69,195 reasons I am NOT a christian Zionist

[Luther7]

You are playing right into the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood narrative.
Long before Hamas existed and before Netanyahu had ANY political power, Israel approved humanitarian aid BY QATAR to Palistinians in Gaza during the 70s-80s.
Hamas was not created until 1987. This was allowed because the Israeli government preferred negotiations with them rather than the PLO and Arafat.
Stop promoting the leftist lies.

Hamas was created and supported by Israel because Israel did not want to negotiate with the PLO and Arafat which was the legitimate government of Palestine which would legitimately come to negotiations on a two-state solution with the backing of many other countries. That's pretty easy to understand.


The Oslo Accords (1993)

The peak of the PLO's commitment to the two-state solution came in 1993 with the signing of the Oslo Accords. In official letters of mutual recognition:
• The PLO, led by Yasser Arafat, officially recognized the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security and explicitly renounced terrorism and violence.
• Israel, led by Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, recognized the PLO as the official representative of the Palestinian people.
This agreement established the Palestinian Authority (PA) to serve as an interim government in parts of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, with the intention that future negotiations would culminate in a permanent two-state resolution.


Current Status

The peace process stalled completely after the collapse of the Camp David Summit in 2000, the onset of the Second Intifada, and the subsequent political fracturing of Palestinian leadership (where the Islamist group Hamas, which historically rejected the Oslo framework, seized control of the Gaza Strip from the PLO-aligned PA in 2007). While the PLO and PA maintain their formal diplomatic stance supporting a two-state solution, modern political realities, expanding settlements, and leadership changes have left the proposal stalled.

(You see, it's very obvious who does not want peace. At the very least Hamas is supported by Israel to indefinitely delay any real peace negotiations. They don't want peace. They want full control of the Middle East which you can see they've been doing since 9/11.)

 

[JimKnox]

Hamas was created and supported by Israel because Israel did not want to negotiate with the PLO and Arafat which was the legitimate government of Palestine which would legitimately come to negotiations on a two-state solution with the backing of many other countries. That's pretty easy to understand.


The Oslo Accords (1993)

The peak of the PLO's commitment to the two-state solution came in 1993 with the signing of the Oslo Accords. In official letters of mutual recognition:
• The PLO, led by Yasser Arafat, officially recognized the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security and explicitly renounced terrorism and violence.
• Israel, led by Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, recognized the PLO as the official representative of the Palestinian people.
This agreement established the Palestinian Authority (PA) to serve as an interim government in parts of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, with the intention that future negotiations would culminate in a permanent two-state resolution.


Current Status

The peace process stalled completely after the collapse of the Camp David Summit in 2000, the onset of the Second Intifada, and the subsequent political fracturing of Palestinian leadership (where the Islamist group Hamas, which historically rejected the Oslo framework, seized control of the Gaza Strip from the PLO-aligned PA in 2007). While the PLO and PA maintain their formal diplomatic stance supporting a two-state solution, modern political realities, expanding settlements, and leadership changes have left the proposal stalled.

(You see, it's very obvious who does not want peace. At the very least Hamas is supported by Israel to indefinitely delay any real peace negotiations. They don't want peace. They want full control of the Middle East which you can see they've been doing since 9/11.)

That's retarded.
Israel did not create Hamas.
I already proved that.
Like I said: you are playing right into the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood.
<<<< this is me kicking your dust off my shoes.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Hamas was created and supported by Israel because Israel did not want to negotiate with the PLO and Arafat which was the legitimate government of Palestine which would legitimately come to negotiations on a two-state solution with the backing of many other countries. That's pretty easy to understand.

When have Hamas said that? And do you remember what Arafat said?

The Oslo Accords (1993)

The peak of the PLO's commitment to the two-state solution came in 1993 with the signing of the Oslo Accords. In official letters of mutual recognition:
• The PLO, led by Yasser Arafat, officially recognized the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security and explicitly renounced terrorism and violence.
• Israel, led by Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, recognized the PLO as the official representative of the Palestinian people.
This agreement established the Palestinian Authority (PA) to serve as an interim government in parts of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, with the intention that future negotiations would culminate in a permanent two-state resolution.


Current Status

The peace process stalled completely after the collapse of the Camp David Summit in 2000, the onset of the Second Intifada, and the subsequent political fracturing of Palestinian leadership (where the Islamist group Hamas, which historically rejected the Oslo framework, seized control of the Gaza Strip from the PLO-aligned PA in 2007). While the PLO and PA maintain their formal diplomatic stance supporting a two-state solution, modern political realities, expanding settlements, and leadership changes have left the proposal stalled.

(You see, it's very obvious who does not want peace. At the very least Hamas is supported by Israel to indefinitely delay any real peace negotiations. They don't want peace. They want full control of the Middle East which you can see they've been doing since 9/11.)

