Παράκλητος (Jn 16:7) and παρακλήσεως (Ro 15:4)

[GracePeace]

The Holy Spirit is called Παράκλητος, and we are meant to obtain παρακλήσεως from the Scriptures so that we have hope.

Would this mean that we should get from the Scriptures the same as we get from the Spirit?
Like the two go together perfectly to give us hope?
The Spirit inspired those Scriptures, so it would be no wonder.
I do get comfort when I consider Christ will never lose me, that I was foreknown, and was predestined.

Would like anyone to share their thoughts on this.

 

[Aunty Jane]

The Holy Spirit is called Παράκλητος, and we are meant to obtain παρακλήσεως from the Scriptures so that we have hope.

Those words are “paráklitos” and “paraklíseos”.
The “Paráklitos” according to Strongs, means…

summoned, called to one's side, esp. called to one's aid.

1. one who pleads another's cause before a judge, a pleader, counsel for defense, legal assistant, an advocate…..in the widest sense, a helper, succourer, aider, assistant.”
   In plain English the “paráklitos” is therefore a “helper”…one who is summoned to render assistance.

Would this mean that we should get from the Scriptures the same as we get from the Spirit?

No….it means that we can gain the assistance of the holy spirit to understand the Scriptures which in turn gives us comfort and hope.

Like the two go together perfectly to give us hope?

Yes. But the hope of what? Opinions widely differ on what that hope is….

The Spirit inspired those Scriptures, so it would be no wonder.
I do get comfort when I consider Christ will never lose me, that I was foreknown, and was predestined.

Since predestination is not a Bible teaching, how does one find comfort in knowing that loved family members who reject Christ, are going to be tortured forever in a hell of fire with no hope of repentance?
If anyone can find comfort in that thought, then they do not know that the love of God would make that impossible.

Would like anyone to share their thoughts on this.

If “God is love” then he would make sure that everyone had a choice, and he would provide the means to make that choice.…an informed one.

If we read the scenario that took place in Eden, we see what a wonderful future God planned for his human creation….to fill the earth with their children, and to transform the land outside the garden, until the whole earth resembled the paradise of Eden. This is the loving God who did not want his human children to even know what evil was. But being made in his image, meant that they were given free will…to exercise within the parameters he provided as their Sovereign.

Death would only enter their lives if they disobeyed God’s specific command NOT to eat from just one tree.
It wasn’t that the fruit was in any way poisoned, but that it was the exclusive property of their Creator. To steal that fruit was to incur the death penalty. There was no natural cause of death in Eden…..death would only come through sin.

 

[GracePeace]

Those words are “paráklitos” and “paraklíseos”.
The “Paráklitos” according to Strongs, means…

summoned, called to one's side, esp. called to one's aid.

1. one who pleads another's cause before a judge, a pleader, counsel for defense, legal assistant, an advocate…..in the widest sense, a helper, succourer, aider, assistant.”
   In plain English the “paráklitos” is therefore a “helper”…one who is summoned to render assistance.

Thank you for your correspondence.

I've heard that Strong's is not taken seriously by actual scholars.

No….it means that we can gain the assistance of the holy spirit to understand the Scriptures which in turn gives us comfort and hope.

Amazing. I love this reality--the Scriptures should give us comfort and hope.

Yes. But the hope of what? Opinions widely differ on what that hope is….

Romans 8 says we have the spirit of adoption, but we hope for the redemption of the body.

Since predestination is not a Bible teaching

But it does say we have been with Christ "from the beginning" ("In the beginning was the Word..."), that Christ will not lose any, but raise them up, and Romans 8 says He foreknew and predestined us. Revelation 9 says the four angels were prepared for that very hour and day and month and year. God's works were finished from the foundation of the world. Yes, I do believe we were foreknown and predestined!

how does one find comfort in knowing that loved family members who reject Christ, are going to be tortured forever in a hell of fire with no hope of repentance?

