“Once For All”

[Behold]

No, it's not just speaking to unsaved Hebrews...

Net Chaplin is trying to prove that verses in the Book Of Hebrews, where the Apostle is trying to get them to stop rejecting their Messiah, by "willfully sinning" the unparndonable sin of Christ rejection..............NetChap, is trying to prove that this is the born again rejecting their messiah...

So, i showed him the MIRROR Verse, in the ACTS of the Apostles, in Acts 28:28, where we see that PAUL is the apostle, and he is dealing with HEBREWS, who are "trodding underfoot" the blood of Jesus. = "willfully sinning" the sin of Rejecting Christ.

So, Netchap, never took the time to look at Acts 28:28, because He has been led to believe that a Christian will never pay for Netflix, and watch something that has something SEXUAL in it, that they should not be trying to watch.

Paul teaches that we are not to use our eternal security for an "occasion to the FLESH"........and that means, .. dont choose to enjoy some carnality.

 

[Dash RipRock]

Paul teaches that we are not to use our eternal security for an "occasion to the FLESH"........and that means, .. dont choose to enjoy some carnality.

And yet the eternal security folks love to make the false claim "one cannot lose their salvation" along with the false claim "all our future sins have already been forgiven" which causes others to stumble leading them to believe one can live in sin and still be saved.

By believing the false eternal security folks and going back to their sin these folks disqualify themselves from salvation by going back to living after the flesh where they become reprobate and unteachable never to return to the Lord again.

There's a special place in hell for the eternal security folks who are tares, servants of satan

 

[Behold]

the false claim "all our future sins have already been forgiven" which causes others to stumble

The word "eternal" has a significant meaning.....it means forever......never ending.

So, "Jesus is the one time ETENRAL SACRIFICE for SIN"....

This means that Jesus's Sacrifice for sin......does not end, with the day you were saved, but it continue to be the "ETERNAL" sacrifice for sin, for eternity.

Now, self righteous people (Legalists) who are trying to keep themselves saved because they have no real faith in Christ, which is..

A.) "Jesus who saved me, keeps me saved...........not me"...

= So, the self righteous, who has no real faith in Christ, has no actual understanding of God's Grace, as Jesus's "one time ETERNAL sacrifice for sin".

 

[Dash RipRock]

The word "eternal" has a significant meaning.....it means forever......never ending.

And it's only applicable to those abiding in Christ.

It's NOT applicable to those that turn away from the Lord going back to their sin.

So let's hear you make a case for living in sin and still be saved which is what the eternal security folks actually teach when they claim "one can never lose their salvation"

Romans 6:1,2 - What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid.

Clearly, grace does not cover those living in sin, so when one turns their back on the Lord to go do sin, they are no longer covered by God's grace. So it is very possible for someone to lose their salvation

One must confess and forsake their sin to be back in a right relationship with the Lord once more

 

[Netchaplain]

YOur verse is talking to unsaved, HEBREWS........and you are not one of those.


So...Your last 250 sins,.. you claim were ALL unintentional?
I claim that if you claim that.. then you need to repent of your willful lying.

Your not a Christian if you still sin willfully. Paul do not want to sin after he converted (Ro 7:15-20). Some people are mistaken, thinking Paul was not saved in Romans 7, or he was speaking about his life before rebirth. A sinner will not have a desire for God like he showed in Romans 7.

 

[Debp]

There's a special place in hell for the eternal security folks who are tares, servants of satan

Wow...what unbelievably harsh words. So I've been born again since 1972, seeking to walk with the Lord daily....but because I believe in Eternal Security, you condemn me to hell?!!!

This is why I usually avoid the theology threads.

@Sister-n-Christ @marks

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Wow...what unbelievably harsh words. So I've been born again since 1972, seeking to walk with the Lord daily....but because I believe in Eternal Security, you condemn me to hell?!!!

This is why I usually avoid the theology threads.

@Sister-n-Christ @marks

Isn't he violating forum rules there?

Think about this. Jesus,Yeshua, preached eternal security,salvation,in him.
Who is served by convincing the Lambs of Yeshua they aren't eternally his?

This is honest to God's truth. Satan has disciples too.

 

[David Lamb]

And yet the eternal security folks love to make the false claim "one cannot lose their salvation" along with the false claim "all our future sins have already been forgiven" which causes others to stumble leading them to believe one can live in sin and still be saved.

By believing the false eternal security folks and going back to their sin these folks disqualify themselves from salvation by going back to living after the flesh where they become reprobate and unteachable never to return to the Lord again.

There's a special place in hell for the eternal security folks who are tares, servants of satan

Yet Jesus said:

“"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.” (Joh 6:37 NKJV)

To say that one who has been truly saved can then be lost again is saying that God the Father gave that sinner to God the Son, and then took him back, or allowed him to be taken back.

Where in the bible do you read that there is a special place in hell for the eternal security folks? (I am not talking about people who say that they are Christians, but carry on living their lives exactly as before, and excuse themselves by claiming eternal security.)

 

[Behold]

Your not a Christian if you still sin willfully.

You're not an honest Christian, if you pretend that all the sins you have confessed since you are born again, were "accidents" that you didnt choose.

That's on you.

 

[marks]

Wow...what unbelievably harsh words. So I've been born again since 1972, seeking to walk with the Lord daily....but because I believe in Eternal Security, you condemn me to hell?!!!

This is why I usually avoid the theology threads.

@Sister-n-Christ @marks

I don't pay attention to this fellow's posts. The anger and bitterness show there is little maturity there. Yes, very harsh words! There is some good discussion on theology threads sometimes, and I regret that those with nothing more than their vitriol to add polute these threads with their uninformed and misapplied words.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Yet Jesus said:

“"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.” (Joh 6:37 NKJV)

To say that one who has been truly saved can then be lost again is saying that God the Father gave that sinner to God the Son, and then took him back, or allowed him to be taken back.