Palestine has only existed as a 'state' for the 25 years of British Mandate and as Gaza and the West Bank which came into existence in 1948. The majority population argument is all very well except for the continued persecution or oppression by the Roman, Byzantine and Ottoman Empires (no wonder) although one must accept that Jews were generally safer under the Ottoman Empire than in Europe, albeit as second class citizens along with Christians and Druze.

 

[Debp]

Maybe you don't want to know the vile creatures behind it.

It sure doesn't sound like you love your neighbor as yourself. While I don't agree with Islam, I don't call Muslims vile or other names. But you seem to take delight in calling Jews names.

 

[Debp]

<<<< this is me kicking your dust off my shoes.

That's probably the right idea.

 

[TLHKAJ]

In the Hamas charter it says to kill every Jew, even worldwide.

And the Jews (those who say they are Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of satan) will kill anyone (by beheading) who worships Jesus Christ. You are supporting the Antichrist Beast system.

 

[TLHKAJ]

The question remains, how many of these people will reject the Jew world order, with its noahide laws that they are feverishly starting to put in place? I'm speaking very plainly because the time really is here. And there will be a separation. My Hope is that being in a forum such as this there will be some attention being given to this information.

Sadly, despite the vast amount of information that has been out about the Noahide Congress and the worldwide implementation of Noahide laws, it seems most professing Christians have given themselves to serve the beast system. They will fall right in line ..... lock step with the beast.

 

[TLHKAJ]

It sure doesn't sound like you love your neighbor as yourself. While I don't agree with Islam, I don't call Muslims vile or other names. But you seem to take delight in calling Jews names.

Why are you and other professing Christians in support of murdering thousands of children in the name of "defending Israel"?

 

[brightmorningstar]

Why are you and other professing Christians in support of murdering thousands of children in the name of "defending Israel"?

Who here has said that? Defense of Israel to be a nation state is somewhat different from agreeing with what it is currently doing, which it wouldn't be doing if it hadn't been for 7th Oct and constant rocket attacks.
They all need Jesus, Arabs, Muslims and Jews.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Who here has said that? Defense of Israel to be a nation state is somewhat different from agreeing with what it is currently doing, which it wouldn't be doing if it hadn't been for 7th Oct and constant rocket attacks.
They all need Jesus, Arabs, Muslims and Jews.

You all say it with every single post you make blanketly condoning Israel's actions.

Of course they all need Jesus. And y'all want to send them into eternity before they meet Jesus. Who's giving them the Gospel before Israeli soldiers walk up to a Gazan mother and child and shoots them in the face?

You all have been shown proof that Netanyahu admitted to funding Hamas, that Israel KNEW the attacks were planned and the military was told to stand down for HOURS.... and that many of the civilian Israeli deaths were committed by the Israeli military. And you still condone the genocides of Gazan civilians. You refuse to acknowledge the truth.

And you condone the atrocities that are happening against Palestinians. Do you realize that Palestine has a large CHRISTIAN population, and that they are being murdered right and left by Israel?

Israel is not even an official nation. Research it. They're a SETTLEMENT, but not actually a nation. And only 5% of the occupants are genetically Judean. But even if they were of Judean descent, that doesn't give them the right to commit these genocides.

You know, what you cheer and condone, will come to you. United States is not immune to attacks. What will you do when China and other nations send troops to our homeland? Who will come to your aid? God says you reap what you sow.

 

[brightmorningstar]

You all say it with every single post you make blanketly condoning Israel's actions.

every considered it might be your misunderstanding and not everyone else's?

Of course they all need Jesus. And y'all want to send them into eternity before they meet Jesus.

Nope, I have already said in the last week on this forum to the contrary.

Who's giving them the Gospel before Israeli soldiers walk up to a Gazan mother and child and shoots them in the face?

The Israeli IDF is unlikely to be giving them the gospel. But the Israeli soldier might be giving them their 'eye for an eye'. This is why they all need Jesus and the gospel.

You all have been shown proof that Netanyahu admitted to funding Hamas, that Israel KNEW the attacks were planned and the military was told to stand down for HOURS.... and that many of the civilian Israeli deaths were committed by the Israeli military. And you still condone the genocides of Gazan civilians. You refuse to acknowledge the truth.

Yet whilst it could be true we dont believe that source.

And you condone the atrocities that are happening against Palestinians.

on the contrary, I don't condone 7th October, the rockets or the Israeli response. Got it?

Do you realize that Palestine has a large CHRISTIAN population, and that they are being murdered right and left by Israel?

Yes indeed, just like the Christians killed in the Hamas 7th October attack. I am not taking sides with the violence, you however seem to.

