22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[CadyandZoe]

So, the onus is completely on me to ask you a bunch of questions and you have no responsibility to try to communicate more clearly? Wow.

Relax, take it slowly.

 

[Truth7t7]

If the Millennial kingdom lasts more than a thousand years, this isn't a problem for my view. Our disagreement centers on the events that immediately transpire after the Second Advent. Amillennialism teaches that history ends and eternity begins at that spot. Premillennialism teaches that after the Second Advent, human history has at least another thousand years to go, during which time God will vindicate his holy name.

No such thing as a Millennial Kingdom on this earth found in scripture, it's a fabricated fairy tale of man

Jesus returns in fire and final judgment, dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

 

[CadyandZoe]

It's funny how literal premils like yourself normally are, but when it comes to this you suddenly are not so literal anymore. Jesus very specifically indicated that John the Baptist was the Elijah to come. But, you say no, Elijah himself still has to come as well. Jesus indicated no such thing.

I took the passage literally. Jesus said that Elijah is to come, future tense. He also says that Elijah did come, past tense. How can both be true at the same time? In my view, Jesus wished to make a point about John the Baptist, in terms of their roles. While John came to announce the First Advent. Elijah will come to announce the Second Advent. Both are true.

No, He did not. He said he already came and it was John the Baptist.

As I said earlier, John denied that he was the Elijah that was to come. And he quotes a different passage from the OT in order to specify his actual role. Essentially John is suggesting that He did not come to fulfill Malachi 4, he came to fulfill Isaiah 40.

Not the literal Elijah, which is not what the prophecy is about.

Malachi predicted that Elijah would come. If he doesn't come, then Malachi was a false prophet. The transfiguration proved that Elijah was available for the job if necessary.

Not the literal Elijah, which is not what the prophecy is about. The prophecy is about someone who would come in the spirit of Elijah which means he would be like Elijah, which John the Baptist was.

Luke 1:13 But the angel said to him: “Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to call him John. 14 He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, 15 for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born. 16 He will bring back many of the people of Israel to the Lord their God. 17 And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the parents to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous—to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”

Your interpretation has a problem, a major flaw which doesn't yet seem to have a resolution. Malachi not only predicts the coming of Elijah, he says "Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord." Now, if Jesus actually meant to say that Malachi predicted the coming of John the Baptist, an idea that John flat out denied. Then we have a problem. Malachi seems to strongly suggest Elijah's appearance would indicate that the Day of the Lord is imminent.

This may be the reason why some early believers thought that the Day of the Lord had already come. 2 Thessalonians 2:2 But Paul denied that the Day of the Lord had already come. How much time must transpire before we can truly say that the Day of the Lord was not actually imminent with respect to the ministry of John the Baptist? Elijah came (?) but the Day of the Lord hasn't yet arrived? Is 2000 years imminent? I don't think so.

Scripture indicates that heaven and earth will be changed, not completely replaced by a separate heaven and earth. You are the one who doesn't get it because you are not familiar with a lot of scripture. You scripture knowledge is very limited.

Was Peter talking about the restoration of heaven and earth, or the restoration of Israel?

 

[CadyandZoe]

What does that even mean for it to read "well as a literal description"? How does reading it literally line up with what Jesus taught here, for example:

John 5:28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

Or with what He said in passages like this:

Matthew 13:47 “Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. 48 When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. 49 This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous 50 and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Passages like these indicate that there will be one event in the future when all of the dead are resurrected (not two or more) and that all people will be judged at the same time. How does that line up with your literal understanding of Revelation 20?

Does Jesus actually say there will be one event? I don't think he does. What he said does not rule out a delay between the resurrection of the righteous and the resurrection of the wicked. What Jesus said in John 5:28 would still be true if the good heard the voice and came out a thousand years earlier than the evil who heard the voice.

 

[CadyandZoe]

No such thing as a Millennial Kingdom on this earth found in scripture, it's a fabricated fairy tale of man

Jesus returns in fire and final judgment, dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

Both are true. There will be a millennial kingdom on earth followed by a judgment.

 

[CadyandZoe]

The 144,000 represent the "Remnant Church" in the wilderness during the tribulation, they won't be called to Jerusalem as you claim, they will be in the wilderness of Gilead, Bashan, and Carmel, and fed by God manna from heaven, as the world watches in astonishment

Revelation 12:6KJV
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Micah 7:14-17KJV
14 Feed thy people with thy rod, the flock of thine heritage, which dwell solitarily in the wood, in the midst of Carmel: let them feed in Bashan and Gilead, as in the days of old.
15 According to the days of thy coming out of the land of Egypt will I shew unto him marvellous things.
16 The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf.
17 They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth: they shall be afraid of the Lord our God, and shall fear because of thee.

In my view the 144,000 represent Hebrew morals living during the time just after the rapture of the church. This is how Revelation 7 describes it. First we see 144,000 Hebrews, marked on their foreheads -- for protection. Then we see people from all nations, people, tongues and languages standing before the throne and the lamb.

So here we have two groups, one mortal, standing on earth, and one immortal, standing before the Lamb in heaven.

