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[amigo de christo]

Many folks these days sure to claim to Follow Christ and to believe in HIM
and yet they sure dont seem to believe in some of the things HE taught .
He who believes not IS CONDEMNED already . He who believes not shall be damned .
Those who love a lie , who believe not shall see the lake of fire at their end .
AND what christain would praise pope francis who is decieving the world to be as one under a LIE .
This is all just more of that delusion of the all inclusion getting taught .
The thorn in my buttocks that must be exposed . To any and all who claim CHRIST
my advice is you better make sure its the biblical Christ . For many now come and preach a love
that leads to the second death and sounds nothing like the gospel JESUS or the apostels taught .
Satan sleeps not and he knows how to preach a false jesus and a false love .
A love that will save none but rather will lead them straight to the day of the perdition of ungodly men
who had rejected the love of the truth and thus given over to a delusion to believe a lie .
That LIE ends in the lake of the fire as will those who taught it .
New age mistress oprah wimphrey was early on a queen of this lie .
She too could say She was a christain but then tried to sell the peace pipe of delusion
that said but its not necessary for you to beleive . THAT AINT WHAT JESUS said and it aint what the apostels taught .
This thorn will end in the fires prepared for the devil and his angels and all who believe not
are condemened . TRUTH is the ONLY CONDEMNATION one has is they will not believe in CHRIST .
DONT follow these new agers , this pope or any other who comes preaching another gospel and another jesus .
Cause the end is the second death for all who do so .

 

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[Enoch111]

...God will save everyone; all people will go to Heaven...

Then there would be no need for either repentance or faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. But your idea is totally incorrect.

 

[amigo de christo]

Then there would be no need for either repentance or faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. But your idea is totally incorrect.

All who maketh and loveth a lie shall have their part in the lake of fire .
WE IS STICKING TO THE ONE TRUE GOSPEL my friend . THERE SIMPLY is no other hope . yes indeed my friend

 

[amigo de christo]

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To the last and final breath WE IS GONNA POINT TO CHRIST . march on my dear sister .

 

[Nancy]

Hello Harold,
This "Universal" thing is NOT the true gospel of God. What would you say to the following scripture verses, as you have never quoted a one of them:

“For many are invited, but few are chosen.”
Matthew 22:14

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: …"
Matthew 7:13,14

"So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen."
Matthew 20:16

"And He said to them, “Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.”
Luke 13:23b-24

“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:"
Matthew 25:41

In Mark 14:21, Jesus said, ‘The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had never been born.’

it doesn't sound like Judas is heaven bound..Please think on these verses as we need to constantly pray for God to call unbelievers to His son.
God bless and I hope you will "see" the truth.

 

[amigo de christo]

Hello Harold,
This "Universal" thing is NOT the true gospel of God. What would you say to the following scripture verses, as you have never quoted a one of them:

“For many are invited, but few are chosen.”
Matthew 22:14

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: …"
Matthew 7:13,14

"So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen."
Matthew 20:16

"And He said to them, “Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.”
Luke 13:23b-24

“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:"
Matthew 25:41

In Mark 14:21, Jesus said, ‘The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had never been born.’

it doesn't sound like Judas is heaven bound..Please think on these verses as we need to constantly pray for God to call unbelievers to His son.
God bless and I hope you will "see" the truth.

and how about these reminder from JESUS himself .
What did JESUS say to the cities who had not repented to believe on Him .
And what did He tell the apostels to do to such as rejected him and WHY .
JESUS said , and i quoate , IT will be better for even SODOM in the day of judgment than for YOU .
JESUS told the desciples to preach the gospel and that if one hears you not go and shake the dust off of your feet
as a TESTIMONY against them . IT will be better for even sodom than for them .
Last time i checked SODOM was totally destroyed . What could be worse , THE SECOND DEATH in a lake of fire is WORSE .
JESUS was so clear about this . HE even told the jews YE GONNA DIE in your sins cause you DO NOT BELIEVE that I AM HE .
Its time to get grave and serious . IF WE Love folks we gotta do all to point them back to bibles , back to that JESUS
and fast too . EVEN paul wrote and said
IF a person could be put to death under the old covenant ,by the law
HOW MUCH WORSE a punishment for those who TROD JESUS UNDER FOOT . THEY all knew sister .
THEY all knew that ONE must believe in Christ and that if one rejected it was bad news for that soul . THEY all knew it .
This generation is the confused one . But things are real clear in the bible . Thus its why i always try and get folks back IN the bible for themselves . I aint the monster folks think i am . I am simply doing this for the good of souls cause i desire not one soul to perish .\SO guess who i am gonna point too . A hint it wont be man BUT JESUS and i mean the biblical one .

