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what about faith and baptism?
Baptism is the initiation of the new and eternal covenant!
You cannot enter on you’re own or by “faith alone”!
Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Two birth are possible.
1) Natural bodily birth, that which has nothing to do with the born person’s will, thought, idea.
The First Natural bodily birth, MUST occur, before the 2nd birth is possible.
The First Natural bodily born person, MUST bodily DIE, before the 2nd birth can OCCUR.
2) The Second bodily birth, is a Spiritual birth, which is expressly Chosen by that persons will, heartful thought, confession to have....
and expressly Effected by the Power of God.
And BOTH births MUST OCCUR, before a man can ENTER into the Kingdom of God.
The first birthed person WHO “receives”...Gods Word of His Knowledge: by Hearing, by Reading the Word of God.....is given measures of Gods Gift of Faith.
WHEN that person.........BELIEVES........the Word of God he has received.........THAT PERSON “IS” DOING THE WORKS OF GOD.
That person can CONTINUE “DOING the WORKS of GOD”....
Ie........CONTINUE BELIEVING.........................OR NOT!
IF that person CONTINUES BELIEVING......to the DAY his natural body DIES...........HE SHALL THEN After His First Born Body DIES....
Be BORN AGAIN, by the POWER of God.
(That man has satisfied Gods requirement ....
A natural bodily birth, heartful belief, natural bodily death, a second bodily spiritual birth.......Now he CAN enter the Kingdom of God).
That has OCCURRED from the Beginning, and Continues TO THIS DAY.
Jesus was SENT TO EARTH, TO REVEAL “MORE of Gods KNOWLEDGE”.
Naturally Born men ... again CAN hear, read, receive the ADDITIONAL KNOWLEDGE of God.......and again CAN BELIEVE IT......OR NOT.
Nothing has changed.......hear, read, BELIEVE, or not.
The First natural BODY, DYING IN BELIEF, SHALL BE BORN AGAIN, BY the POWER OF GOD, and SHALL have satisfied Gods requirement to enter Gods Kingdom.
nothing about baptismal regeneration Jn 3:5 by or according to water and the spirit
Why in verse 22 did the go to the river (water) and baptized???
Why not go about preaching “accept Jesus as your personal lord and savior”??? (Baptist tradition not found in scripture)
Take a number, he washes the feet of prisoners and drug addicts.Still waiting for the Pope to wash my feet.
Take a number, he washes the feet of prisoners and drug addicts.
Before washing prisoners' feet, pope tells them God always forgives - Catholic Review
Gods PLAN, foretold, then manifested.
Isa 40: (LORD speaking to Isaiah)
[3] The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
Luke 1: (LORD speaking to Zachariah about his son John)
[76] And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;
John the Water Baptizer, goes into the wilderness, preparing the Way of the LORD...
Baptist tradition expressly found in Scripture.
Catholic is not found in Scripture.
Head sprinkling of water not found in Scripture.
Baby baptism not found in Scripture.
Gods PLAN, foretold, then manifested.
Isa 40: (LORD speaking to Isaiah)
[3] The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
Luke 1: (LORD speaking to Zachariah about his son John)
[76] And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;
John the Water Baptizer, goes into the wilderness, preparing the Way of the LORD...
Baptist tradition expressly found in Scripture.
Catholic is not found in Scripture.
Head sprinkling of water not found in Scripture.
Baby baptism not found in Scripture.
Infant Baptism is biblical!
Acts 2:38-39 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Promise is to you’re children! Vs 39
This promise made in ez 36
A promise from God is a sacred oath, and a sacred oath is a sacrament!
Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Jn 3:5 born again by water and the spirit.
Acts 16:15 entire household baptized! Does not say except infants!
Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness.
(It does not say accept infants!)
(Scripture does not say anywhere “do not baptized infants”)
Baptism is the Christian initiation sacrament of the new covenant for all men. Matt 28:19 Jn 1:29 Jn 3:16
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (It does not say except infants!) (but it does say “all”)!
