22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[Truther]

I think you never read Rev 20, right?

 

[Truth7t7]

• The beast has been around for over 2000 years (Revelation 17:8, Revelation 17:11-13, 1 John 2:18-23, 1 John 4:1-3, 5-6, 2 John 1:7, and 2 Thessalonians 2:3-13). No man has lived that long on earth. Only a wicked spirit, an evil empire or a nefarious system could possibly fulfil that portrayal.

Your claim Is "False"

Daniel's (Little Horn), Paul's (Man Of Sin), And John's (The Beast) A Literal Human Man,, That Will Be Present On This Earth At The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ

The figure mentioned above will be a "Future" literal human man, and he will be present on earth in a living human body to witness the "Future" second coming and final judgment as scripture clearly teaches below

Daniel's (Little Horn) Present On Earth At The Second Coming

Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Paul's (Man Of Sin) Present On Earth At The Second Coming

2 Thessalonians 2:3-8KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

John's (The Beast) Present On Earth At The Second Coming

Revelation 19:19-20KJV
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[Truth7t7]

• How can a literal human being be literally “in them that perish” (2 Thessalonians 2:10)? This would suggest him being in every single unsaved person. Only a spirit can do that.

The scripture states "In Them" refers to "Those That Persih", as you have been clearly shown, as you bend and twist God's words to suit your reformed preterist needs

 

[Truth7t7]

The beast carries the allegiance of all the non-elect. No single human being has or ever or will possess that wholesale allegiance. What possibly human is going to get the allegiance of all false religious, all carnal political parties, every single tribe, ethnic group, culture and nation? Only a broader worldly spirit enjoys all the loyalty of the wicked.

Your claim is "False" God's words State all non-believers that dwell upon the earth will worship him

Revelation 13:8KJV
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[Truth7t7]

Finally, what human being in history lives in, and rises up out of, the sea at the end? Such an idea is nonsensical.

You have been shown several times that "Sea" represents multitudes of people, not oceans of water

The Beast will rise out of multitudes of people

The whore sits upon many waters, multitudes of people

 

[Truth7t7]

Avoid literal verses or avoid redefining them as metaphors?

Your problem is, claiming a literal kingdom on this earth is seen in Revelation 20:1-6 it isn't, it's a fabricated fairy tale of man

No Kingdom On Earth, No Throne On Earth, No Mortal Humans On Earth Are Seen

 

[WPM]

1: Rev 20

2: Rev 20(I noticed you already knew answer 1)

3: Rev 19-20

4: Zech 14, Isaiah 1 Cor 15 etc.

5: Rev 20.

I thought you read these chapters?

Those are the easiest questions ever asked.

Your support for your opinion of Revelation 20 is your opinion of Revelation 20. That is ridiculous. That is horrible hermeneutics. You are just proving my point. You obviously know you have nothing. That is why you cannot quote God's Word. None of these references (outside of Revelation 20) even mention a millennium. You have to add unto Scripture to create one. If you think you have support you would be more than happy to quote the sacred text.

 

[WPM]

You have been shown several times that "Sea" represents multitudes of people, not oceans of water

The Beast will rise out of multitudes of people

The whore sits upon many waters, multitudes of people

I agree. It is a symbolic sea that a symbolic beast rises out of. The whore is also symbolic. Please address my arguments that you have been dodging.

 

[WPM]

Your claim is "False" God's words State all non-believers that dwell upon the earth will worship him

Revelation 13:8KJV
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Who is your literal beast? Where is he from? Where does he function?

 

[WPM]

The scripture states "In Them" refers to "Those That Persih", as you have been clearly shown, as you bend and twist God's words to suit your reformed preterist needs

More avoidance. Deal with the issue. How can this literal human be in all those who perish? This doesn't make sense.

 

[Truth7t7]

Finally, what human being in history lives in, and rises up out of, the sea at the end? Such an idea is nonsensical.

For the forum to read, WPM posts things he doesn't believe, a waste of time!

Quote WPM Post # 6788

I agree. It is a symbolic sea that a symbolic beast rises out of. The whore is also symbolic.

 

[Truth7t7]

More avoidance. Deal with the issue. How can this literal human be in all those who perish? This doesn't make sense.

Your claim is false, as you bend and twist the scripture, you have been answered on all your questions previously

 

[WPM]

For the forum to read, WPM posts things he doesn't believe, a waste of time!

Quote WPM Post # 6788

I agree. It is a symbolic sea that a symbolic beast rises out of. The whore is also symbolic.

More avoidance and lies. You lost the argument a long time ago with your avoidance. Your name-calling was an admission you had zero rebuttals.

 

[WPM]

Your claim is false, as you bend and twist the scripture, you have been answered on all your questions previously

Once again, as is your pattern, you cannot even answer simple questions.

You can get away with your evasive cut-and-paste posts with Premils but you will not get away with it with real authentic Amils.

Scofield's teaching is a lie.

 

[WPM]

Your claim is false, as you bend and twist the scripture, you have been answered on all your questions previously

Who is your literal beast? Where is he from? Where does he function?

 

[Truther]

Your problem is, claiming a literal kingdom on this earth is seen in Revelation 20:1-6 it isn't, it's a fabricated fairy tale of man

No Kingdom On Earth, No Throne On Earth, No Mortal Humans On Earth Are Seen

Lol...


20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Truther]

Your support for your opinion of Revelation 20 is your opinion of Revelation 20. That is ridiculous. That is horrible hermeneutics. You are just proving my point. You obviously know you have nothing. That is why you cannot quote God's Word. None of these references (outside of Revelation 20) even mention a millennium. You have to add unto Scripture to create one. If you think you have support you would be more than happy to quote the sacred text.

The Amil...."Please find me where else it says 1000 years ,6 times in 6 verses because I need more proof".


LOL

 

[WPM]

The Amil...."Please find me where else it says 1000 years ,6 times in 6 verses because I need more proof".


LOL

It is called interpreting Scripture with Scripture, something you cannot (or will not) seem to do. We have already established the symbolic thrust of Revelation. Names, entities and numbers are used in a figurative sense to impress deep spiritual truths. Unfortunately, Premils constantly spiritualize the literal and literalize the spiritual to support their error.

 

[Truther]

It is called interpreting Scripture with Scripture, something you cannot (or will not) seem to do. We have already established the symbolic thrust of Revelation. Names, entities and numbers are used in a figurative sense to impress deep spiritual truths. Unfortunately, Premils constantly spiritualize the literal and literalize the spiritual to support their error.

6 times in a row in 6 verses.

Not enough?

Verily, verily, verily, verily, verily, verily I say to you, is not enough?

Do Amils have to be spoon fed?

 

[WPM]

6 times in a row in 6 verses.

Not enough?

Verily, verily, verily, verily, verily, verily I say to you, is not enough?

Do Amils have to be spoon fed?

Who cares whether it is 666. It is symbolic terminology in the most figurative setting in Scripture. You need to employ some type of contextual hermeneutics instead of just repeating what you have been taught. You do not seem to understand apocalyptic language. That is why your theology is messed up. You cannot even address Spiritual Israelite's simple question:

"the beast is referenced over 30 times in the book of Revelation. Does that mean it's a literal beast since it is referenced so many times?"