Israel is not even an official nation. Research it. They're a SETTLEMENT, but not actually a nation. And only 5% of the occupants are genetically Judean. But even if they were of Judean descent, that doesn't give them the right to commit these genocides.

Israel and Judah were nations long before the word Palestine was thought of. They were indeed nations. There has been a remnant of Israelites in the land during persecution and disapora throughout Roman, Byzantine and Ottoman rule of the land. I would suggest your claim is false. What is your source because such claims are usually from Eran Elhaik's weaponisation of the Khazarian Hypothesis

You know, what you cheer and condone, will come to you. United States is not immune to attacks. What will you do when China and other nations send troops to our homeland? Who will come to your aid? God says you reap what you sow.

I don't condone the violence and I don't live in the United States.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Right now, I'm not going to cast my pearls, or waste my time going back and forth with bloodthirsty people who do not love the truth. I'll post as God leads ...but I have a lot more to spend my time and energy on that to cast pearls. More people will go on ignore so I don't get notifications.

 

[David in NJ]

"These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue,

and hands that shed innocent blood,

An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."
Proverbs 6:16-19

As of 12 November 2025, over 69,185 Palestinians and 1,983 Israelis have been reported killed in the Gaza war, according to the Gaza Health Ministry and Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The Palestinian death toll has surpassed 60,000 according to the Gaza Health Ministry, which noted that women and children make up about half of the dead. By early September 2025, the Palestinian death toll had reached 64,231, with the ministry confirming the deaths of around 400 individuals previously presumed missing.

The Gaza Health Ministry's figures are considered reliable by U.N. agencies and many independent experts, though Israel disputes them without providing its own comprehensive toll. Scholars estimate that 80% of Palestinians killed are civilians, and a study by the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) found that 70% of verified Palestinian fatalities in residential buildings were women and children.

In contrast, Israeli authorities reported that Hamas-led militants killed approximately 1,200 people, mostly civilians, in their attack on southern Israel on October 7, 2023. The disparity in casualties has been attributed to factors such as Israel's use of defensive systems like the Iron Dome, bomb shelters, and early warning systems, while Palestinian civilians in Gaza lack comparable protective infrastructure.

The conflict has also resulted in significant casualties among humanitarian and media personnel, including 179 UNRWA employees and 248 journalists or media workers. The daily death rate in Gaza has been described as higher than in any other major 21st-century conflict, with Oxfam reporting an average of over 250 deaths per day in early 2024. Human rights organizations have accused Israel of committing genocide and apartheid, citing the scale of civilian casualties and systematic destruction of infrastructure.

i am definitively NOT a earthly zionist = the Jewish people are in big trouble no doubt before GOD.
And Islam under shariah law are in even MORE TROUBLE before GOD

However, the same SIN that is upon the Jews for taking vengance is also upon Islam/Koran/Shariah law followers.

As a matter of fact, Islam is seeking to do the same worldwide upon all infidels = Jews & Christians

This is God's Word as prophesied in Genesis, Daniel, Gospel and in Revelation

When the Islamacists ignite under their false god and shariah law rise up here in the USA, they will be put down swiftly!!!

GOD gaves us that Right to Govern against terrorists.

 

[David in NJ]

I believe Israel has a right to exist.
I am a born again Christian.
If that makes me a Christian Zionist, then so be it.
Bring it on.

Good Morning Jim and @Nancy and @TLHKAJ and all

Does Israel/Jews have a Right to Exist?

What does GOD Say???

This is what the LORD of Hosts, the God of Israel, says: “When I restore them from captivity, they will once again speak this word in the land of Judah and in its cities: ‘May the LORD bless you, O righteous dwelling place, O holy mountain.’ 24And Judah and all its cities will dwell together in the land, the farmers and those who move with the flocks, 25for I will refresh the weary soul and replenish all who are weak.”

Thus says the LORD, who gives the sun for light by day, who sets in order the moon and stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar—the LORD of Hosts is His name:

36“Only if this fixed order departed from My presence,
declares the LORD,
would Israel’s descendants ever cease
to be a nation before Me.”
37This is what the LORD says:
“Only if the heavens above could be measured
and the foundations of the earth below searched out
would I reject all of Israel’s descendants
because of all they have done,”

 

[CrowCross]

Hamas was created and supported by Israel because Israel did not want to negotiate with the PLO and Arafat which was the legitimate government of Palestine which would legitimately come to negotiations on a two-state solution with the backing of many other countries. That's pretty easy to understand.

That's retarded.
Israel did not create Hamas.
I already proved that.
Like I said: you are playing right into the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood.
<<<< this is me kicking your dust off my shoes.

From what I have learned over the last little while... Hamas was created by Israel in the 1970 to counteract the regime of Yasser Arafat in Gaza. So Jim, I like ya but the concept isn't retarded. It's what actually happened.