 

[amigo de christo]

Then there would be no need for either repentance or faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. But your idea is totally incorrect.

and how about these reminder from JESUS himself .
What did JESUS say to the cities who had not repented to believe on Him .
And what did He tell the apostels to do to such as rejected him and WHY .
JESUS said , and i quoate , IT will be better for even SODOM in the day of judgment than for YOU .
JESUS told the desciples to preach the gospel and that if one hears you not go and shake the dust off of your feet
as a TESTIMONY against them . IT will be better for even sodom than for them .
Last time i checked SODOM was totally destroyed . What could be worse , THE SECOND DEATH in a lake of fire is WORSE .
JESUS was so clear about this . HE even told the jews YE GONNA DIE in your sins cause you DO NOT BELIEVE that I AM HE .
Its time to get grave and serious . IF WE Love folks we gotta do all to point them back to bibles , back to that JESUS
and fast too . EVEN paul wrote and said
IF a person could be put to death under the old covenant ,by the law
HOW MUCH WORSE a punishment for those who TROD JESUS UNDER FOOT . THEY all knew this .
THEY all knew that ONE must believe in Christ and that if one rejected it was bad news for that soul . THEY all knew it .
This generation is the confused one . But things are real clear in the bible . Thus its why i always try and get folks back IN the bible for themselves . I aint the monster folks think i am . I am simply doing this for the good of souls cause i desire not one soul to perish .\SO guess who i am gonna point too . A hint it wont be man BUT JESUS and i mean the biblical one

 

[amigo de christo]

Jesus himself says Matthew 11:27: "All things have been handed over to me by my Father”

Thus, all things will be saved, as His blood washes away everyone's sins
John 1:29 “The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!”

JESUS also said , if ye belive not ye shall be damned . dont forget that part .
Talk about taking things out o text . GOD does love the world . SO HE DID send HIS SON
that all who do .......wait for it ................BELIEVE WOULD BE SAVED . Those who dont , JESUS said will be damend .
So lets not go down the pope francis all roads lead to GOD lie . I fear , i truly shudder in fear
for these people who dared to TROD JESUS UNDER FOOT and sell this lie
that it dont matter what god or religon one follows . You think it was bad under the law .
By two or three witnesses one could be put to death . BUT HOW MUCH WORSE For those who TROD JESUS UNDER FOOT for the lie
so many do these days . God wont be mocked . SO lets try and teach ALL THINGS JESUS said . Not just try and nit pick things here
and their to create a false hope which saves NONE but damns all who follows their own path and religion .
TIME TO arise and preach the gospel and not give the world a false hope , BUT THE REAL HOPE OF JESUS CHRIST .

 

[Nancy]

A satanist comes to me and says “Hail Satan <3” I tell to her the gospel truth, that everyone will be saved by faith alone in Christ Jesus. Yes, that means that even satanists will become believers in Christ and be given glorified bodies free of sin.



John 1:9 "The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world"



She asks “Saved from what? My beliefs?” I reply “Saved from original sin, when Adam ate the forbidden fruit, in your genetics”. Belief in Christ washes away all sins committed afterwards too by a person. She then insults my family, so I say, “Then I pray the Lord blesses you friend”.

Ephesians 1:10 As a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.



She asks something along the lines of “Do people who perform X Activity be saved?”. These questions are quite frequent, especially from younger people. I post the Gospel and they ask questions like “Will black lives go to Heaven?”.



John 6:33 "The Bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives Life to the world."



The only thing that saves someone is faith alone in Jesus Christ. It doesn’t matter what race you are, belief in Jesus Christ is enough to save anyone. Jesus was born Jewish, but His salvation is for the Gentiles too, for every other race as well.



Luke 2:10 [The Gospel is] "good tidings of great joy will be to all people."



Whether a person does this particular evil deed, or that specific wrongdoing, or any random activity in general, all will be saved by their faith alone in Christ.



