7 PAGAN FESTIVALS WE STILL CELEBRATE TODAY ~ under the guise of Christian celebrations and names.

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Pearl

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So therefore not Christian. And if you are not a Christian you are against God.
Luke 11:23
“Whoever is not with me is against me,
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Cassandra suggested a thread on this so I am starting one.


It is important to look at the link but I suggest we take one festival at a time and lets try to figure out
why they chose a tie in with a Pagan festival.

Preview in the link says:





NOW~ I have a couple of unexplained questions and this is one of them.... perhap there are some opinions out there.

A. We celebrate the birth of the christ child on December 25 and the date of that never changes from year to year. We also know He was not born on that date nor in the month of December. But world wide
this is an accepted time..... EXCEPT for the Orthodox who celebrate it on Jan. 7 in 19 countries and Jan. 6 in 2 countries.

So why was December 25 picked as there is not one biblical reference that would suggest this.

This link from History.com may shed a light. (It is a very insightful read.)


What say you?
This is all a tempest in a teapot!

It doesn't matter what we celebrate and when. What does matter is who we celebrate in these festivals. We can celebrate Christmas in July- it doesn't matter- it is a celebration of the birth of the God Man Savior.

If we celebrate for the reasons the pagans did, then it is evil. If we celebrate rto the glory of God then it is fine! No date on the calendar is evil unless WE make it evil.
 
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  • 1.(especially in historical contexts) a person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main or recognized religions:"the incoming Germanic peoples were pagans"
  • 1.(especially in historical contexts) holding or constituting religious beliefs other than those of the main or recognized religions:

So therefore not Christian. And if you are not a Christian you are against God.
Luke 11:23
“Whoever is not with me is against me,
adjective
You realize Pagan religions predate Judaism and Christianity?

That God is older than mans created religions?

Etymology, pagan (n.)

c. 1400, perhaps mid-14c., "person of non-Christian or non-Jewish faith," from Late Latin paganus "pagan," in classical Latin "villager, rustic; civilian, non-combatant" noun use of adjective meaning "of the country, of a village," from pagus "country people; province, rural district," originally "district limited by markers," thus related to pangere "to fix, fasten," from PIE root *pag- "to fasten." As an adjective from early 15c.




The religious sense often was said in 19c. [e.g. Trench] to derive from conservative rural adherence to the old gods after the Christianization of Roman towns and cities; but the Latin word in this sense predates that period in Church history, and it is more likely derived from the use of paganus in Roman military jargon for "civilian, incompetent soldier," which Christians (Tertullian, c. 202; Augustine) picked up with the military imagery of the early Church (such as milites "soldier of Christ," etc.).



The English word was used later in a narrower sense of "one not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim." As "person of heathenish character or habits," by 1841. Applied to modern pantheists and nature-worshippers from 1908.

Pagan and heathen are primarily the same in meaning; but pagan is sometimes distinctively applied to those nations that, although worshiping false gods, are more cultivated, as the Greeks and Romans, and heathen to uncivilized idolaters, as the tribes of Africa. A Mohammedan is not counted a pagan much less a heathen. [Century Dictionary, 1897]
The English surname Paine, Payne, etc., appears by old records to be from Latin paganus, but whether in the sense "villager," "rustic," or "heathen" is disputed. It also was a common Christian name in 13c., "and was, no doubt, given without any thought of its meaning" ["Dictionary of English Surnames"].
 

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Hey Cassandra!

Did you know that generally, the Feast days of the Saints of the Church is the day that we are celebrating their birthdays into Heaven?

Pax et Bonum!
ok--i fail to see the significance. Doesn't mean it needs to be celebrated. It's still not biblical is it? Birthdays were not practiced by the Jews or early Christians. Anyway,
Aren't all God's people referred to as saints?

As for folk going to heaven (or hell) when they die--that's fodder for another thread.

Gone for a few weeks, so I can't reply to whatever else you are going to offer/
 
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Do Pagans Worship the Devil?


Patti Wigington
Updated on August 14, 2019
You've just discovered and started researching Paganism, and that's great! But uh-oh... someone went and got you worried because they told you Pagans are devil worshipers. Even scarier, you saw a picture, somewhere on this website, of a guy wearing horns. Yikes! Now what? Do Pagans really follow Satan?
The short answer to that question is No. Satan is a Christian construct, and so he’s outside of the spectrum of most Pagan belief systems, including Wicca. If someone tells you they’re a Satanist, then they’re a Satanist, not a Wiccan.

