22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

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Not deceived.




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[3] And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
[4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
[5] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
[6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
[7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth,
Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

What nations has Satan been deceiving? Rev 20:3
What nations shall Satan not be deceiving for 1,000 yrs? Rev 20:3
What nations shall Satan again deceive after 1,000 yrs? Rev 20: 7-8

It is truly hard to take the Premil portrayal of the new earth serious. Premil presents a new earth and a future kingdom filled with feigned worship from a kingdom full of phonies. If it is not spontaneous and sincere then it is a religious circus. Premil has Jesus hoodwinked thinking He has global submission, when in fact it is all forced and pretend. You would imagine that the Son of God, the king of glory would have some type of inkling of these millennial deceivers. So much for deception being lifted! In the Premil scheme you have Christ deceived by these phony religious devotees travelling to Jerusalem every yr to act out their forced worship or else you have Him willingly presiding over a prolonged sham. Neither of these lines up with Scripture.

In the Premil paradigm, we have the amazing spectacle of the massed ranks of the perfected saints sitting in the bleachers watching the feigned worship of the millennial wicked mortals coupled with the pointless slaughter of numerous innocent animals by the religious Jews with the reintroduction of the Judaic ceremonial sacrifices. This can only be described as an unprecedented unadulterated religious farce.

It is beyond credible reality and biblical authority to suggest that these millennial unregenerate mortals have the ability to abide the presence of the glorified Christ for over a thousand years never mind resist His persuasive overtures for a thousand years as our Saviour sits resplendent in all His eternal unveiled glory

These millennial actors inherit a new earth supposedly ruled by Christ and the saints in righteousness with a rod of iron. They are confronted at every turn with the myriads of glorified redeemed that have populated the earth in their perfect bodies and are walking proof of the ongoing reality and truth of the reigning Christ yet these millennial rebels choose to walk in their rebellion.

These millennial mortals must qualify to be the most belligerent, stiff-necked, hard-nosed, stubborn, obstinate company of humans ever to grace this earth. They are way more intransigent than the Pharisees that only had 3 ½ years of resisting the person and ministry in his mortal body. For 1,000 years they refuse to receive the glorified Christ sitting in all His eternal majesty. How could they resist Him? How could they deny His authenticity?

As for the poor lambs, goats and calves that have been lulled into a false sense of peace in this kingdom of Aquarius fellowshipping with leopards, bears and lions, they should be extremely vigilant and very nervous, looking over their backs as often as they can at the sound of every truck, because they will soon be dragged off to the Zadokic abattoir to be butchered in order to cleanse the sin of Israel’s iniquity because the blood of Christ was not enough to meet that great need.

These millennial charlatans change in a twinkling of an eye when Satan is released at the end. They are obviously agents of Satan that have overtaken the earth and are simply waiting for their master to lead them into battle in the final end-time war against righteousness and truth. Their allegiance is clear. Their sinful corrupt natures (like ours) came at birth not when Satan raises his ugly head. The millennium is infested with all the same blight of corruption as we endure now - death, sin and wickedness. So much for the Premil boast that these millennial half-breeds will learn war no more??? What are they fighting with? Water pistols and water balloons?

As for your hope of the removal of the bondage of corruption (namely the end of sin, death and decay), the Premil millennium is more of the same: sweat, death, and decay continue unabated and actually prospers.
 

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The answers to your questions above are found in my post #2554 above, that was posted "30 minutes" before your response here

Get real. No interest to read your long convoluted post.
The answers to my questions were not difficult.

What nations has Satan been deceiving? Rev 20:3
...Every nation of this world.

What nations shall Satan not be deceiving for 1,000 yrs? Rev 20:3
...Every nation of this world.

What nations shall Satan again deceive after 1,000 yrs?
...Every nations of this world.
 

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Get real. No interest to read your long convoluted post.
The answers to my questions were not difficult.

What nations has Satan been deceiving? Rev 20:3
...Every nation of this world.

What nations shall Satan not be deceiving for 1,000 yrs? Rev 20:3
...Every nation of this world.