I don't believe in hell being forever, because of a litany of things Jesus says--some are there forever, because God is so offended He can never forgive them (blasphemy of the Holy Spirit)--that said, not only will you be all right with God's judgment on them, but I think you will rejoice, and praise God for His righteous judgment. Right now, as a human, it's not easy to imagine, but you will love God so much you will praise Him, and it says they will arise to "shame and contempt"--they will have shame, and will be hated by onlookers (Is 66) for the things they have done.

If anyone can find comfort in that thought, then they do not know that the love of God would make that impossible.

The love of God makes it possible that humans will no longer marry in the resurrected state--what was natural to humans becomes unthinkable, and what was unthinkable (rejoicing that your loved ones are under judgment) becomes natural.

If “God is love” then he would make sure that everyone had a choice, and he would provide the means to make that choice.…an informed one.

Why "doesn't" He?

 

[Berean]

The Holy Spirit is called Παράκλητος, and we are meant to obtain παρακλήσεως from the Scriptures so that we have hope.

Would this mean that we should get from the Scriptures the same as we get from the Spirit?
Like the two go together perfectly to give us hope?
The Spirit inspired those Scriptures, so it would be no wonder.
I do get comfort when I consider Christ will never lose me, that I was foreknown, and was predestined.

Would like anyone to share their thoughts on this.

Care to supply some scriptural support please.

 

[GracePeace]

Care to supply some scriptural support please.

In the title I provided citations?

 

[Berean]

In the title I provided citations?

Yes, you cited Romans 15:4; "For whatever things were written before were written for our learning, that we through the patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope." The larger part of the Old Testament had a typical and allegorical significance. The things recorded actually happened, but they are not recorded because there was any real worth in them as history, but because there was a hidden cause or
meaning underneath them which the Lord realized would be for our edification. The Diaglott renders the latter part of that verse as “Through the patience and the comfort of the Scriptures might possess the Hope.”

 

[GracePeace]

Yes, you cited Romans 15:4; "For whatever things were written before were written for our learning, that we through the patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope." The larger part of the Old Testament had a typical and allegorical significance. The things recorded actually happened, but they are not recorded because there was any real worth in them as history, but because there was a hidden cause or
meaning underneath them which the Lord realized would be for our edification. The Diaglott renders the latter part of that verse as “Through the patience and the comfort of the Scriptures might possess the Hope.”

Thank you. This is what I believe.

 

[Aunty Jane]

I've heard that Strong's is not taken seriously by actual scholars.

LOL…Strongs is a widely used and accepted Concordance….but not all scholars agree…so pick your scholars.

Strongs is the most popular for a number of reasons….for me, I can find words easily and look up their meaning…..I also like to see how words are translated and how they are used in other verses of the Bible….
I really don’t think “actual scholars” (whatever that means) have much else of value to add.

Can you provide examples of why you would say the above?

Romans 8 says we have the spirit of adoption, but we hope for the redemption of the body.

I may have a different interpretation of “we” in that verse. Those who are adopted as “sons of God” are the “brothers” of Christ….the ones who will rule with him in his kingdom….his “chosen ones”…..can I ask who you believe they will rule over, and act as priests for? (Rev 20:6)
Since there are no sinners in heaven why are priests even needed?

But it does say we have been with Christ "from the beginning" ("In the beginning was the Word...")

Again…where does it say that? Just because “the Word“ was “in the beginning” with God doesn’t mean anyone else was.
What was it the “beginning” of?

that Christ will not lose any, but raise them up, and Romans 8 says He foreknew and predestined us.

Certainly he lost many along the way, because they “did not stand fast in the truth” but were “turned aside to false stories”….
As Peter said…..
“For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled. 4 They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories. 5 You, though, keep your senses in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelizer, fully accomplish your ministry.”

