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So, what your are saying is... Jesus provided enough booze to have a Kegger!

A person once wrote... "None of that has ever been proven to be fact though. It was just assumed..." I agree in this case.

Absurdity validated.

Jesus was never separated from the Father. God is Trinity, and if Jesus can be separated from the Trinity, we have Tri-Theism. It sparks the image of an angry man standing in front of a mirror, slapping himself silly and claiming he can now be forgiving. God is not self-punishing Himself. " God...

I noticed you left off "as He is righteous." "let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous." This is REAL righteousness and character, not a mere "on the books" righteousness spoken of here. Even the context makes it clear... “Whosoever abideth in...

Some people assume that the quality of their walk with God and spiritual failures are the standard by which to judge others and the bible.

Died 'spiritually' on the Cross? God spiritually dies? Do we have to add even more theories to Scripture to arrive at payment? According to Scripture, the wages of sin is death... and Eternal Separation from God in Hell. The only way to "pay" for these wages must satisfy what God says is a...

"Cost" is what is inferred and not "payment." I see it as straining to absurdity to say that people are purchased 'from themselves.' What did God "pay" them to "purchase" them... "from themselves?" In order to be redeemed from slavery, there must be a slave-holder. Being "redeemed" out of...

Quite the diatribe that has nothing to do with the issue of payment in Scripture. It appears to me that when you cannot find payment in Scripture, you throw concepts and unrelated Scripture passages against the wall to see if anything will stick. No passage in Scripture correlates sacrifice...

What becomes clear is many do not believe the Full Divinity of Jesus Christ. :eek:

Yet, unless you believe that getting "saved" is merely waking up and realizing that you have always been saved, then the false analogy that you make is exposed as the inconsistency it is. No amount of men's bad logic makes a statement 'Biblical."

So, when one believes their 'theories' more than the Word of God, the simple dismissal of this fact is relegated to Mystery as "proof?" If you do not accept what I believe as being Biblical, then I can slap down the "Mystery Card" and declare that my inconsistencies and lack of Biblical...

Who did the God of the Israelites "purchase" them from? Obviously from some God that is greater than their God, for who holds such power over the God of Israel? Just as I do not pray to Mary to communicate with God, why wouldn't I just cut out the Middle-man? Or, as a figure of speech can we...

This is a self-contradiction in meaning. You say that a literal ransom was paid, and that somehow a payment made 2,000 years ago, it is finished... so how is salvation contingent on something we do today? I thought it was "paid!" If it was "paid," then justice is satisfied, there is nothing left...

Why? Because I don't believe a man-made theory that is not supported by Scripture? That I cannot believe that there is "No condemnation for those in Christ Jesus?" That a Bible that does not teach that Atonement is a commercial payment believes Romans 8:1?

If I get a phone call that if I go to a sales pitch on time shares, I will receive a free toaster. If I go, did I "pay" for it? To say I "paid for it" would be ridiculous, therefore by your logic, I established it a being in the Bible! Right?

I understand that this is what you believe, yet where does the Bible say this? It doesn't! You can accept a payment all day long, but it has to exist in reality for it to have any effect. I can buy a lottery ticket and "believe" that I am a Millionaire... but if my numbers do not match reality...

Then you need another Savior, don't you! The wages of sin is death... eternal separation from God. That is the price that must be paid, or it is not paid at all! Unless Jesus is in Hell as we speak, separated from God for all eternity, the "wages" of your sins are not "paid for." Jesus...

Notice that only in the past 50 years has any expositor come up with "paid in full." No translation of the Bible (credible one) since the time the letters and histories were written, ever translated "it is finished" as "paid in full." The work of Christ in Atonement was "finished" at His death...

Then, where in the Bible does it say "who" was "paid?" "Who" was holding us "ransom?" Where does Matthew 20:28 say that Jesus "paid" anything? If I win a free plane trip to Las Vegas from a radio station, and I don't like flying, then "the price paid" is getting on the plane for me. It comes...