What nations shall Satan again deceive after 1,000 yrs?
...Every nations of this world.
My response to your questions isn't difficult, truth you don't want to accept or acknowledge

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle!

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations
which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
 
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It is truly hard to take the Premil portrayal of the new earth serious. Premil presents a new earth and a future kingdom filled with feigned worship from a kingdom full of phonies.

LOL...You should get your lies in order before spouting.
The new heavens and new earth are revealed AFTER Jesus’ millennial reign ...
And no, Jesus’ kingdom is not filled with phonies...
 

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Get real. No interest to read your long convoluted post.
The answers to my questions were not difficult.

What nations has Satan been deceiving? Rev 20:3
...Every nation of this world.

What nations shall Satan not be deceiving for 1,000 yrs? Rev 20:3
...Every nation of this world.

What nations shall Satan again deceive after 1,000 yrs?
...Every nations of this world.

Scripture often makes broad general sweeping statements. When Scripture tells us that the Gentiles would no longer be deceived it does not mean every single one of them, or even most of them, would be saved, just that the ignorance would be finally lifted from the darkened Gentiles.

Isaiah 25:7-9 says, he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it. And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.”

Does that mean all Gentiles will be enlightened? Of course not. It is a general statement like Revelation 20.

Zacharias the father of John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Ghost in Luke 1:67-80 and prophesied: “Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; The oath which he sware to our father Abraham, That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life … Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us, To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace. And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.”

Does that mean all Gentiles will be enlightened? Of course not. It is a general statement like Revelation 20.

Acts 2:17: “And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.”

Does that mean all Gentiles will be enlightened? Of course not. It is a general statement like Revelation 20.

Acts 13:46–48: “Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles (ethnos). For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles (ethnos), that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. And when the Gentiles (ethnos) heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.”

Did this mean the deception that blinded the Gentiles would be finally be lifted from all the darkened Gentiles?

Acts 14:16 confirms that God in times past (talking about before the cross) suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.”

Did this mean every Gentile in the Old Testament time was unsaved?

Acts 17:30 says, the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent.”

Did this mean every Gentile in the Old Testament time was unsaved?

Paul received his great commission to go onto the Gentiles with the Gospel during his conversion experience on the road to Damascus. The Lord said unto him in Acts 26:17-18: Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.”

Did this mean the deception that blinded the Gentiles would be finally be lifted from all the darkened Gentiles?

Acts 26:23 declares, “Christ should suffer, and that He should be the first resurrection from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles (ethnos)."

Does that mean all Gentiles will be enlightened? Of course not. It is a general statement like Revelation 20.

Ephesians 2:11-13 confirms this, saying, “ye being in time past Gentiles (ethnos) in the flesh, who are called uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.”

Did this mean every Gentile in the Old Testament time was unsaved? Does that mean all Gentiles will be enlightened in this NT era? Of course not. It is a general statement like Revelation 20.
 

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LOL...You should get your lies in order before spouting.
The new heavens and new earth are revealed AFTER Jesus’ millennial reign ...
And no, Jesus’ kingdom is not filled with phonies...

You advocate an opinion about Revelation 20 that carries zero corroboration elsewhere in Scripture. You've nothing to support your beliefs on that chapter.

Your avoidance of the content of each post is telling.
 

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My response to your questions aren't difficult, truth you don't want to accept or acknowledge


I asked you three questions.
You referred me to an earlier post you had made.
Your earlier post did not answer my 3 questions.
Now you repost your long post AS IF I want to sift there that. I don’t.

You have said NO MORTALS on Earth during the millennial reign.
Apparently you think the NATIONS mentioned twice in rev 20...are lands with no people.
 