 

[CadyandZoe]

No such thing as a Millennial Kingdom on this earth found in scripture, it's a fabricated fairy tale of man

Jesus returns in fire and final judgment, dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

When we examine Revelation 19, we see that a fiery destruction of the earth does not accompany the Second Advent.

Revelation 19:19-21
And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.

And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

Here we see two different outcomes: one for the beast and the false prophet; and one for the armies that fought the Lord. According to the text, the beast and the false prophet were seized and thrown into the lake of fire. On the other hand, the rest were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of him who sat on the horse, etc. No other person is tossed into the lake of fire until after the millennial period after being judged at the white throne.

 

[CadyandZoe]

No such thing as a Millennial Kingdom on this earth found in scripture, it's a fabricated fairy tale of man

Jesus returns in fire and final judgment, dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

New Heavens and the New Earth is not initiated at the Second Advent, for Jesus returns to the earth at the Second Advent. Rather, the New Heavens and the New earth is initiated when the bride comes down out of heaven. The coming of the Bride marks the coming of the New Heaven and the New Earth.

 

[Truth7t7]

Both are true. There will be a millennial kingdom on earth followed by a judgment.

A Millennial Kingdom on this earth isn't found in scripture, it's a fabricated man made fairy tale

 

[Truth7t7]

New Heavens and the New Earth is not initiated at the Second Advent, for Jesus returns to the earth at the Second Advent. Rather, the New Heavens and the New earth is initiated when the bride comes down out of heaven. The coming of the Bride marks the coming of the New Heaven and the New Earth.

When Jesus returns its fire time, the earth is dissolved, (The End)

 

[Truth7t7]

When we examine Revelation 19, we see that a fiery destruction of the earth does not accompany the Second Advent.

Revelation 19:19-21
And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.

And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

Here we see two different outcomes: one for the beast and the false prophet; and one for the armies that fought the Lord. According to the text, the beast and the false prophet were seized and thrown into the lake of fire. On the other hand, the rest were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of him who sat on the horse, etc. No other person is tossed into the lake of fire until after the millennial period after being judged at the white throne.

Your living in "Denial" of biblical truth, Jesus "Appears" "Reveals" at the Second Advent with "Fire"

Jesus returns in fire and final judgment, dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[CadyandZoe]

A Millennial Kingdom on this earth isn't found in scripture, it's a fabricated man made fairy tale

I understand. As others have pointed out, and I agree. The kingdom of God began during the ministry of Jesus Christ. So to avoid confusion, I am trying to use the phrase "Millennial Period", rather than "Millennial Kingdom." The kingdom in play during the Millennial Period is the same kingdom, headed by the same king that exists today, only more so.

 

[CadyandZoe]

When Jesus returns its fire time, the earth is dissolved, (The End)

If you are speaking about Peter's comment in 2 Peter 3, he is speaking about the Day of the Lord, which begins just before the Second Advent and ends a thousand years later. Peter's comment applies to the end of the Millennial Period, when, as John says the first earth passes away.

 

[WPM]

If you are speaking about Peter's comment in 2 Peter 3, he is speaking about the Day of the Lord, which begins just before the Second Advent and ends a thousand years later. Peter's comment applies to the end of the Millennial Period, when, as John says the first earth passes away.

Where does it teach that?

 

[CadyandZoe]

Your living in "Denial" of biblical truth, Jesus "Appears" "Reveals" at the Second Advent with "Fire"

Jesus returns in fire and final judgment, dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

As I demonstrated from Revelation 19, Jesus doesn't come with fire.

Where does it teach that?

Peter isn't teaching that. He is giving a summary of the Day of the Lord, to make his own point. The source of my statement comes from a thorough study of the Day of the Lord Passages.

 

[Truth7t7]

If you are speaking about Peter's comment in 2 Peter 3, he is speaking about the Day of the Lord, which begins just before the Second Advent and ends a thousand years later. Peter's comment applies to the end of the Millennial Period, when, as John says the first earth passes away.

The day of the Lord is like a thief, "Quickly"

Your claim this day is 1,000 years long is laughable

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

 

[Truth7t7]

As I demonstrated from Revelation 19, Jesus doesn't come with fire.

Your claim is "False"!

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

 

[jeffweeder]

Peter's comment applies to the end of the Millennial Period, when, as John says the first earth passes away.

You should be listening to Jesus like John was.


Jesus said in Matt 24,
35 Heaven and earth [as now known] will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
36 “But of that [exact] day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son [in His humanity], but the Father alone. 37 For the coming of the Son of Man (the Messiah) will be just like the days of Noah.

 

[Keraz]

Your claim is "False"!

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

This is a rude accusation, made from ignoring the plainly stated description of the glorious Return in Revelation 19:11-21

2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 describes the forthcoming Day of the Lords fiery wrath, Proved by how at that time, He is only revealed to His own faithful Christian peoples. As seen in Revelation 14:1.

 

[WPM]

As I demonstrated from Revelation 19, Jesus doesn't come with fire.

Peter isn't teaching that. He is giving a summary of the Day of the Lord, to make his own point. The source of my statement comes from a thorough study of the Day of the Lord Passages.

Yes, he shows it to be totally destructive and climactic.