Ephesians 1:10 As a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.



Satan may try to divide people by what activities they support or don’t support, or what culture they belong to, but Christ unifies everyone. No matter what, everyone will become a believer in Christ.

I must ask, how do you interpret these verses:

James 2:19​

19 "You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!"

“For many are called, but few are chosen,” (Matt. 22:14).

“And He was passing through from one city and village to another, teaching, and proceeding on His way to Jerusalem. 23And someone said to Him, “Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?” And He said to them, 24“Strive to enter by the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. "

“Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, ‘Lord, open up to us!’ then He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from.’ 26“Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets’; 27and He will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you are from; depart from Me, all you evildoers,'” (Luke 13:22-27).

• “And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, “Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, it is the remnant that will be saved; 28for the Lord will execute His word upon the earth, thoroughly and quickly,” (Rom. 9:27).

To me, these verses are VERY clear that not all will be saved, in fact I see that very few will be saved.

 

[quietthinker]

Hi everyone. To preface, I am a Christian Universalist. Faith alone in Jesus Christ only saves you. God will save everyone; all people will go to Heaven.



1 John 2:2: "He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world."



Background Information

I was talking to a family member in the conversation below. They have seen Christianity before, but unfortunately only through the perspective of an extreme fundamentalist, another family member of mine, who would talk about and believes in ECT. She’s the type that’s turned away from even the mention of specific Bible verses, so I had to still reference them, but phrase them in my own way of speaking. I had tried to mention specific Bible verses to her, but she had doubts about it, so I had to take a different approach with this evangelism. (By the way, any Bible verses I do mention were not said in the conversation, but I added to this post as support for what I said to her).



Isaiah 44:6 Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.



Absurdism

So, I was talking to her while sharing a meal and she mentioned that she recently read a book titled “The Outsider” by French Author Albert Camus that she was recommended by someone else. I didn’t recognize the book. However, she said that the author believed that everything in life was absurd and I instantly recognized the concept as Absurdism. Absurdism is wrong. Jesus Christ is the truth of this world, and He will save everyone through faith alone in Him!



1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints,



Nihilism

I know it because I studied it long ago alongside Nihilism by Friedrich Nietzsche with his Übermensch concept, which I mentioned in the conversation. Nihilism is wrong, which I explained with the reasoning along the lines of “If you believe everything is meaningless, then why do good, since that too would be meaningless? Why did Nietzsche create the concept of the Übermensch, the idea that humans should follow a subjective concept of good he made, if good shouldn’t exist be his logic? It completely contradicts itself. That is why I don’t believe in Nihilism”.



Proverbs 14:12 There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death.



Religious

She replied saying that she at least believes that there should be some religion that humans follow. This was a good start. I had stopped the belief of absurdism from spreading at least. She then said that “People tend to believe in religion when they are struggling. There were many poor people in the past who would believe in an afterlife as relief from their suffering”. I agree with this from a Christian perspective, in the sense that, oftentimes it’s during intense periods of pain that people start to turn to God. That suffering is unfortunate, as I do not wish for people to go through unnecessary pain. I said “If people are suffering and the belief of religion makes them good, then that is good.” She agreed with this. This helped pave the way that at least the concept of religion is good. I would need to take further steps to bring her to Christ.



Psalms 107:1 Give thanks to the LORD, for he is good; his love endures forever.



Hinduism

I then had to mention her about the negatives of karma from the Hinduism belief to disprove it. “The problem with karma is it says that bad things happen to bad people because they deserve it.” I talked about some people who were Hindu who would withhold treatment from people who were suffering because they believed that they deserved that suffering for some evil in their past life. “I don’t care if that person was Gandhi or Hitler in their past life, if they’re suffering, I’m going to help them” I later said. Fortunately, she agreed with that statement, which is good since Hinduism is a false belief, it’s wrong.



