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Among the variations of administration between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant, the primary difference is the position one has in God. Before Christ is was “people of God.” Now, following Christ’s resurrection it is “children of God.” This is the difference between being with God, and being in God; which is a position reserved for those believing in His Son, possible only by the indwelling of the Spirit of God!
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“No Longer Servants”


What a contrast between the bondage of the law, and the liberty of son-ship! Yet how slowly souls are to grasp it. One has only to read Acts to see how slow the Jerusalem brethren were to grasp their full deliverance from the law and their new position in the risen Lord Jesus Christ. God bore with a mixed state of things until Jerusalem was destroyed.

“Son” implies position. Thus believers now are placed in full possession of all the title-deeds of their heavenly position, and are admitted also into the Father’s confidence, and know His mind and counsel through the Holy Spirit sent down from heaven.

Being sons, the Spirit is given, a privilege unknown until Christ was glorified. Thus all believers have received from the Father His great “Gift” (Eph 2:8). The Spirit indwells to instruct us as to our position and portion and lead our souls into the enjoyment of it all. He directs our thoughts and hearts to heaven, to the glory into which the Son had gone. Through His gracious ministry we know ourselves to be in the Lord Jesus there, blessed with all His blessings, in the enjoyment of His relationship to the Father (Jhn 14:20).

Our proper cry now is “Abba, Father.” This is very different from the cries of those who believed in previous dispensations. If the Psalms be examined, for instance, Jehovah will be found appealed to, to burn up their enemies, to drive them away like stubble; and the man is praised who would “dash their little ones against the stones” (Psa 137:9). Are these Christian sentiments? Assuredly not. Yet they are all inspired of God and proper in their time and place. The speakers were those who believed under the law; Christians are under grace, free from law (Gal 5:23), and know the Father as fully revealed in the Son (Col 2:9).

Let us rightly divide the Word of Truth. To go back to the book of Psalms for proper Christian experience is to lose the savor of grace and to breathe legalism; it is to climb down from heaven to earth. If the Psalms are really understood, they yield a harvest of blessing to the soul (as does the entirety of the OT); but if misunderstood and misapplied, as alas, is too often done, only loss (of encouragement—NC) can result.

Being sons and having the Spirit, we “are no longer servants.” “Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ” (Gal 4:6, 7). This is comparably higher than angels will ever know (1Pe 1:12). They are servants, ministers who do His pleasure (Heb 1:14), but they cannot say “Father,” nor join in redemption’s song (Heb 1:5). This is reserved for sinners, picked up by the sovereign grace of God.

Men sometimes have sons who are not heirs, because they do not choose to give them a portion. But there are none such in the family of God. All will share with the Only-begotten; when He takes up His rights and administers all things, we shall be with Him as sharers through grace.


—Wm Kelly (1821-1906)
 
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Among the variations of administration between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant, the primary difference is the position one has in God. Before Christ is was “people of God.” Now, following Christ’s resurrection it is “children of God.” This is the difference between being with God, and being in God; which is a position reserved for those believing in His Son, possible only by the indwelling of the Spirit of God!
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“No Longer Servants”


What a contrast between the bondage of the law, and the liberty of son-ship! Yet how slowly souls are to grasp it. One has only to read Acts to see how slow the Jerusalem brethren were to grasp their full deliverance from the law and their new position in the risen Lord Jesus Christ. God bore with a mixed state of things until Jerusalem was destroyed.

“Son” implies position. Thus believers now are placed in full possession of all the title-deeds of their heavenly position, and are admitted also into the Father’s confidence, and know His mind and counsel through the Holy Spirit sent down from heaven.

Being sons, the Spirit is given, a privilege unknown until Christ was glorified. Thus all believers have received from the Father His great “Gift” (Eph 2:8). The Spirit indwells to instruct us as to our position and portion and lead our souls into the enjoyment of it all. He directs our thoughts and hearts to heaven, to the glory into which the Son had gone. Through His gracious ministry we know ourselves to be in the Lord Jesus there, blessed with all His blessings, in the enjoyment of His relationship to the Father (Jhn 14:20).

Our proper cry now is “Abba, Father.” This is very different from the cries of those who believed in previous dispensations. If the Psalms be examined, for instance, Jehovah will be found appealed to, to burn up their enemies, to drive them away like stubble; and the man is praised who would “dash their little ones against the stones” (Psa 137:9). Are these Christian sentiments? Assuredly not. Yet they are all inspired of God and proper in their time and place. The speakers were those who believed under the law; Christians are under grace, free from law (Gal 5:23), and know the Father as fully revealed in the Son (Col 2:9).