It's also important to keep in mind that most people who self-identify as Satanists do not, in fact, worship Satan as a deity, but instead embrace a concept of individualism and ego. Many Satanists are in fact atheists, particularly among those who follow LaVeyan Satanism. Others consider themselves hedonists. Regardless of your feelings about Old Scratch, the Devil, Beelzebub, or whatever you want to call him, Satan generally doesn't appear in most modern Pagan spiritual systems.

Many evangelical branches of Christianity warn members to avoid any sort of Pagan belief path. After all, they caution you, worship of any being other than the Christian god is tantamount to devil-worship. Focus On the Family, a fundamentalist Christian group, warns that if you're looking at the positive aspects of Paganism, it's because you've been tricked by the devil. They say, "Many Wiccans say that Wicca is harmless and nature-loving—that it has nothing to do with evil, Satanism and dark forces. But that is exactly what Satan wants them to believe! Intent on deceit, "Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light," says Paul. "It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness." Paul says that if they don't turn toward God and repent, "their end will be what their actions deserve" (2 Corinthians 11:14-15)."

The Horned God Archetype​

As to the "guy wearing horns," there are a number of Pagan deities who are often represented as wearing horns or antlers. Cernunnos, for instance, is the Celtic god of the forests. He is associated with lust and fertility and the hunt - none of which sound terribly evil, do they? There's also Pan, who looks a bit like a goat and comes to us from the ancient Greeks. He invented a musical instrument which ended up being named for him–the panpipe. Again, not too threatening or scary at all. If you happen to stumble across an image of Baphomet, he's another goat-headed deity and happens to reflect many of the theories and ideas found in 19th-century occultism.
In many Wiccan traditions, the archetype of the Horned God represents the masculine aspect of the divine, often as a consort to a Mother Goddess. In Margaret Murray's God of the Witches, she attempts to prove that there was an all-encompassing, pan-European cult that honors this archetype, but there is simply no academic or archaeological evidence to support this. However, there are indeed various individual horned gods that pop up in a number of ancient cultures.

Horned Gods and the Church​

So, if our Pagan ancestors were out frolicking in the forests and honoring horned deities like Pan and Cernunnos, how did the idea of devil worship come to be associated with these gods?

Well, it's an answer that's fairly simple, and yet complex at the same time. In the Bible, there are passages specifically addressing deities who wear horns. The Book of Revelation, in particular, speaks to the appearance of demons, wearing horns on their heads. These may have been inspired by the appearance of ancient, pre-Christian gods, including Baal and Moloch.

The well known "devil" imagery featuring the giant ram's horns, the Baphomet image, may be based upon an Egyptian deity. This goat-headed depiction is often found in modern Tarot decks as the Devil card. The Devil is the card of addiction and bad decision-making. It's not uncommon to see this card come up in readings for people with a history of mental illness or various personality disorders. Reversed, the Devil portrays a much brighter picture -- such as removing the chains of material bondage in favor of spiritual understanding.
Jayne Lutwyche of BBC Religion & Ethics says,

Accusations of witch-craft in [the 16th and 17th centuries] were often associated with devil-worship and Satanism. Witch-hunts were used to target any heretical (non-mainstream Christian) beliefs. Victims were often accused of debauched practices and transformation (turning into animals) as well as communion with evil spirits.

So again, no, Pagans don't generally worship Satan or the devil, because he's simply not part of most modern Pagan belief systems. Those people in Pagan religions who are honoring a horned god–whether it's Cernunnos or Pan or anyone else–are simply honoring a horned god.
 

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This is all a tempest in a teapot!

It doesn't matter what we celebrate and when. What does matter is who we celebrate in these festivals. We can celebrate Christmas in July- it doesn't matter- it is a celebration of the birth of the God Man Savior.

If we celebrate for the reasons the pagans did, then it is evil. If we celebrate rto the glory of God then it is fine! No date on the calendar is evil unless WE make it evil.
So Halloween is ok provided we do it as church o ween, church trick or treat.
 
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Who here has burned their calendar?
The days of our week are derived from Pagan God and Goddess names or identities.
 

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This is all a tempest in a teapot!

It doesn't matter what we celebrate and when. What does matter is who we celebrate in these festivals. We can celebrate Christmas in July- it doesn't matter- it is a celebration of the birth of the God Man Savior.

