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  1. Matthias

    What is the rule of faith for Christians?

    I’m sorry to hear that. I hope you’re feeling much better and I’m glad to see you posting again. We’ve discussed this before. I’ll take a different tact this time and see where that takes us. Christ founded the Church for - to be - the body of the new creation.
  2. Matthias

    Another translation Bible

    I don’t know what the situation is where you live - I know internet access is difficult, inconvenient and expense in some parts of the world - but you have some access to the internet and websites such as Bible Gateway offer many translations you can read online. That might be a good short-term...
  3. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    They believe he is a man and that from the moment of his birth he acted like a man. They’re right, aren’t they? Let’s agree with them when they’re right. Find and acknowledge as many points of agreement with them as possible. Many trinitarians have told me that before speaking with me they...
  4. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    A suggestion. Show us, your readers, that this isn’t just or only a non-trinitarian belief.
  5. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    I don’t know about the trinitarians, the binitarians and the unitarians, but you’re dulling my hearing - and I’m sympathetic to what you’re saying! Don’t stop saying it. Find another way, a thousand different ways, to say it. That’s my advice. Do whatever you think best.
  6. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Many of my colleagues don’t like it that I post orthodox trinitarian scholars. They’ve expressed their concern that it is doing the job of the trinitarian - “aiding and abetting, promoting, a theology we don’t agree with“ - and may cause people to embrace it. I am doing that job and I do run...
  7. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Dr. Brown to straying trinitarians, in Heresy: Come back to Chalcedon. Come back to Nicaea. Come back to orthodoxy. Come back to the faith. He was heart broken over the decline of orthodoxy. Heresy was first published in 1984. Orthodoxy continues to decline. His plea hasn’t stopped the...
  8. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    That’s right. One needn’t be a Calvinist in order to embrace orthodoxy. Brown wasn’t writing with the purpose of bringing us back to Calvinism. He wrote to bring us back to historical trinitarianism, orthodoxy.
  9. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Orthodoxy. I also don’t subscribe to it. A growing number of trinitarians don’t subscribe to it. That’s why Dr. Harold O.J. Brown wrote his book Heresy. He wrote it for people just like you. His mission in life, his goal, was to bring you back to orthodoxy.
  10. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Trinitarianism: Jesus is human, not a human person. What does JAT say about that? JAT neither knows nor cares how trinitarianism explains it. JAT rejects it, generally recognizing that on the surface it’s nonsense.
  11. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Facts. Nothing but the facts. Everyone should be able to agree with this. Cool. Remove the first line in this paragraph about other titles (trinitarian bias) and we would be in agreement. The line “Jesus was truly a human being” is correct. Reconcile that, if you can, with the teaching of...
  12. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Do what you have to do. Why do you have to do it? I think you have to do it because you don’t recognize that “divine” in my statement means is “godlike”. When you read “divine” you hear “deity”.
  13. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Christianity can rid itself of “Jesus is not a human person.” Trinitarianism cannot rid itself of “Jesus is not a human person”. Trinitarian theologians explain why it can’t.
  14. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    I would like Christianity to shed all of the post-biblical creeds. That will happen some day, but it won’t happen before the Messiah returns.
  15. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    The only definition I have of a trinitarian is a person whose God is the Trinity. The only definition I have of the Trinity is the one formulated in historical orthodox trinitarianism. I know you do. That’s why I use the title “trinitarian” when addressing you. But you embrace some teachings...
  16. Matthias

    Where I Belong

    I don’t want to derail the thread so I’ll just mention in passing that there is also the Radical Reformation, which Catholics and the Protestant reformers vigorously opposed. It sought to take Christianity even further back than the 4th century. If there is to be unity among trinitarians...
  17. Matthias

    Church councils?

    I was raised a Southern Baptist; a trinitarian. I’m now a Jewish monotheist; not a trinitarian. I’m aware of the accepted standard of the forum. The same authority that established the standard has also stated in writing that I’m still considered a Christian. I understand your complaint about...
  18. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    In that case, would you prefer that others refrain from using the title “trinitarian” to describe you? When you knock on my door, a Christian is knocking, not a trinitarian?
  19. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Yes. But the point is he could, and did, do it. Peter is both a man and divine.
  20. Matthias

    Where I Belong

    It is a tough question. The early church was confronted with it. There was unity and diversity in early Christianity. It was only after the Church finally decided in the 4th century what would be considered orthodox and enforced it that diversity within Christianity was virtually annihilated...