Hebrew 9:27 Just as people are destined to die once



Catholicism

She talked about liking the Catholic Pope more than other Popes, calling him “cooler”. I replied “Yes, I’ve heard him mention that even those who are not Catholic can still be saved” and she said “Yeah, that’s really good”. I addressed this to try and lead the conversation towards faith alone salvation. I don’t want her to think that you need specific work requirements, like the Catholic sacraments of baptism or doing good works to be saved. You can only be saved by faith alone in Jesus Christ. Some Catholics also worship Mary more than Jesus, which is wrong. God, our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit is the only one who deserves our worship. He is the only and true source of good. There are some people that identify as “Catholic”, or call themselves by any other denomination name and still believe in Christian Universalism. For me, the most important thing is that they believe in faith alone to be saved by Jesus Christ.



1 Corinthians 1:12-13 What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?



Other Denominations

“It’s strange that Catholics would say that only Catholics are saved. They won’t even include other Christians in that.” She then agreed with this statement. Later, she mentioned “Scientists said the universe started with a big bang, but honestly, I can see that as God creating the universe”. Then I replied “Yeah, like big explosion of light compared to the verse in Genesis mentioning ‘Let there be light’, I see that as evidence as well.” I talked to her about the different denominations that exist, like Quakers, comparing them to the Quaker Oat brand, or Presbyterians, and talking about how the important thing is that they’re all Christian. I was then hoping to mention how everyone is saved by faith alone in Jesus Christ.



Genesis 1:3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.



1 Corinthians 1:10 ESV I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment



Faith Alone and Universalism

I was so close to mentioning Faith alone and subsequently Universalism, but then she suddenly had to leave for work. At this point we had been talking for over an hour, and we had already finished our food. Don’t worry, we are still on good terms with each other, same as ever, and she was convinced by the things I mentioned. I can only hope that this conversation leads her in the right direction towards Christ. It feels bittersweet honestly. Even though there are a lot of supports of Christian Universalism that I have met online, I have never met a Christian Universalist physically face-to-face, of course other than myself. So, while the experience was a net good, I can’t help but feel a bit empty after it. I feel I was so close to revealing the truth to her. But I must trust in the Lord that she can be led to the truth eventually.



Psalm 145:17 "The Lord is righteous in all his ways and faithful in all he does.



Closing Thoughts

The expression “Rome wasn’t built in a day” fits here, I think. As much as I wish I could have evangelized her in the moment, there wasn’t enough time. I at least dissuaded her from pure atheism, so it’s progress. Though, I am in no position to judge, since I too was an atheist, even a nihilist at one point before I was saved. It took me years to be saved by faith alone in Jesus Christ and then years after that to learn of Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ. So, I must be patient. That’s the reason I made this post. So, someone can maybe find this information useful. So, I hope it can helpful.



Ephesians 1:10 As a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in Him, things in heaven and things on earth.

What God has accomplished for all people will not be desired by most. The good news to them is a stumbling block. We have choice. Most will find the Glory of God a consuming fire.....they will cry for the rocks and the mountains to fall on them when he appears. Not so with those who look forward to and love his appearing. The glory of God will be to them a safe haven......one long waited for.....a release from the oppression of this world.......the oppression and self glorification practiced by all who hate God.
God will not violate their choice just as he did not violate the choice of our first parents......just as he did not violate the choice of Judas.....just as he will not violate your choice or mine.

 

[Nhisname]

Today, I was approached by a satanist. I am a Christian Universalist. Everyone will go to Heaven. Everybody will be saved by believing in Jesus Christ through faith alone.

Luke 3:6 All flesh shall see the salvation of God.

1Cor 6:9-19

God hates evil.....whoever does evil here on earth will not see the kingdom of God.
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


I have talked to other people in my evangelism and helped them believe in Jesus Christ with faith alone. The Universal Salvation doctrine has really helped people understand the love Christ Jesus has for the whole world. So, I am thankful for those who run the Tentmaker Org site for originally teaching me Christian Universalism.

You are destroying Jesus' witness by peddling your version what YOU think God's truth is. Jesus came for one purpose, to save sinners.

Yes, many are now called, but few are going to be chosen. Few are going to spend eternity with God. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit has been saying to the churches.

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Psalm 138:8 The Lord will accomplish His purpose for me. Thy true love, 0 Lord, endures for ever, leave not thy work unfinished.

Of course, having more people saved through believing in Jesus Christ, goes against the Devil. So, I figured it would only be a matter of time before Satan sent one of his members to me.

1 John 3:8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work.

Yes those who do evil are from the devil. God cannot abide with evil of any kind. The only way to get to heaven is to take Christ as savior and his blood as our covering for sin.