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These millennial charlatans change in a twinkling of an eye when Satan is released at the end. They are obviously agents of Satan that have overtaken the earth and are simply waiting for their master to lead them into battle in the final end-time war against righteousness and truth. Their allegiance is clear. Their sinful corrupt natures (like ours) came at birth not when Satan raises his ugly head. The millennium is infested with all the same blight of corruption as we endure now - death, sin and wickedness. So much for the Premil boast that these millennial half-breeds will learn war no more??? What are they fighting with? Water pistols and water balloons?
This sort of rant, is unhelpful and does not paint the true picture.
We do know how easily people can fall for Satans wiles, but you make all of the Millennium to be unpleasant, but Satan won't be able to deceive for all of the thousand years.
Why you must do that, I can see no valid reason. Your teachings will be Judged; James 3:1

The Millennium will be a wonderful time of peace and prosperity. Psalms 47:1-9, Psalms 93:1-5, Isaiah 11:6-9, Isaiah 33:20-24, Isaiah 65:17-25, Micah 4:1-8, Micah 5:4-5, Zechariah 14:16-21

Only for a little season, will Satan be released; then the final separation be made of those who will receive Eternal life and all the rest; annihilation.
 

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Scripture often makes broad general sweeping statements. When Scripture tells us that the Gentiles would no longer be deceived it does not mean every single one of them, or even most of them, would be saved, just that the ignorance would be finally lifted from the darkened Gentiles.

If this is your response to the nations mentioned in Rev 20...it’s a fail.
 

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I asked you three questions.
You referred me to an earlier post you had made.
Your earlier post did not answer my 3 questions.
Now you repost your long post AS IF I want to sift there that. I don’t.

You have said NO MORTALS on Earth during the millennial reign.
Apparently you think the NATIONS mentioned twice in rev 20...are lands with no people.
You have been clearly shown, no Kingdom or Mortal humans exist in a literal 1,000 year Kingdom on this earth in Revelation 20:1-6

You have been shown that (Thousand Years) is not literal, and represents those in the spiritual realm prior to the second coming

You have been shown that Satan is "Presently Bound" from deceiving the nations and "Deceive The Nations" is specifically to gather the nations to battle, that takes place at the end of the tribulation, prior to the second coming

A 1,000 year Kingdom on this earth with Mortal humans present, is a fabricated fairy tale of man, found no place in scripture, no place
 
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If this is your response to the nations mentioned in Rev 20...it’s a fail.

Once again, you avoid every Scripture and argument presented, and just present your faulty opinion as your evidence. It is the biblical facts that constantly expose (and forbid) your private non-corroborative interpretation.

You and Randy K seem to sing from the same hymn sheet.
 

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This sort of rant, is unhelpful and does not paint the true picture.
We do know how easily people can fall for Satans wiles, but you make all of the Millennium to be unpleasant, but Satan won't be able to deceive for all of the thousand years.
Why you must do that, I can see no valid reason. Your teachings will be Judged; James 3:1

The Millennium will be a wonderful time of peace and prosperity. Psalms 47:1-9, Psalms 93:1-5, Isaiah 11:6-9, Isaiah 33:20-24, Isaiah 65:17-25, Micah 4:1-8, Micah 5:4-5, Zechariah 14:16-21

Only for a little season, will Satan be released; then the final separation be made of those who will receive Eternal life and all the rest; annihilation.

First of all, it will never happen.

Secondly, think about it: do you really believe that Satan is going to be able to turn the hearts of the millennial kingdom at his mere appearance? The so-called future Premil millennium of peace, prosperity and plenty descends into an unmitigated farce at the end in tears, turmoil, and tragedy. Anarchy, revolt and mayhem break out throughout the nations at the very appearance of Satan. The millennial kingdom crumbles apart as the millennial inhabitants turn from obeying Christ en-masse to following Lucifer.

What are you talking about? The Premil millennium is the most self-deceived era human creation has ever known. Despite Christ ruling in unprecedented power and glory with a “rod of iron” for a thousand yrs over the nations with supposed wholesale submission, Satan is able to pull the rug from under Christ at the drop of a hat and woo the millennial inheritors to himself. I mean: they are supposedly watching Jesus reign in perfect righteousness and unchallenged glory with the glorified saints. What a company of messed up individuals. What a turn-around! This is the biggest evangelistic bust in history ... and all on Christ's watch. So much for the power of the rod of iron!!!
 