The irony of this history is that Israel now seeks to destroy the very organization it helped cultivate.

So, what eventually happened? They say a false flag.... Israel deliberately stood down on October 7, 2023, permitting Hamas to carry out its devastating attack when the Israel defense "stood down for 6 hours". This gave the Israelis the right to go bomb the living daylights out of Gaza...for the sake of creating a portion of the "Greater Israel".

@TLHKAJ is right...

You all have been shown proof that Netanyahu admitted to funding Hamas, that Israel KNEW the attacks were planned and the military was told to stand down for HOURS

But why stop there? Netanyahu then attacked Lebanon destroying neighborhoods. Many of those neighborhoods being Christian. So, besides killing christians in Gaza...they also killed christians in Lebanon. Using American tax-payers money, USA weapons...and get this, the support of the Zionist christian churches in America.

They all need Jesus, Arabs, Muslims and Jews.

That is true....But the Kabbalah Jews running Israel, AIPAC following the talmud...looking for the Noahide laws...third temple.....those who see you as goyim....see your Jesus as a false prophet currently in hell.

But, my Christian Zionist friends say I should bless Israel and not curse them...give them what they need or I'm cursing them. I think they fail to realize who is actually in control of Israel. We can read a bit about them in Rev 3:9.

So you have compassion towards the Palestinians and Hamas...but not towards the Jews. Sounds like antisemitism to me.

Yes, as christians we should have compassion towards the Jews....but when you point your finger at the Kabbal Jews you're called an antisemite.

 

[David in NJ]

So, what eventually happened? They say a false flag.... Israel deliberately stood down on October 7, 2023, permitting Hamas to carry out its devastating attack when the Israel defense "stood down for 6 hours". This gave the Israelis the right to go bomb the living daylights out of Gaza...for the sake of creating a portion of the "Greater Israel".

100% TRUE

Yes, as christians we should have compassion towards the Jews....but when you point your finger at the Kabbal Jews you're called an antisemite.

100% TRUE

 

[TLHKAJ]

36“Only if this fixed order departed from My presence,
declares the LORD,
would Israel’s descendants ever cease
to be a nation before Me.”
37This is what the LORD says:
“Only if the heavens above could be measured
and the foundations of the earth below searched out
would I reject all of Israel’s descendants
because of all they have done,”

We, as the believers in the Messiah, Jesus Christ, are the descendants of Abraham. We are his seed, his children. Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness. We become Abraham's seed when WE believe God, by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. When a Jew (whether Ashkenazi, Khazarian, or a genetic Judean) believes on Jesus Christ, they too are Abraham's seed that is spoken of in scripture.

Brother, what about the Christians in Palestine who are actually of Judean descent, being murdered by Israel? Is that okay??

I do not believe God is blessing the murdering and genocides being carried out by Israel and the United States.

 

[TLHKAJ]

But why stop there? Netanyahu then attacked Lebanon destroying neighborhoods. Many of those neighborhoods being Christian. So, besides killing christians in Gaza...they also killed christians in Lebanon. Using American tax-payers money, USA weapons...and get this, the support of the Zionist christian churches in America

Yes, it's very revealing here. Although all this genocide is wrong, the target is Christians. This will be further enabled when the world is brought under Noahide laws, soon. It will then be legal and mandated to behead all true Christians who worship the TRUE Messiah, Jesus Christ.

 

[CrowCross]

Yes, it's very revealing here. Although all this genocide is wrong, the target is Christians. This will be further enables when the world is brought under Noahide laws, soon. It will then be legal and mandated to behead all true Christians who worship the TRUE Messiah, Jesus Christ.

People often look at the CNN or Fox news view (controlled legacy media)....rather than the 30,000' view.

 

[TLHKAJ]

This is what the LORD of Hosts, the God of Israel, says: “When I restore them from captivity, they will once again speak this word in the land of Judah and in its cities: ‘May the LORD bless you, O righteous dwelling place, O holy mountain.’ 24And Judah and all its cities will dwell together in the land, the farmers and those who move with the flocks, 25for I will refresh the weary soul and replenish all who are weak.”

Thus says the LORD, who gives the sun for light by day, who sets in order the moon and stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar—the LORD of Hosts is His name:

36“Only if this fixed order departed from My presence,
declares the LORD,
would Israel’s descendants ever cease
to be a nation before Me.”
37This is what the LORD says:
“Only if the heavens above could be measured
and the foundations of the earth below searched out
would I reject all of Israel’s descendants
because of all they have done,”

Amazingly ....Israel has always been a nation before God. God's purpose and plan has always been to have a people. It began when a bloodline, and it has continued with a bloodline .... Jesus' blood(line).

1 Peter 2:3-10
“if so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious. To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: And he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, The stone which the builders disallowed, The same is made the head of the corner, and A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.”