Lk 1:10-11 all people including infants
Thee faith is required for baptism.
Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38
If it’s not possible (as in the case of infants) it’s not required.
But the promise of the parents to raise and educate the child in the faith is required, then the child is confirmed in thee faith at the age of reason.
Repentance is required for baptism. Acts 2:38
If there is no personal sin to repent of (as in the case of infants) then it’s not required.
For two thousand years the church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles has always baptized infants!
Augustine
It is this one Spirit who makes it possible for an infant to be regenerated . . . when that INFANT is brought to baptism; and it is through this one Spirit that the infant so presented is reborn. For it is not written, "Unless a man be born again by the will of his parents" or "by the faith of those presenting him or ministering to him," but, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit." The water, therefore, manifesting exteriorly the sacrament of grace, and the Spirit effecting interiorly the benefit of grace, both regenerate in one Christ that man who was generated in Adam (Letters 98:2 [A.D. 408]).
no response that mean you accept it all
Silence gives consent
With or without the Bible your always still going to have confusion. After all we live in a fallen world . We’d be a whole lot more confused without it don’t you think .Unity of faith!
“Bible alone” is the cos of division / confusion:
Not opposed to the Bible, but the doctrine of the “Bible alone” is the only authority, or the Bible and the teaching authority of Christ in His church founded on Peter and his successors! Matt 16:18-19 Matt 28:19 Lk 1:4 acts 1:8 acts 8:31 acts 2:42
Who is the arbiter of truth!
You can decide.
You can decide what is true.
You can decide what is truth.
You can decide right and wrong.
Not one of these are found in scripture!
Found in scripture!
Taught is found 79 times
Instructed is found 19 times
Instruction is found 33 times
Jn 14:6 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.
Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Acts 8:31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…
Matt 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
1 Tim 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
With or without the Bible your always still going to have confusion. After all we live in a fallen world . We’d be a whole lot more confused without it don’t you think .
Some things in scripture are rather straight forward other things in the bible.are not. You only have to look at the many interpretations of end times scenarios we have. The Holy Spirit often speaks though scripture to us individually in different ways. More so in edification and comfort. The book of Psalms be a perfect example of that. Yes the truth does set us free and the Holy Spirit shall lead us into all truth. But the word of God is a life time journey of study as is our relationship with our lord and saviour Jesus Christ.Not really how it is. Those truly in Christ Jesus as His disciples are not in the confusion that those who follow men and their traditions are. Lord Jesus said that if you stay in His Word you would know the Truth, and the Truth would set you free (meaning your heart and mind apart from this world).
Without a doubt those that keep men's traditions instead are confused because they left The Word of God, so God stopped showing them anything by The Holy Spirit and allowed them to go into confusion.
No I do not give consent for you to SPEAK FOR ME.
No I am not require to Read your posts or Respond to your posts.
Born of water is not being dipped or sprinkled with water.
Born of water is a humans Natural Birth from the Seed of man.
Born of the spirit is a humans Supernatural Spiritual Birth from the Seed of God.
Both a natural birth AND a spiritual birth is REQUIRED to enter the Kingdom Of God.
A spiritual birth DOES NOT OCCUR UNTIL AFTER THE FIRST BORN BODY DIES.
No I do not give consent for you to SPEAK FOR ME.
No I am not require to Read your posts or Respond to your posts.
Born of water is not being dipped or sprinkled with water.
Born of water is a humans Natural Birth from the Seed of man.
Born of the spirit is a humans Supernatural Spiritual Birth from the Seed of God.
Both a natural birth AND a spiritual birth is REQUIRED to enter the Kingdom Of God.
A spiritual birth DOES NOT OCCUR UNTIL AFTER THE FIRST BORN BODY DIES.
With or without the Bible your always still going to have confusion. After all we live in a fallen world . We’d be a whole lot more confused without it don’t you think .
Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Immersion is not found in scripture!