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You advocate an opinion about Revelation 20 that carries zero corroboration elsewhere in Scripture. You've nothing to support your beliefs on that chapter.

I was specifically speaking of the nations mentioned in Rev 20...
Are you really in need of instruction of WHAT a Nation is?

Nations is only mentioned some 600+ times in Scripture.

Your avoidance of the content of each post is telling.

It should be crystal clear...Not interested in your gobbledygook posts.
 

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Satan won't be able to deceive for all of the thousand years.

The Millennium will be a wonderful time of peace and prosperity. Psalms 47:1-9, Psalms 93:1-5, Isaiah 11:6-9, Isaiah 33:20-24, Isaiah 65:17-25, Micah 4:1-8, Micah 5:4-5, Zechariah 14:16-21

Only for a little season, will Satan be released; then the final separation be made of those who will receive Eternal life and all the rest; annihilation.
Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle!

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations
which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
 

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Once again, you avoid every Scripture and argument presented, and just present your faulty opinion as your evidence. It is the biblical facts that constantly expose (and forbid) your private non-corroborative interpretation.

You and Randy K seem to sing from the same hymn sheet.

Funny.
I don’t have a hymn sheet and have no idea if Randy has one or not.
 

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I was specifically speaking of the nations mentioned in Rev 20...
Are you really in need of instruction of WHAT a Nation is?

Nations is only mentioned some 600+ times in Scripture.



It should be crystal clear...Not interested in your gobbledygook posts.

Stop avoiding the evidence.

Scripture often makes broad general sweeping statements. When Scripture tells us that the Gentiles would no longer be deceived it does not mean every single one of them, or even most of them, would be saved, just that the ignorance would be finally lifted from the darkened Gentiles.

Isaiah 25:7-9 says, he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it. And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.”

Does that mean all Gentiles will be enlightened? Of course not. It is a general statement like Revelation 20.

Zacharias the father of John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Ghost in Luke 1:67-80 and prophesied: “Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; The oath which he sware to our father Abraham, That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life … Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us, To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace. And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.”

Does that mean all Gentiles will be enlightened? Of course not. It is a general statement like Revelation 20.

Acts 2:17: “And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.”

Does that mean all Gentiles will be enlightened? Of course not. It is a general statement like Revelation 20.

Acts 13:46–48: “Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles (ethnos). For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles (ethnos), that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. And when the Gentiles (ethnos) heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.”

Did this mean the deception that blinded the Gentiles would be finally be lifted from all the darkened Gentiles?

Acts 14:16 confirms that God in times past (talking about before the cross) suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.”

Did this mean every Gentile in the Old Testament time was unsaved?

Acts 17:30 says, the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent.”

Did this mean every Gentile in the Old Testament time was unsaved?

Paul received his great commission to go onto the Gentiles with the Gospel during his conversion experience on the road to Damascus. The Lord said unto him in Acts 26:17-18: Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.”

Did this mean the deception that blinded the Gentiles would be finally be lifted from all the darkened Gentiles?

Acts 26:23 declares, “Christ should suffer, and that He should be the first resurrection from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles (ethnos)."

Does that mean all Gentiles will be enlightened? Of course not. It is a general statement like Revelation 20.

Ephesians 2:11-13 confirms this, saying, “ye being in time past Gentiles (ethnos) in the flesh, who are called uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.”

Did this mean every Gentile in the Old Testament time was unsaved? Does that mean all Gentiles will be enlightened in this NT era? Of course not. It is a general statement like Revelation 20.
 

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Only for a little season, will Satan be released; then the final separation be made of those who will receive Eternal life and all the rest; annihilation.
Your claim that the wicked will be Annihilated is a false teaching, following Ellen G. Whites 7th Day Adventism and Charles Taze Russell's Jehovah's Witnesses

The wicked will be judged eternally to the lake of fire in "conscious eternal torment"

Revelation 20:14-15KJV
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 14:9-11KJV
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
 
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