If we celebrate for the reasons the pagans did, then it is evil. If we celebrate rto the glory of God then it is fine! No date on the calendar is evil unless WE make it evil.
There are many Christians whose faith requires something to be afraid of and hate. It's tragic they have no peace in Christ.
 

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So Halloween is ok provided we do it as church o ween, church trick or tre November tat.
It's best if the church just celebrates all hallows day rather than all hallows eve. November 1st is All Saints day.
 
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There are many Christians whose faith requires something to be afraid of and hate. It's tragic they have no peace in Christ.
It is not a question of being afraid or hate, it's about being wise and keeping ourselves holy and pure from the tainted stuff the world embraces.
 

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a friendly , but dire necessary reminder to all on this thread ,
Keep the pagan out of it .
Let me remind us of something else .
WHEN JESUS taught us to pray HE said
Our FATHER who art in heaven HALLOWED by YOUR NAME .
HELLOWEEN wont be hallowed on my watch . I dont hallow satans name and no man should . Touch not
the unclean wicked festival peroid . IT aint hallow , it honors sins and witchcraft , the day of the dead
and all sorts of evil things . SO from here on out
lets try and call it by its propername . HELLOWEEN .
As the OP to the OP how?

The title is "7 PAGAN FESTIVALS WE STILL CELEBRATE TODAY ~ under the guise of Christian celebrations and names."

Without an explanation of why a holiday we celebrate on any specific date originally was under the guise of being Pagan, then if not for self education and understanding can one hope to exve offer a reasonable explanation to those non-Christians who question the whoes, whats, wheres, and whys of who we worship.

As a reminder... we started out on a discussion on Christmas....

With a link to which was from an actual History source.

Why Is Christmas Celebrated on December 25?​

Church officials wanted the date to coincide with existing pagan festivals.

But Ill tell you what.

Since you find this so offensive I am asking the mods to delete this entire subject for it darn well is next to impossible to explain the whys and wherefores if you cannot mention a word... or talk about it.
 

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As the OP to the OP how?

The title is "7 PAGAN FESTIVALS WE STILL CELEBRATE TODAY ~ under the guise of Christian celebrations and names."

Without an explanation of why a holiday we celebrate on any specific date originally was under the guise of being Pagan, then if not for self education and understanding can one hope to exve offer a reasonable explanation to those non-Christians who question the whoes, whats, wheres, and whys of who we worship.

As a reminder... we started out on a discussion on Christmas....

With a link to which was from an actual History source.

Why Is Christmas Celebrated on December 25?​

Church officials wanted the date to coincide with existing pagan festivals.

But Ill tell you what.

Since you find this so offensive I am asking the mods to delete this entire subject for it darn well is next to impossible to explain the whys and wherefores if you cannot mention a word... or talk about it.
Or,maybe consider since you started the conversation those who participate but now can't stand to learn Pagan isn't synonymous with Satan, and are now offended by that word can themselves choose to not participate further.

When they prefer to promote slander over historic fact, they are already disrespecting the thread .
 

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  • 1.(especially in historical contexts) holding or constituting religious beliefs other than those of the main or recognized religions:

So therefore not Christian. And if you are not a Christian you are against God.
Luke 11:23
“Whoever is not with me is against me,
adjective
Exactly dear sister . Now lift those hands and praise the LORD .
 
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Or,maybe consider since you started the conversation those who participate but now can't stand to learn Pagan isn't synonymous with Satan, and are now offended by that word can themselves choose to not participate further.
It is synonymous with Satan because it is anti Christian. Sorry if that offends you but you do seem to be putting up a bit of a fight for it. Would you call yourself Pagan?
 

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Seemingly the tides are turned to the un......
Had one rather be called a Pagan or a Cretin, anyone ?

Titus 1:10-13
10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
 

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Or,maybe consider since you started the conversation those who participate but now can't stand to learn Pagan isn't synonymous with Satan, and are now offended by that word can themselves choose to not participate further.

When they prefer to promote slander over historic fact, they are already disrespecting the thread .
You are correct, of course.

The problem is that rather than learn an "historic" fact or to stay away altogether some
seemingly cannot differentiate the difference by aligning both sides together... or seemingly feel drawn to read such.