Today, a person came to me and said “follow”. I went in the direction they pointed at, and then they showed me a crudely drawn picture of a woman with black long hair and a red dress to the knees. I think it was supposed to be a visual depiction of the “Whore of Babylon”. On the right side of this picture were various obscene words. I looked at it, and did not react. I think they were trying to offend me here. But, my mind was still, knowing that the Lord blesses those who are persecuted. I have had many people insult me for my beliefs, so I’ve become used to it.

Revelations 17:6 I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God’s holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.



They then told me “follow” again, so I did. Then we walked. They told me that they were a satanist. Then, they later identified themselves as a “witch”. I think most witches are female, but I’m unsure of their gender, so I will continue to refer to them with “they”.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.



They said to me “There might be other satanists, so don’t write God! God! God!”. I told them “The good news of Jesus Christ is happiness for everyone”. They replied, saying “You can wish people good, just do it without God”. A classic contradiction, similar to how the serpent tricked Eve in the Garden of Eden. God is good. There can be no good without God. The only good comes from God.

Psalm 145:9 The Lord is good to all, And His mercies are over all His works



The satanist quoted what I said before “Lord blesses you” and then quoted another thing I said “A peaceful and happy afterlife for everyone”. They tried to persuade me into wishing everyone a peaceful and happy afterlife without the Lord’s blessings. Another contradiction. Jesus Christ, our Lord, is the only way to Heaven! He guarantees our happiness.

Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.



They told me they had to go, but instructed me to accept their friend request on a social media site. I went on there and accepted it. Their username was “SisterWitch” with @SparkleHorse79 below it.

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

I said “Hello”. Then they said “I don’t believe in God”. I replied saying “I thought you said you were a Satanist?”. Satan is part of God’s creation, so it’s yet another contradiction to not believe in God, yet somehow believe in Satan.

John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.



I replied “Oh, so you’re an atheist then.” They said “I didn’t think I would be able to explain it to you”. While I was typing, they said “I have to unfriend you now”. They could see that I was typing still, so said “I will wait for you to finish typing that”. Knowing that they would end the conversation soon, I said “I at least want to wish you a good day.” They replied “I hope you will keep in mind what we talked about”. Then we said our goodbyes, them wishing me a “fantastic day”, then added a “:)” to which I replied with “”.

Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”



Afterwards, I then proceeded to go back to evangelising people. I was able to end the conversation on a positive note. All I can hope is that, in my kindness towards them, that I somehow managed to convince even the smallest part of them, to become believers in Christ.

Psalm 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in Him.



I felt a sense of calmness throughout the encounter. I rarely spoke any words, and carefully thought what to say. Perhaps that was the Holy Spirit guiding me. I also felt a sense of great love towards the person, fooled and trapped by Satan. I am directly opposed to Satanism, it is absolute evil, but the prisoner, kept locked up by the Devil, I felt empathy towards them.

Ephesians 6:11 “Put on all of God’s armor so that you will be able to stand firm against all strategies of the devil



But this was certainly a strange experience. It makes me wonder “What was this satanist trying to accomplish here?”. When Jesus was tempted by Satan, I also think “What was Satan trying to accomplish there?”.

Luke 4:13 “When the devil had finished tempting Jesus, he left him until the next opportunity came.”



Either way, the Devil’s efforts are for nothing. No matter what, I will keep spreading the Gospel truth, that everyone will go to Heaven through faith alone in Jesus Christ. That Christ Jesus is the saviour of the whole world and how we will all become believers in the Lord in a peaceful and happy afterlife.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people.

 

[St. SteVen]

Then there would be no need for either repentance or faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. But your idea is totally incorrect.

I would add a step to what Harold is saying. I think what he means is that EVENTUALLY everyone will end up in heaven.

I believe in the judgment. But judgment with purpose. Restorative and corrective judgment.
The purpose being mercy, redemption and reconciliation.

 

[quietthinker]

I would add a step to what Harold is saying. I think what he means is that EVENTUALLY everyone will end up in heaven.

I believe in the judgment. But judgment with purpose. Restorative and corrective judgment.
The purpose being redemption and reconciliation.

People's choice is respected.....even Satan's choice is respected by God. They will reap what they sow.