He also warned….
“Certainly if after escaping from the defilements of the world by an accurate knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they get involved again with these very things and are overcome, their final state has become worse for them than the first. 21 It would have been better for them not to have accurately known the path of righteousness than after knowing it to turn away from the holy commandment they had received. 22 What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog has returned to its own vomit, and the sow that was bathed to rolling in the mire.”

No free willed being is predestined by God to act in a certain way…..he did not create robots.
You can lose your salvation…..by disobedience.

Revelation 9 says the four angels were prepared for that very hour and day and month and year. God's works were finished from the foundation of the world. Yes, I do believe we were foreknown and predestined!

I believe that you are misinterpreting that portion of Rev 9….God’s will was foreknown by him “from the founding of the world”, but that is not a reference to creation……it is the founding of the world of mankind, beginning with the birth of Cain. It is God plan of salvation that was implemented the moment that the humans walked away from God in disobedience….it was the rescue of Adam’s children….those who proved worthy….unlike Cain.

I don't believe in hell being forever, because of a litany of things Jesus says--some are there forever, because God is so offended He can never forgive them (blasphemy of the Holy Spirit)--that said, not only will you be all right with God's judgment on them, but I think you will rejoice, and praise God for His righteous judgment. Right now, as a human, it's not easy to imagine, but you will love God so much you will praise Him, and it says they will arise to "shame and contempt"--they will have shame, and will be hated by onlookers (Is 66) for the things they have done.

“Hell“ (hades) in the Bible, is not a place of torment…it is a place of rest. Hades corresponds to the Hebrew, “sheol”, which for a Jew, meant sleeping in death until the resurrection. Since there is no immortal soul, there is no need to invent places for them to go. (Eccl 9:5; 10) The dead are actually dead.

Gehenna OTOH, is also translated as “hell” in many Bibles…..but it isn’t a place of conscious torment either, but rather a place from which no one returns……a place of eternal death, the very opposite of eternal life.

The love of God makes it possible that humans will no longer marry in the resurrected state--what was natural to humans becomes unthinkable, and what was unthinkable (rejoicing that your loved ones are under judgment) becomes natural.

That sounds like nothing I have ever read in the Bible…..
It is true that the resurrected ones will not marry, but because it was God’s original purpose to “fill the earth”, there would have been a time when that requirement was fulfilled…what then?
Once the earth is comfortably ”filled”, God will likely withdraw procreation from the human race so that everlasting life can be enjoyed without overcrowding.
Who knows what God has planned for his vast universe….he may even make other planets habitable and populate them? He simply doesn’t say…..

Why "doesn't" He?

He does…..the Bible is God’s instruction manual, and in it are all the instructions we need to live this life successfully, whilst God carefully brings us back to his first purpose in creating us here on this lovingly prepared planet…..everlasting life in paradise is to be enjoyed forever by all who love God, and who obey the teachings of his son. Creation shows us God’s love in many ways…..humans OTOH not so much…

 

[Johann]

The Holy Spirit is called Παράκλητος, and we are meant to obtain παρακλήσεως from the Scriptures so that we have hope.

Would this mean that we should get from the Scriptures the same as we get from the Spirit?
Like the two go together perfectly to give us hope?
The Spirit inspired those Scriptures, so it would be no wonder.
I do get comfort when I consider Christ will never lose me, that I was foreknown, and was predestined.

Would like anyone to share their thoughts on this.

Jesus as the Intercessor:

Greek word for intercessor: The word for intercession is ἐντυγχάνω (entygchanō), which means to intercede or plead on behalf of someone.
In Romans 8:34, Jesus is described as the one "who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession (ἐντυγχάνει) for us."
Jesus’ role: In His role as the intercessor, Jesus pleads on behalf of believers before the Father. His priestly work is emphasized in places like Hebrews 7:25, where it says, "He always lives to make intercession for them."

