Selene
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The beauty about the Roman Catholic Church is that regardless of whether he/she is a Charismatic Catholic, a Neocatechumenal Way Catholic, an Opus Dei Catholic, a Focular Catholic, a Benedictine Order Catholic, a Dominican Order Catholic, or a Franciscan Order Catholic, is that we all follow the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which says that we receive the Holy Spirit in Baptism in the same way Christ was baptized at the Jordan River. We are not baptized with John or by John. We are one with Christ in His baptism.Niki said:This confusion with the Holy Spirit is very confusing. The Holy Spirit is not received at baptism. The NT says no such thing. We are sealed with the Holy Spirit when we believe
and there is also the second infilling for the gifts of the Spirit...just ask a Charismatic Catholic Christian Selene and they will be glad to sort you out I'm sure.
CCC 694 Water. The symbolism of water signifies the Holy Spirit's action in Baptism, since after the invocation of the Holy Spirit it becomes the efficacious sacramental sign of new birth: just as the gestation of our first birth took place in water, so the water of Baptism truly signifies that our birth into the divine life is given to us in the Holy Spirit. As "by one Spirit we were all baptized," so we are also "made to drink of one Spirit." Thus the Spirit is also personally the living water welling up from Christ crucified as its source and welling up in us to eternal life.
Christ said that one must be born of water and spirit in order to enter the Kingdom of God. Those disciples whom Paul met were only born of water, so Paul gave them the Spirit so they could be born of spirit.Alanforchrist said:We are sealed with the Holy Spirit when we get born again, But there is a different experience called the Baptism in the Holy Ghost.
Jesus told His disciples that they would receive power when they get baptised in the Holy Gost, Acts 1: 4--5, & 8.
Yet some of those disciples were already saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit in Jn 20: 22, We know Peter was, Because Jesus asked Peter if he had the agape love of God, In Jn 21: 15--17.
One cannot have the agape love of God unless they are born again.
Plus, The disciples in Acts 8, Were born again and baptised in water, Yet they weren't baptised in the Holy Ghost until the Apostles laid hands on them, V14--17.
Plus, Paul asked some disciples if they had rceived the baptism in the Holy Ghost, Acts 19: 2--6.
If the baptism in the Holy Ghost was the same as the rebirth, Why would Paul asked the question??.. He would have known they had the Holy Ghost, If it wasn't a sepperate experience.
In Acts 10, Cornelius and his household received the holy Spirit. So, Peter gave them water so they could be born of water. Christ said that one must be born of water AND spirit. He did not say that one must be born of ONLY spirit. Water was included.
Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?