Let us rightly divide the Word of Truth. To go back to the book of Psalms for proper Christian experience is to lose the savor of grace and to breathe legalism; it is to climb down from heaven to earth. If the Psalms are really understood, they yield a harvest of blessing to the soul (as does the entirety of the OT); but if misunderstood and misapplied, as alas, is too often done, only loss (of encouragement—NC) can result.

Being sons and having the Spirit, we “are no longer servants.” “Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ” (Gal 4:6, 7). This is comparably higher than angels will ever know (1Pe 1:12). They are servants, ministers who do His pleasure (Heb 1:14), but they cannot say “Father,” nor join in redemption’s song (Heb 1:5). This is reserved for sinners, picked up by the sovereign grace of God.

Men sometimes have sons who are not heirs, because they do not choose to give them a portion. But there are none such in the family of God. All will share with the Only-begotten; when He takes up His rights and administers all things, we shall be with Him as sharers through grace.


—Wm Kelly (1821-1906)
While I agree with the adoption through the new birth, the idea that sons aren't servants disagrees with the natural and the spiritual order. Jesus, the Son of God, the Lord of glory, was incarnated as a servant and taught service as the way to greatness in the kingdom of God.

33 Then He came to Capernaum. And when He was in the house He asked them, “What was it you disputed among yourselves on the road?” 34 But they kept silent, for on the road they had disputed among themselves who would be the greatest. 35 And He sat down, called the twelve, and said to them, “If anyone desires to be first, he shall be last of all and servant of all. Mark 9:33-35

In the book of Romans, Paul addressed the church with the call to service in chapter 12 and specifically to use the spiritual gifts granted in our salvation to serve one another and minister to the lost.
3 For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith. 4 For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, 5 so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another. 6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, let us prophesy in proportion to our faith; 7 or ministry, let us use it in our ministering; he who teaches, in teaching; 8 he who exhorts, in exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.

While we are not saved by works, we are saved to do good works in Him. Paul even gives us an entire passages about the judgment of our works as leading to eternal rewards.

9 Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. 2 Corinthians 5:9-10

9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. 10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. 11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
1 Corinthians 3:9-15
In context, this passage is about building the church and not simply about building our doctrine or preaching the gospel, but building up each other through our service to one another and to those outside as well.

7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. 9 And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart. 10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all, especially to those who are of the household of faith. Galatians 6:7-10

Our eternal rewards are not in this life, but we are called and set apart to serve the Lord. There are no second string Christians, no one is called to warm a bench.
 

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While I agree with the adoption through the new birth, the idea that sons aren't servants disagrees with the natural and the spiritual order. Jesus, the Son of God, the Lord of glory, was incarnated as a servant and taught service as the way to greatness in the kingdom of God.
It depends on what sense servant is used, as we will always be servants of God, but in the capacity of children. I agree on your point, but I see Gal 4:7 differentiating between "servant" and "son" in relation to the capacity of the Christian. It doesn't mean doing no more service but how the service is done. Before Christ, the service was done in the capacity as one who knew God but not as a child of His. In Christ, with the Spirit and new nature, which is "created after the image of Him that created it" (Col 3:10) one can now know more of the "mind of Christ:"

Example: John Gill - "Servant has not that interest in his master's affections as the son has; nor that liberty of access to him; nor is he fed and clothed as he is, or shares in the same privileges he does; nor is his obedience performed in the same free generous manner, from a principle of love and gratitude, but in a servile and mercenary way."
Galatians 4 Bible Commentary - John Gill’s Exposition of the Bible

Also look at 1Co 7:22.
 

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It depends on what sense servant is used, as we will always be servants of God, but in the capacity of children. I agree on your point, but I see Gal 4:7 differentiating between "servant" and "son" in relation to the capacity of the Christian. It doesn't mean doing no more service but how the service is done. Before Christ, the service was done in the capacity as one who knew God but not as a child of His. In Christ, with the Spirit and new nature, which is "created after the image of Him that created it" (Col 3:10) one can now know more of the "mind of Christ:"

Example: John Gill - "Servant has not that interest in his master's affections as the son has; nor that liberty of access to him; nor is he fed and clothed as he is, or shares in the same privileges he does; nor is his obedience performed in the same free generous manner, from a principle of love and gratitude, but in a servile and mercenary way."
Galatians 4 Bible Commentary - John Gill’s Exposition of the Bible

Also look at 1Co 7:22.
Well, before receiving Christ it was possible to do good works, but without His Spirit it is impossible to do His works.

Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. John 15:4

12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure. Philippians 2:12-13
 

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Not without baptism

believers are not Christians
But catechumens

Baptism!

God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 eph 2

Born again! Born from above!

'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who I has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by God thru baptism!



Effects of baptism!

Faith and baptism accomplish justification
With these effects:
born again Jn 3:5
New creation in Christ 2 cor 5:17
Passed from death to life 2 Tim 1:10
Out of the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light 1 pet 2:9
All sins (original and personal) washed away acts 22:16
Washed in Christ’s blood 1 pet 1:2
Member of Christ and His church
1 cor 12:13
Put on Christ gal 3:27
Died with Christ rom 6:3
Risen with Christ col 2:12
Sealed by God in the ark of salvation 1 pet 3:20-21
Sealed with the Holy Spirit eph 1:13
And none by “faith alone”!
 

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Not without baptism

believers are not Christians
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Baptism!

God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!
Hi, thanks for the reply and like much of your comments, but concerning baptism, there are two primary types, which are with water and with the Spirit of God. I see the ark a type of Christ, because it's the means by which they were saved; and the people in the ark representing all in Christ.

I believe the important issue to remember about "baptism" is that only Spirit baptism (born of the Spirit) is what saves; and water baptism is merely one of many outward manifestations of obedience of an inward rebirth of spirit and soul in God.
 
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Hi, thanks for the reply and like much of your comments, but concerning baptism, there are two primary types, which are with water and with the Spirit of God. I see the ark a type of Christ, because it's the means by which they were saved; and the people in the ark representing all in Christ.

I believe the important issue to remember about "baptism" is that only Spirit baptism (born of the Spirit) is what saves; and water baptism is merely one of many outward manifestations of obedience of an inward rebirth of spirit and soul in God.

there is only one baptism eph 4:5
Christian baptism “born again” water and the spirit Jn 3:5

born again baptismal regeneration
 

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there is only one baptism eph 4:5
Christian baptism “born again” water and the spirit Jn 3:5

born again baptismal regeneration
I've learned that there is a vast differentiation between the words "by" and "through" in Eph 2:8. Thus salvation is solely "by grace." Faith is merely the connecting element "through" which grace (salvation) is received.
 

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I've learned that there is a vast differentiation between the words "by" and "through" in Eph 2:8. Thus salvation is solely "by grace." Faith is merely the connecting element "through" which grace (salvation) is received.

are you saying we are saved the first moment we believe?
 

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The Bible actually disagrees with this. (Romans 3:12)

Actually you're wrong. Read the parable of the good Samaritan, Luke 10:30-37. Jesus told this parable as an example of doing "good works" for others. Remember, Samaritans were regarded as undesirables by the Jews, two of whom passed by the wounded man.
 
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Actually you're wrong. Read the parable of the good Samaritan, Luke 10:30-37. Jesus told this parable as an example of doing "good works" for others. Remember, Samaritans were regarded as undesirables by the Jews, two of whom passed by the wounded man.
No sir. The unsaved cannot do good works. That is what Scripture states. Don't ignore Scripture. Who was Luke 10 speaking to? The same that all parables are speaking to, the elect, the saved. The saved do good works through Christ.
 

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No sir. The unsaved cannot do good works. That is what Scripture states. Don't ignore Scripture. Who was Luke 10 speaking to? The same that all parables are speaking to, the elect, the saved. The saved do good works through Christ.

You're actually saying that Jesus' parables "are speaking to, the elect, the saved". a) There were no saved people before Christ's resurrection. b) How is what the Samaritan did not a "good work" especially since the parable was told by Jesus to a Jewish expert in the law.

"Now an expert in religious law stood up to test Jesus, saying, “Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Luke 10:25

Beyond this, do you actually believe that not a single person could do "good works" prior to Jesus' crucifixion? Read the Old Testament and the Gospels more carefully. Two examples to start you off: Noah, Abraham (a.k.a Abram). And there were many others.

Genesis 6:9, "Noah was a godly man; he was blameless among his contemporaries. He walked with God."

Genesis 15:6, "Abram believed the Lord, and the Lord credited it as righteousness to him." and Romans 4:3, "For what does the scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
 
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