Interestingly, sin is defined in the OT as transgression of the law yet Jesus defines it as not believing in him. In other words, not trusting in God's judgement.....and what is God's judgement? ....is it not 'forgiven' ?

Those murdering Jesus are representative of us (humanity) and Jesus prays that they be forgiven. Do we think that the Father whose will Jesus came to do has a different attitude to Jesus' prayer?

Yes, people are forgiven but not all want it.....in fact, most fight tooth and nail and trust their own ideas, their own judgements......just as A&E did.....the promise to them as a result was, 'you will surely die' (notice the word 'surely')

 

[St. SteVen]

People's choice is respected.....even Satan's choice is respected by God. They will reap what they sow.

How did you arrive at this conclusion?
Why would the will of God be thwarted by his creation?
I don't think this argument holds up at all.

Interestingly, sin is defined in the OT as transgression of the law yet Jesus defines it as not believing in him. In other words, not trusting in God's judgement.....and what is God's judgement? ....is it not 'forgiven' ?

Yes, I agree, that is interesting.
Does it make sense to kill someone because they didn't accept a gift from you?

Those murdering Jesus are representative of us (humanity) and Jesus prays that they be forgiven. Do we think that the Father whose will Jesus came to do has a different attitude to Jesus' prayer?

That's a great point, thanks.

Yes, people are forgiven but not all want it.....in fact, most fight tooth and nail and trust their own ideas, their own judgements......just as A&E did.....the promise to them as a result was, 'you will surely die' (notice the word 'surely')

Is it not a sin for us to not forgive?
Can God forgive us if we don't forgive others? (Matthew 6:15)

If God expects that from us, what should we expect of Him?
Does He operate according to a lower moral standard than he holds us to?

 

[quietthinker]

How did you arrive at this conclusion?
Why would the will of God be thwarted by his creation?

Could it be that God knowing the beginning from the end has not had his will thwarted by his creation at all but rather fulfilled?....I think so.

Is it not a sin for us to not forgive?
Can God forgive us if we don't forgive others? (Matthew 6:15)

If God expects that from us, what should we expect of Him?
Does He operate according to a lower moral standard than he holds us to?

If you will not forgive others you will not have the capacity to believe God will and has forgiven you.

 

[St. SteVen]

Could it be that God knowing the beginning from the end has not had his will thwarted by his creation at all but rather fulfilled?....I think so.

With forethought and intent then?
That God would by plan and purpose see to it that the majority of humankind would be damned?
What does that say about his character?

If you will not forgive others you will not have the capacity to believe God will and has forgiven you.

Capacity? Not have the capacity?
What do you make of this?

Matthew 6:15 NIV
But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

 

[jeff saunders]

Then there would be no need for either repentance or faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. But your idea is totally incorrect.

you miss understand what is being said , its only because of Jesus and what he did on the cross and resurrection that we can have repentance from sin or life in the Father John 14:6 Jesus said no man comes to the father but through me. Col 1:19-22 God was pleased to have all fullness dwell in him and through him to reconcile to himself all things on earth or in heaven by Jesus. Acts 3:21 In Jesus Christ is the restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. The need for repentance is not diminished its elevated to all Gods creation .

 

[jeff saunders]

Hello Harold,
This "Universal" thing is NOT the true gospel of God. What would you say to the following scripture verses, as you have never quoted a one of them:

“For many are invited, but few are chosen.”
Matthew 22:14

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: …"
Matthew 7:13,14

"So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen."
Matthew 20:16

"And He said to them, “Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.”
Luke 13:23b-24

“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:"
Matthew 25:41

In Mark 14:21, Jesus said, ‘The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had never been born.’

it doesn't sound like Judas is heaven bound..Please think on these verses as we need to constantly pray for God to call unbelievers to His son.
God bless and I hope you will "see" the truth.

So you are from the camp that thinks we can only accept Jesus while in the mortal body then? Do you believe John 14:6 "no one comes to the Father but through me" ? If you believe what Jesus spoke then ask yourself how did all those that followed Yahwey from Adam till Jesus get to the father if they did not accept Jesus after their motal body was dead. You either have to have multiple paths to the Father making Jesus a liar or all those who came before Jesus can't see the Father, those are your only choices. Those vs you quoted are talking about the result of this age they don't talk about the age to come.