The Holy Spirit as the Intercessor:

Greek word for intercessor: The Holy Spirit is described as making intercession with στεναγμοῖς (stenagmois), which means groanings or sighs, in Romans 8:26:
"Likewise, the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession (ὑπερεντυγχάνει, hyperentygchanei) for us with groanings which cannot be uttered."
The Holy Spirit’s role in intercession involves praying on our behalf according to the will of God, especially when we don’t know what to pray for.
Greek and Hebrew Words for "Intercessor":
Greek:
ἐντυγχάνω (entygchanō) – to intercede or plead, seen in Romans 8:26, 34.
Παράκλητος (Paraklētos) – translated as “Helper” or “Comforter,” primarily used for the Holy Spirit (John 14:16, 26). It can also mean advocate or intercessor.
Hebrew:
פָּגַע (pāgaʿ) – meaning to encounter or intercede, as seen in Isaiah 53:12, where the Messiah "makes intercession for the transgressors."

The Holy Spirit is called Παράκλητος (Paraklētos), which means Helper or Comforter, and we are meant to receive παράκλησις (paraklēsis, meaning encouragement or comfort) from the Scriptures, which give us hope.
This would mean that both the Holy Spirit and the Scriptures work together perfectly to give us hope, since the Spirit inspired the Scriptures (2 Timothy 3:16).
It's no wonder, then, that the Spirit uses the Word of God to give us comfort and strengthen our hope in Christ.
I am comforted when I reflect on the assurance that Christ will never lose me, that I was foreknown and predestined (Romans 8:29-30), and that both the Holy Spirit and Christ intercede for me.

J.

 

[GracePeace]

LOL…Strongs is a widely used and accepted Concordance….but not all scholars agree…so pick your scholars.

Strongs is the most popular for a number of reasons….for me, I can find words easily and look up their meaning…..I also like to see how words are translated and how they are used in other verses of the Bible….
I really don’t think “actual scholars” (whatever that means) have much else of value to add.

Can you provide examples of why you would say the above?

I'm not an "actual scholar", I heard Dr
Michael L Brown affirm it. I Google and found article for you Strong’s Concordance – a Good Tool Gone Bad
Let me know if it's helpful

About the original point : I just wondered about the words' meanings, bc they sound similar and are apparently interpreted similarly.

I may have a different interpretation of “we” in that verse. Those who are adopted as “sons of God” are the “brothers” of Christ….the ones who will rule with him in his kingdom….his “chosen ones”…..can I ask who you believe they will rule over, and act as priests for? (Rev 20:6)
Since there are no sinners in heaven why are priests even needed?

No, not going to get waaaaayyyy into the weeds, just wanted to discuss the topic. We are foreknown and predestined.
I believe it because it says it, and I've never heard a satisfactory reading of it by people who don't accept its plain meaning.

Again…where does it say that? Just because “the Word“ was “in the beginning” with God doesn’t mean anyone else was.
What was it the “beginning” of?

We were foreknown, and He calls people who haven't heard of Him His "sheep".

Certainly he lost many along the way, because they “did not stand fast in the truth” but were “turned aside to false stories”….
As Peter said…..
“For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled. 4 They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories. 5 You, though, keep your senses in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelizer, fully accomplish your ministry.”

He also warned….
“Certainly if after escaping from the defilements of the world by an accurate knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they get involved again with these very things and are overcome, their final state has become worse for them than the first. 21 It would have been better for them not to have accurately known the path of righteousness than after knowing it to turn away from the holy commandment they had received. 22 What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog has returned to its own vomit, and the sow that was bathed to rolling in the mire.”

He hasn't lost any (Jn 6).

No free willed being is predestined by God to act in a certain way…..he did not create robots.
You can lose your salvation…..by disobedience.

I respond to this in "Oddly OSAS" Oddly OSAS

I believe that you are misinterpreting that portion of Rev 9….God’s will was foreknown by him “from the founding of the world”, but that is not a reference to creation……it is the founding of the world of mankind, beginning with the birth of Cain. It is God plan of salvation that was implemented the moment that the humans walked away from God in disobedience….it was the rescue of Adam’s children….those who proved worthy….unlike Cain.