Where in the bible do you read that there is a special place in hell for the eternal security folks? (I am not talking about people who say that they are Christians, but carry on living their lives exactly as before, and excuse themselves by claiming eternal security.)

This is a simple thing.

John said of Jesus, Behold the Lamb of God, that carries away the sin of the world. So . . . what sin was not carried away? If you believe the simple sayings of the Bible, you will realize Jesus has dealt with our sins, all of them, of all time. The entire sin of the world is gone.

But being forgiven of sin isn't enough, you must be born again.

And being born again, just like your natural birth, you cannot "unbirth" yourself.

Much love!

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

You're not an honest Christian, if you pretend that all the sins you have confessed since you are born again, were "accidents" that you didnt choose.

That's on you.

1 John 3:4-10​

Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil

 

[Behold]

1 John 3:4-10​

Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.

A.) The born again........are : "not under the Law.......but under Grace"

Because........

"Christ has redeemed (the born again) from the CURSE of the Law"...

What is the curse of the Law?

1.) Its the Law (and 10 commandments) that define sin as sin, and you as a sinner.....and that is a curse to humanity.

2.) ""The power of sin is the law, and the law is the power of sin", ....and that means, that when you are under the law, it causes your sin nature to enflame and become WORSE the more you try to stop sinning.

So, the solution, is that Jesus has "redeemed the born again..From the Curse of the Law""".... = by fulfilling the Law for us......which frees us for eternity from being under the Law's dominion.
The born again eternally exist in The Kingdom of God.......("seated in heavenly places in Christ") and there is no sin found there.


This means that the Law can never again define a Born again Christian as a sinner or their deeds as SIN". = Because....>>The born again...>>"are not under the LAW.......but under Grace".

What does it mean to be "under Grace"?

Its means this.....>"where there is no Law, there is no SIN...(Transgression).""

A.) There is no sin found "in CHrist" and every born again Christian is : "IN Christ"

AA.) There is no sin found in GOD.....and every born again Christian is "One with God".

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

A.) The born again........are : "not under the Law.......but under Grace"

Because........

"Christ has redeemed (the born again) from the CURSE of the Law"...

What is the curse of the Law?

1.) Its the Law (and 10 commandments) that define sin as sin, and you as a sinner.....and that is a curse to humanity.

2.) ""The power of sin is the law, and the law is the power of sin", ....and that means, that when you are under the law, it causes your sin nature to enflame and become WORSE the more you try to stop sinning.

So, the solution, is that Jesus has "redeemed the born again..From the Curse of the Law""".... = by fulfilling the Law for us......which frees us for eternity from being under the Law's dominion.
The born again eternally exist in The Kingdom of God.......("seated in heavenly places in Christ") and there is no sin found there.


This means that the Law can never again define a Born again Christian as a sinner or their deeds as SIN". = Because....>>The born again...>>"are not under the LAW.......but under Grace".

What does it mean to be "under Grace"?

Its means this.....>"where there is no Law, there is no SIN...(Transgression).""

A.) There is no sin found "in CHrist" and every born again Christian is : "IN Christ"

AA.) There is no sin found in GOD.....and every born again Christian is "One with God".

You don't sin?
The problem with those who think the law no longer exists is,they're wrong.

And you just contradicted yourself in your post to Netchaplain.

 

[marks]

You don't sin?
The problem with those who think the law no longer exists is,they're wrong.

The Law is still there, only we are not accountable to the Law. We are accountable directly to Jesus. And do you know, what He wants of us far exceeds the demands of the Law.

The Spirit guides us with a finesse the Law cannot.

Just like a marriage, when your spouse dies, the marraige is over. We've died to the Law to be wed to Christ. Going back to the Law is like going back to your first husband.

Romans 7:1-6 KJV
1) Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2) For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3) So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4) Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5) For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6) But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

And the reality is that the Law provokes our flesh, which responds with sin. Being delivered from the Law, we aren't subject to that dynamic any longer. Now we serve Jesus directly, and that doesn't provoke the flesh, only the spirit.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Great so we can all go back to living in sin.

Why would you want to do that? I don't understand. Could you expain to me how being forgiven makes you want to sin more?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Thanks for the support! Of course, this does not include "willful" sins (Heb 10:26).

For the Christian, what sins are not willful? Doesn't the idea of a Christian unwillfully committing a sin go against the teaching from Scripture that we've been freed from the power of sin? So that there is no sin you cannot choose to not commit, isn't that so?

Much love!

 

[Behold]

You don't sin?

Paul explains it this way.. to the born again.

"Use not your liberty (In Christ) (eternal security) for an occasion to the flesh".

See that?
That means......now that you have been made free from sin, having become "the righteousness of God in Christ", because you have received God's Free "Gift of Rightousness", and are no longer "under the law, but under Grace".....

And now that Romans 4:8 and 2 Corn 5:19 teach the born again that God will not ever again charge the born again with a sin.........

Then do not go out and enjoy some carnal pleasure because you understand all this.....

And if you are reading this, Reader, and its all new to you, then you have not been Holy Spirit instructed to understand your Salvation, and that means you have not "worked it out"...

= (understood it correctly). yet.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Thanks for the support! Of course, this does not include "willful" sins (Heb 10:26).

Um, he's not supportive of your pov. Keep reading.

 

[Netchaplain]

You're not an honest Christian, if you pretend that all the sins you have confessed since you are born again, were "accidents" that you didnt choose.

That's on you.

Not "accidents" but unintentional, i.e. impulsive sins like jealousy, wrath, some thing said wrongfully, etc.; things that were not my intention.