14 IRRESOLVABLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH RESULT FROM A LITERAL RICH MAN AND LAZARUS

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PS95

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Adam became a "living soul" when God breathed His Breath into him.

Count to THREE = " You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength."
Yep, nephesh (soul) in Hebrew has more than one meaning. Cults deliberately ignore that.

As a JW kid I was taught that our soul is just our body and spirit is just our breath.
I remember wondering why Jesus gave God His breath?
Did God need His breath back? Why?
I was not allowed to question that or anything though. that would be as if I questioned God Himself. ugh

Now, I wonder what exactly IS the "impersonal life-force of Michael" that God supposedly put into "Mary's ovum."and why did Michael go out of existence with out it.. Did Michael die? Then, when Jesus was on the cross- that life-force from Michael left Him and went back to heaven so that Michael could be re-created by God. Jesus? Well, he is dead forever.
Something just always seemed wrong there too.
So this life-force of Michael's... it doesn't sound like just breath to me. How could it be impersonal if it was Michael's, and then Jesus needed it and Michael needed it back to be re-created. It sounds pretty personal to me. Sort of like a soul or spirit?

JWs do not like to talk about that teaching. It makes them very uneasy. They'll even say you are lying! I have it all documented in their own magazines and books. So who is the liar?
Same with Romans ch 6- they run when you turn on the light
Such a tangled web we weave when we first practice to deceive.
 

amigo de christo

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YE, body.
YOUR sins, Body AND Soul.

Body commits Sin.
Souls commit Sin
Forgiven Sin of Body, of Soul. Covered.
Unforgiven Sin of Body…Body shall Die in its Sin.
Unforgiven Sin of Soul… Soul shall In its Sin.
THEN i suggest we tell this generation , FLEE any shape or form of interfaith .
Do be encouraged my friend .
 

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I see lots of false teaching in this thread which is heavily influenced by false Seventh-Day Adventist doctrine, so I will share what I believe to be the truth of the matter.

Human beings consist of body, soul and spirit.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Yes, a whole human can be referred to as a soul, but that should not be confused with the fact that we are "wholly" made up of "spirit and soul and body". as Paul taught. So, while we can be referred to as souls, we also have a soul. I've noticed that there are many people on this site who don't accept certain things that Paul taught and this seems to be yet another one.

Scripture makes it quite clear that people have consciousness after they die, as evidenced by passages like Luke 16:19-31 and Revelation 6:9-11 as well as the passages which give the account of Jesus's transfiguration where He talked to Moses and Elijah. Some people have chosen to twist those scriptures or ignore them, to their shame.

There is a debate about whether Luke 16:19-31 is a parable or not. It shouldn't be a debate. Since when do parables contain references to real people and real places? Since never. That alone shows that it is not a parable. But, let's say that it was a parable. Would that change the fact that Jesus is giving the impression that people are conscious in hell? No. He gave that impression regardless of whether it's a parable or not. So, why would He give that impression if it isn't the case that people have consciousness there? That makes no sense. He would not do that. And, again, how did Jesus talk to Moses and Elijah if there is no consciousness after physical death? Those who believe in soul sleep are cherry pickers who ignore scriptures like these while misinterpreting their cherry picked verses that contradict these other verses.

I'll address one verse they commonly use for now (Ecclesiastes 9:5) and show how they misinterpret it.

Ecclesiastes 9:3 This is the evil in everything that happens under the sun: The same destiny overtakes all. The hearts of people, moreover, are full of evil and there is madness in their hearts while they live, and afterward they join the dead.4 Anyone who is among the living has hope—even a live dog is better off than a dead lion! 5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten. 6 Their love, their hate and their jealousy have long since vanished; never again will they have a part in anything that happens under the sun.

