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Faith in Christ? see, some are advocating salvation by baptism...I hope you mean faith in Christ. Faith in the wrong thing, including good works, is not salvation according to the Bible Matt 3:6 and Mark 1:5 are PRIOR to the death of Jesus. John's baptism is NOT the baptism a Christian...

So back to my original question which is actually the crux of the matter..... Does faith in Christ save one or does baptism, infant or adult save one? You see, as comfortable as some may be with thinking baptism saves, that is not what scripture teaches. It has nothing do with age. It has...

That was why I was baptized also Arnie...a public declaration of my faith in Christ and the fact the Bible teaches that baptism is an observance of an outward declaration of inward faith Do you think discussing what scripture says concerning baptism is telling them what baptism should mean to...

huh. And which half are you with? Do you think a person believes in Christ first and is saved, or do think Baptism saves? (that is actually the discussion)

The cart before the horse theology does not work. If someone states Baptism saves, then what do we do with Jesus? Invite Him over for lunch, or maybe a dip in the pool? I'm not trying to be funny (it just comes natural, I don't try)...Seriously...if the Son of God did not do enough and His...

You really will argue about anything at all, won't you.... The pope is fallible. He is a human being...he is not sinless and therefore he is just like every other Joe Blow on the planet. The Bible is the Word of God. The RCC is man's interpretation of God's word. Jesus is the...

The Bible states that the devil comes as an angel of light...he is a deceiver, a liar and his purpose is to destroy. Fear is not of God but the devil sure enjoys that emotion. Exorcism is not a rite...it is the right of every Bible believing Christian to cast out demons in the name of Jesus...

Niki, on 17 Aug 2013 - 2:12 PM, said: Can you imagine the fallout if the Pope ever stood up and declared scripture the only valid expression of God's will? With the RCC, it is always oh yes, we believe and teach what the Bible says..and then the math begins...the Bible PLUS Rome, the Bible...

The Titanic was supposed to be unsinkable. Your Pope is supposed to be infallible. They are the both the same.

Oh I'm sorry aspen. No. That is not what I meant. I was venting my frustration at 2 people on this board and I got carried away. I really did not mean that the way it came out. I'm sorry if I hurt you by that ... I am up to here with the tactics I have seen displayed with regards to steam...

Typical. This is why those of us who are not Catholic walk away shaking our heads. I have posted scritpure, links to CATHOLIC sites that agree with what I say and have repeatedly asked Selene to please respond without attacking. I guess that is just asking too much. No one is bleeding all...

Yeah that's what I said Alan. That's what I said. They are two separate things and as you have repeatedly pointed out to Selene, baptism does not save anyone. Well, I'm done with trying to discuss anything with her because it's impossible. She loves the last word so I say let her have it...

Interesting. I have to be honest here. I think the biggest problem with your posts Selene, is that you believe them. Right. You are definitely the Roman Catholic on the scene here. The only thing you have proved, is that you will not change your mind even when scripture says something...

This confusion with the Holy Spirit is very confusing. The Holy Spirit is not received at baptism. The NT says no such thing. We are sealed with the Holy Spirit when we believe and there is also the second infilling for the gifts of the Spirit...just ask a Charismatic Catholic Christian...

READ THESE SALVATION VERSES AND SEE THAT NONE OF THEM INCLUDE BAPTISM IN GOD’S PLAN OF SALVATION: JOHN 3:16, 3:18, 3:36, 5:24, 6:51, 6:54, 10:9; ACTS 4:12; ROMANS 10:9-13; EPHESIANS 2:8-9; COLOSSIANS 1:12-14; 1 JOHN 5:10-13. THESE VERSES ARE JUST A FEW. THERE ARE MANY, MANY OTHER SALVATION...

Hi aspen No problem re the posting...I didn't think you were being nosy or anything. I don't have an agenda ^_^ Priests not marrying are not the focus of this thread, just another point I made regarding extra-biblical teaching and by the way, I believe one of the articles I linked to...

Hi aspen...I appreciate your moderate comments. My only purpose with regards to this thread is to refute the unbiblical interpretations and responses as made evident by certain responders. Please don't defend Vale. His comment shows the attitude at the heart of being unable to discuss things...

You just cannot stop using the words like accuser, accusations. I find your responses are overly dramatic. You might calm down abit and not take it personally and then perhaps the exchange would actually show an interest in the response rather than a defense strategy. At any rate, the...

That's pretty interesting. You are constantly telling us that we don't have the correct interpretation ...apparently, only YOU have the right interpretation. So, I would not be calling the kettle black so fast. You sure do get huffy in a hurry. No one is attacking you or your church. The...

Premise: Baptism saves you. Get your infant baptized and they are saved. Question: If you are an adult and never baptized, but you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, are you going to hell or heaven? Premise: My baby was baptized in the church so now, no matter, what they are heaven bound...