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Hmm. Agreement not confirmed. That’s cause for me to pause.

I read a book earlier this year titled “Who Made the Moon?: A Father Explores How Faith and Science Agree.” The author of the book is Sigmund Brouwer (a trinitarian, if that matters to you.) I thought it was very good, and he approaches the topic in the same manner you are. Are you by chance...

None of which teaches God in three persons. The honor of that interpretation of scripture goes to the Catholics. They had it before you. We get it from them. The preservation of church history documents it. You inherited the fruit of their labor.

Church history documents that it isn’t. Catholic scholarship tends to be more honest with the relationship of scripture and the post-biblical development of trinitarianism than is Protestant scholarship.

I think you should have mentioned the Trinity, but I’m not complaining that you didn’t. You have confidence in a deity which isn’t the Messiah’s God. I don’t know how that will work out in the end. I believe there is a wideness in God’s mercy. How wide will be demonstrated in the resurrection...

Do we have to understand that the Godhead is three persons in order to be saved? I think we’ve agreed that we don’t. Please let me know if I’m mistaken about that.

I don’t know about @Wrangler but I appreciate that kind of attitude. The mouth that speaks like that won’t speak to me like the mouth of the wicked and the hypocrite does. Do you pray to anyone besides Jesus?

So much for your no more dialogue position. When your head hits the pillow tonight, your deity will not be my God and my God will not be your deity. Don’t lose a minute of sleep over it. It will be the same when you awake in the morning. My hope for you is that one of these nights you’ll be...

Ride hard or don’t ride at all!

I like that you’ve made your stance as a non-trinitarian clear. We have non-trinitarianism in common but diverge quickly after that.

Some people think I’m a one-trick pony. (Not the same pony Jack is riding, though.)

No more dialogue aside, God and the Messiah.

I’ve met thousands upon thousands of people who have no fear about having a deity which the Messiah himself didn’t, doesn’t and never will. I fear for them.

Did any of the prophets do anything like that? Yes, they did. Did any of the apostles do anything like that? Yes, they did.

It also tells me that Jesus himself isn’t a trinitarian, nor are the apostles when they obediently baptize only in the name of Jesus. What does it tell you?

It tells me that “name” doesn’t mean a personal name; it’s not a baptismal formula. (If it was, those who baptized would have invoked it and we would be reading it in scripture.) The Father’s name is Yahweh. The Son’s name is Jesus. The Holy Spirit has no name.

Jesus is Lord - he is the Lord Messiah - but that doesn’t make him his God, nor does it make him Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

I agree with you that “God is not 3 persons!”

That doesn’t make Jesus himself the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. When baptisms are done in the New Testament they were done in the name of Jesus.

Jesus hasn’t been knocked off his throne by me or anyone else. My God is his God. Your God is the Trinity. Our God isn’t your God.