We differ.

"Hell“ (hades) in the Bible, is not a place of torment…it is a place of rest. Hades corresponds to the Hebrew, “sheol”, which for a Jew, meant sleeping in death until the resurrection. Since there is no immortal soul, there is no need to invent places for them to go. (Eccl 9:5; 10) The dead are actually dead.

Gehenna OTOH, is also translated as “hell” in many Bibles…..but it isn’t a place of conscious torment either, but rather a place from which no one returns……a place of eternal death, the very opposite of eternal life.

I don't want to get further in to this here.

That sounds like nothing I have ever read in the Bible…..
It is true that the resurrected ones will not marry, but because it was God’s original purpose to “fill the earth”, there would have been a time when that requirement was fulfilled…what then?
Once the earth is comfortably ”filled”, God will likely withdraw procreation from the human race so that everlasting life can be enjoyed without overcrowding.
Who knows what God has planned for his vast universe….he may even make other planets habitable and populate them? He simply doesn’t say…..

Ok We differ.

He does…..the Bible is God’s instruction manual, and in it are all the instructions we need to live this life successfully, whilst God carefully brings us back to his first purpose in creating us here on this lovingly prepared planet…..everlasting life in paradise is to be enjoyed forever by all who love God, and who obey the teachings of his son. Creation shows us God’s love in many ways…..humans OTOH not so much…

K

 

[GracePeace]

Jesus as the Intercessor:

Greek word for intercessor: The word for intercession is ἐντυγχάνω (entygchanō), which means to intercede or plead on behalf of someone.
In Romans 8:34, Jesus is described as the one "who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession (ἐντυγχάνει) for us."
Jesus’ role: In His role as the intercessor, Jesus pleads on behalf of believers before the Father. His priestly work is emphasized in places like Hebrews 7:25, where it says, "He always lives to make intercession for them."

The Holy Spirit as the Intercessor:

Greek word for intercessor: The Holy Spirit is described as making intercession with στεναγμοῖς (stenagmois), which means groanings or sighs, in Romans 8:26:
"Likewise, the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession (ὑπερεντυγχάνει, hyperentygchanei) for us with groanings which cannot be uttered."
The Holy Spirit’s role in intercession involves praying on our behalf according to the will of God, especially when we don’t know what to pray for.
Greek and Hebrew Words for "Intercessor":
Greek:
ἐντυγχάνω (entygchanō) – to intercede or plead, seen in Romans 8:26, 34.
Παράκλητος (Paraklētos) – translated as “Helper” or “Comforter,” primarily used for the Holy Spirit (John 14:16, 26). It can also mean advocate or intercessor.
Hebrew:
פָּגַע (pāgaʿ) – meaning to encounter or intercede, as seen in Isaiah 53:12, where the Messiah "makes intercession for the transgressors."

The Holy Spirit is called Παράκλητος (Paraklētos), which means Helper or Comforter, and we are meant to receive παράκλησις (paraklēsis, meaning encouragement or comfort) from the Scriptures, which give us hope.
This would mean that both the Holy Spirit and the Scriptures work together perfectly to give us hope, since the Spirit inspired the Scriptures (2 Timothy 3:16).
It's no wonder, then, that the Spirit uses the Word of God to give us comfort and strengthen our hope in Christ.
I am comforted when I reflect on the assurance that Christ will never lose me, that I was foreknown and predestined (Romans 8:29-30), and that both the Holy Spirit and Christ intercede for me.

J.

An on topic answer--finally.

 

[Johann]

I'm not an "actual scholar", I heard Dr
Michael L Brown affirm it.

Nothing wrong using Strong's word studies.
Love Michael Brown and Bob Utley, matter of fact, I have watched ALL Brown's debates and Rabbi Tovia Singer.
One for Israel' ministry is also good.
J.

