I think I'm going to step out of this topic. It looks as though the greatest proponent against science is "science is of the devil" I"m not going to deal with Arnie's broad paint brush that covers anyone looking at what science has to say and saying "hey that's what the bible says" While Arnie paints them as evolutionist. For clarification again I believe in the 6 day creation, I don't believe in the evolution of any life forms, and that 6000 years ago, Adam was created, the time man came on the scene. In fact an unbiased view of mans history will reveal that about 6000 years ago man suddenly appeared and built huge stone monoliths across the globe, but the evidence of man prior to say 10,000 by sciences measure the evidence for man is almost nonexistent. Science has it's back against the wall in this department "life and evolution" and the more they learn the tight the nos gets.
I thought that some might like to know that even though the universe looks to be 15 billion years old "this has nothing to do with carbon dating BTW" that the complete understand of science says, that at the center of universe only 6 days have passed. But I guess I was wrong. I find it to be a great conversation piece with non believers that throw the 6000 years in my face. Thanks to some people that believe science is of the devil, and have no interest in answering questions using information that secular people trust, like science. I simply show them the finger print of God using Einsteins law of relativity and say, you see Gods finger print it's right in the center of the big bang, 6 days.
So I'm simply going to C/P this post here "from another thread.
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After giving it some thought Arnie I've come to this conclusion, people that choose to ignore science and believe in a young earth and universe are simply expressing their faith in a Creator.
People that choose to look at science and not allow it effect their faith or change what is believed in the bible but rather look and marvel at what science has shown to be true concerning the scriptures, are in no way denying faith but are increasing faith because of evidence that supports the bible through science.
The big bang is the first case example it is completely compatible with "let their be light"
and here's a few other examples I'll copy and paste from some saved PDF files I have.
The patriarch Job was extremely wealthy—enjoying a wonderful family. Then tragedy struck. He lost his wealth. His children were killed and his wife deserted him. Then Job lay in excruciating pain, covered with sores from head to toe. He cried out to God for reassurance, and God replied with a reminder of His almighty wisdom, justice, love, and power. God conveyed to Job His dynamic logic in three questions:
“Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? …Or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?” Job 38:31-32
The Pleiades: “Canst thou bind the sweet influence of the Pleiades?” Modern science has revealed that the seven stars of the Pleiades are in reality a grouping of 250 blazing suns all traveling together in one common direction. Concerning this cluster, Isabel Lewis of the United States Naval Observatory tells us: “Astronomers have identified 250 stars as actual members of this group, all sharing in a common motion and drifting through space in the same direction... journeying onward together through the immensity of space.”
From Lick Observatory came this statement of Dr. Robert J. Trumpler: “Over 25,000 individual measures of the Pleiades stars are now available, and their study led to the important discovery that the whole cluster is moving in a southeasterly direction. The Pleiades stars may thus be compared to a swarm of birds, flying together to a distant goal. This leaves no doubt that the Pleiades
are not a temporary or accidental agglomeration of stars, but a system in which the stars are bound together by a close kinship.” Without any reference whatsoever to the Book of Job, Dr. Trumpler announced to the world exactly what God said: “Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades?” In other words, Job, can you keep them bound together so that they remain as a family of suns?
Orion: “Canst thou . . . loose the bands of Orion?” The noted astronomer Garrett P. Serviss wrote about the bands of Orion in his book CURIOSITIES OF THE SKY.
“At the present time this band consists of an almost perfect straight line, a row of second-magnitude stars about equally spaced and of the most striking beauty. In the course of time, however, the two right-hand stars, Mintaka and Alnilam, will approach each other and form a naked-eye double; but the third, Alnitak, will drift away eastward so that the band will no longer exist.” In other words, every star in Orion is traveling its own course, independent of all the others. Thus, these stars that we see forming one of the bands of Orion are like three ships out on the high seas that happen to be in line at the present moment, but are bound for different ports, and all are journeying to different corners of the universe, so that the bands are being dissolved.
Arcturus: “Canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?” Garrett P. Serviss wrote: “Arcturus, one of the greatest suns in the universe, is a runaway whose speed of light is 257 miles per second. Arcturus, we have every reason to believe, possesses thousands of times the mass of our sun. Think of it! Our sun is traveling only 12
miles a second, but Arcturus is traveling 257 miles a second.” Charles Burckhalter, of the Chabot Observatory, added an interesting note regarding this great sun: “This high velocity places Arcturus in that very small class of stars that apparently are a law unto themselves... Newton gives the velocity of a star under control as not more than 25 miles a second, and Arcturus is going 257 miles a second. Therefore, combined attraction of all the stars we know cannot stop him or even turn him in his path.”
So you see Arnie even with out some of the embellishments made the simple observer can deduce
1) the book of Job can be proven to be written long before science could have ever confirmed these statement by God to Job
2) It doesn't compromise my faith in fact it increases it.
3) it totally compatible with the word.
Now If you want to junp up and down and call people that look at science with the eye of God as as Darwinist monkey lovers, that's your choice I guess.
Their are other facts that have only been found in the bible that have been found to be true, as mans understanding increases
