couldn’t possibly see it that way.
  10. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    How much reading we do isn’t necessarily a problem. What we read can be. JAT isn’t reading the Church Fathers. JAT is reading the “fluff” writers. “Mary changed God’s diapers and suckled God at her breast.” We should be shocked and appalled at such nonsense, but JAT is enthralled and applauds it.
  11. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Bravo! The band could be savage at times. It took time for them to mature in the faith.
  12. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    By the same people who brought us “there are only two Bible translations worth reading” (NASB95 and NKJV). What do I constantly advise all readers? Read widely. Read deeply. Read Thoughtfully. Read Critically. I went through the list. There isn’t a single passage which contradicts the Jewish...
  13. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Everyone is persuaded by the statement. The question is, what are we persuaded of by the statement? Are we persuaded that the person who addressed it to us is correct? We may be persuaded to believe many things in response to the statement but we aren’t persuaded that the person who said it...
  14. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Thanks. I appreciate the feedback. Since you think that about me, that gives me reason to believe that at least some others do to. Your feedback offers me an opportunity to set the record straight: I don’t think that about you. I don’t think that about anyone. There was a time in my life -...
  15. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    No. That has no bearing on where the Trinity is revealed. You’ve been clear and consistent about that.
  16. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    Where is the Trinity revealed? In the writings of the early Church Fathers. It comes to us from the Church.
  17. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    The Trinity most definitely is not revealed in scripture. There is no occurrence of “God” which means “the Trinity”. What is revealed in scripture is how God is reconciling man to himself through a man. In the NT, Jesus of Nazareth is revealed as that promised man.
  18. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    @RLT63 do you think that I think you or anyone else jumps through hoops, however many, to deny what the Bible clearly says?
  19. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    I’m sure that persuaded him. Just as sure as I am that you would be persuaded if someone, anyone, said to you what you said to him. I’ll be the Guinea pig. * It’s amazing how many hoops you will jump through to deny what the Bible clearly says, RLT63. Well, how did I do? Are you persuaded...
  20. Matthias

    What does Colossians 1:16 mean when it says "For by him were all things created..."

    All analogies of the Trinity give a wrong view of the Trinity. The Trinity isn’t revealed in scripture. The truth is Jesus is the answer. His God isn’t the Trinity.