So, those who believe in the false doctrine of soul sleep see the statement "the dead know nothing" and draw conclusions from it without even looking at the context. Context is very important, so to ignore the context of scripture is foolish. So, what is the context here? That people know nothing and have no consciousness after they die? No, not at all. The context is that once people are dead they no longer know or experience the things they experienced "under the sun", which refers to what they experience on earth, under the sun, before they die. Once a person dies they no longer know/experience anything on the earth because their life on earth is over. That's all this means. It does not mean they have no consciousness after no longer being under the sun. Nowhere does this passage indicate such a thing.

Notice what it says in verse 6 above. That verse explains what verse 5 is about. The "nothing" that the dead no longer know is "their love, their hate and their jealousy" that they had during their lives under the sun. They don't nkow those things anymore because they are dead and will no longer experience life on earth under the sun. That's all that means. Them knowing nothing is not a comment on their state of consciousness after death, but rather that they no longer have physical/bodily life and can no longer do the things that they did when they were physically alive.
Nice @Spiritual Israelite , add this though...

Ecclesiastes 9:3 This is the evil in everything that happens under the sun: The same destiny overtakes all. The hearts of people, moreover, are full of evil and there is madness in their hearts while they live, and afterward they join the dead.4 Anyone who is among the living has hope—even a live dog is better off than a dead lion! 5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten. 6 Their love, their hate and their jealousy have long since vanished; never again will they have a part in anything that happens under the sun.

According to JWs and SDA- if they believe this passage that way- then once they die they have NO FURTHER REWARD.
They conveniently ignore that. And yet, they certainly do not think that they have no further reward after death.
And IDK about SDA's on this but JWs insist that Jehovah keeps you in His memory. Nope even your name is forgotten.
And I'm fairly certain that JWs still plan on 1000 years under the sun... under (Michael's) rule planting gardens, and having children..
 

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What mystifies men, is already Accounted done regarding God.
You sure might wanna try and explain that one my friend .
But always remember this too ,
Compare what JESUS said , paul and others said
concering the dire need to BELIEVE ON JESUS and what would occur to those who failed to do so .
Now be prepared to hear a MAJOR stark difference From what we been hearing today .
People can harp on me all day if they so desire , NOT saying you do , But remember this well .
I NEVER ONCE gave anyone false hope . Not on any site or wherever i am .
I have Sounded out THE DIRE NEED TO REPENT to BELEIVE ON JESUS CHRIST
and have reminded all of that dire necessity and the dire result of those who failed to do so .
BUT SO DID JESUS and SO did all them apostels . And i challenge us all
to go and examine if what i just said was true or false . BE prepared
you will see VERY grave warnings against those who failed to repent to believe on CHRIST
and you will only hear this one response to HOW one can be saved , YA MUST BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
Now i challenge all to PROVE ME WRONG about this . AND i have also not shunned to declare
THAT JESUS dont agree with , accept in any way , ANY SIN .
AGAIN show me my error . Not saying you think i am false , but i do see a danger in even you
YOU GOTS to get away from anyone who has anything to do with this interfaith calling .
Deadly it is and we want nothing to do with it .
 

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You sure might wanna try and explain that one my friend .
Examples.

Man waits to SEE…what his new body will look like.


Man waits to SEE…what Heaven on Earth wiil look like.

Man waits to SEE…what will be, God already has the Records, the Knowing, the Preparation.

God Bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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They aren't. "But the rest of the dead (the wicked) lived not again until the thousand years were finished."
Doesn't that imply that they did live again after the thousand years? And if so, then the original question remains - why resurrect someone just so that you can condemn them to die again?
"Souls under the altar crying out" and "Abel's blood crieth out" are symbolic expressions. Since the "life" is in the "blood" what these expressions means is that when God sees unjust bloodshed, His justice cries out within him for vengeance.

White and red corpuscles on the ground don't have vocal cords and "disembodied souls" neither have vocal cords or hang around under altars because there's no such thing as a "disembodied soul". Souls cease to exist at death.
Unsure of all that. Revelation certainly seems to be figurative. But the New Testament makes 3 references to a non-canonical work that doesn't seem to frame it figuratively.