 

[GracePeace]

Nothing wrong using Strong's word studies.
Love Michael Brown and Bob Utley, matter of fact, I have watched ALL Brown's debates and Rabbi Tovia Singer.
One for Israel' ministry is also good.
J.

Yeah, it was Brown, speaking with another scholar, I believe, who said Strong's is fine for someone who is a layman, but isn't useful for scholars. It can be used to draw a circle, but it's not accurate enough to machine cylindrical engine parts.

 

[Johann]

Yeah, it was Brown, speaking with another scholar, I believe, who said Strong's is fine for someone who is a layman, but isn't useful for scholars. It can be used to draw a circle, but it's not accurate enough to machine cylindrical engine parts.

Problem is, I have e Sword, praise God for this software, but can't afford the paid modules.
What do you use?

 

[face2face]

The Holy Spirit is called Παράκλητος, and we are meant to obtain παρακλήσεως from the Scriptures so that we have hope.

Would this mean that we should get from the Scriptures the same as we get from the Spirit?

What do you think the Spirit it Grace?

 

[Lambano]

Romans 15:4 NASB:

For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

The translation of ὑπομονή as "perseverance" rather than "patience" and παράκλησις as "encouragement" rather than "comfort" gives a slightly different flavor to what Paul is saying.

Paraklesis (n)

1. a calling near, summons, (esp. for help)
2. supplication, entreaty
3. exhortation, admonition, encouragement
4. consolation, comfort, solace; that which affords comfort or refreshment
   1. thus of the Messianic salvation (so the Rabbis call the Messiah the consoler, the comforter)
5. persuasive discourse, stirring address
   1. instructive, admonitory, conciliatory, powerful hortatory discourse

Do the scriptures give encouragement, or do the scriptures exhort us to persevere? Or both?

 

[Johann]

Romans 15:4 NASB:

For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

The translation of ὑπομονή as "perseverance" rather than "patience" and παράκλησις as "encouragement" rather than "comfort" gives a slightly different flavor to what Paul is saying.

Paraklesis (n)

1. a calling near, summons, (esp. for help)
2. supplication, entreaty
3. exhortation, admonition, encouragement
4. consolation, comfort, solace; that which affords comfort or refreshment
   1. thus of the Messianic salvation (so the Rabbis call the Messiah the consoler, the comforter)
5. persuasive discourse, stirring address
   1. instructive, admonitory, conciliatory, powerful hortatory discourse

Do the scriptures give comfort, or do the scriptures exhort us to persevere? Or both?

Both.
J.

 

[GracePeace]

What do you think the Spirit it Grace?

Please clarify.

 

[GracePeace]

Romans 15:4 NASB:

For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

The translation of ὑπομονή as "perseverance" rather than "patience" and παράκλησις as "encouragement" rather than "comfort" gives a slightly different flavor to what Paul is saying.

Paraklesis (n)

1. a calling near, summons, (esp. for help)
2. supplication, entreaty
3. exhortation, admonition, encouragement
4. consolation, comfort, solace; that which affords comfort or refreshment
   1. thus of the Messianic salvation (so the Rabbis call the Messiah the consoler, the comforter)
5. persuasive discourse, stirring address
   1. instructive, admonitory, conciliatory, powerful hortatory discourse

Do the scriptures give encouragement, or do the scriptures exhort us to persevere? Or both?

Did you keep in mind that the end would be "hope"?

Other verses say hope is through proven character, so is the hope from something God will do or something we do or both?

 

[GracePeace]

Problem is, I have e Sword, praise God for this software, but can't afford the paid modules.
What do you use?

I actually bought Greek and Hebrew language grammars, but hadn't had peace, so hadn't made use of them ("What good is it to study these languages, to get fancy, know extreme specifics, when i have perfectly fine translations that should get me to understand and have peace? What if i die without peace?").