@ amigo de christo
HELLOWEEN wont be hallowed on my watch . I dont hallow satans name and no man should . Touch not
the unclean wicked festival peroid . IT aint hallow , it honors sins and witchcraft , the day of the dead
and all sorts of evil things . SO from here on out
lets try and call it by its propername . HELLOWEEN .
Do you even know why Halloween is called Halloween?

from Wikipedia

Halloween

A celebration observed in many countries on 31 October
Halloween or Hallowe'en is a celebration observed in many countries on 31 October, the eve of the Western Christian feast of All Saints' Day. It begins the observance of Allhallowtide, the time in the liturgical year dedicated to remembering the dead, including saints, martyrs, and all the faithful departed.

But yep.... lets change the "church appointed name" to Helloween.... that should be good.
A great name to honor the saints, martyrs and all the faithful departed.

Do you want credit for that?

Do you know what Allhallowtide is?

More from Wiki...

Allhallowtide


Allhallowtide, Hallowtide, Allsaintstide, or the Hallowmas season, is the Western Christian season encompassing the triduum of All Saints' Eve, All Saints' Day and All Souls' Day, as well as the International Day of Prayer for the Persecuted Church and Remembrance Sunday in some traditions.

Now the following may upset you so no need to read further.


The Catholic World Report

The Season of the Dead: The origins and practice of Allhallowtide​

(Note who it is calling this time of the year season of the dead)

We’ve grown to think of our American experience of Halloween—with its focus on horror themes, costumes, candy, and decorations—as normative. In fact, it’s a product of the 20th century media-saturated consumer-oriented appropriation of Catholic feasts for mass consumption, which strips things of their true meaning. Like secular Christmas and Easter, it’s a hollowed out thing that emphasizes pleasure while downplaying devotion.

Yet tantalizing hints of its genuine origins remain, and the Catholic calendar continues to focus doggedly on its real meaning.

Allhallowtide is actually a kind of triduum: three days of commemoration that includes All Hallows Eve (October 31, shortened Hallowe’en), All Saints Day (All Hallows Day, November 1), and All Souls Day (November 2). As with other major feasts, celebration of All Saints Day begins on the vigil, which is why secular culture celebrates Halloween on the night of October 31st, but then does nothing on the actual feast days that follow.

Halloween is a Christian holiday. Some Celtic neo-pagans and fundamentalist Christians claim the Church simply took over the date for a pagan festival of the dead and all its trappings. False. The current dates fall on a harvest festival called Samhain by the Celts, but there is no indication that Samhain was a festival of the dead. It simply marked the end of the harvest season. Festival days were often regarded as liminal time in which the veil between the material and spiritual worlds are considered thinner, but elaborating this into a festival of the dead on par with those found in other ancient pagan belief systems is more than than the textual evidence can support. Since we have no pre-Christian records of its observation, claims about about its observation are speculative.

Bede calls November Blod-monath (Blood Month), which sounds promising. However, the real meaning is mundane: it was the time surplus livestock were slaughtered to save fodder for the long winter. Otherwise, Bede attaches no significance to the season.

AND I STOP HERE WITH THE COPY AND YOU CAN CHECK THE LINK FOR YOURSELF IF YOUR HEART CAN HANDLE THIS CATHOLIC REPORT AS IT CONTINUES WITH

There is, however, a connection to pagan practices found deeper in history.
 

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So again, no, Pagans don't generally worship Satan or the devil, because he's simply not part of most modern Pagan belief systems. Those people in Pagan religions who are honoring a horned god–whether it's Cernunnos or Pan or anyone else–are simply honoring a horned god.
If I may address your points…..said by one who seems to have a particular love for these celebrations which did not originate in either Judaism or Christianity…..there is something I believe that you are missing in your justification of them.

All “gods” honored by these celebrations are invented by one entity…the very source of all false worship. Satan does not care what god(s) you worship, as long as it’s not the true God. All worship of false deities goes to the ‘wannabe god’ by default. This is something very serious.
Who here has burned their calendar?
The days of our week are derived from Pagan God and Goddess names or identities.
Did you know that Pope Gregory was the one who authorized the Gregorian calendar named after him?
A purported “Christian” leader of the only “Christianity” in existence at the time” (the Roman Catholic church) had the means to change the name of the days of the week and the months of the year but chose to stick with the names of the pagan gods. Do we wonder why that was so? Could it be that these Roman gods were still worshipped but under the guise of a counterfeit kind of “Christianity”?
Isn’t that what Jesus warned would take place…..the ‘weeds sown among the wheat’…..allowed to “grow together” until “the time of the harvest”?

It’s harvest time now, and the separating is taking place as we speak…..how does Jesus know who is promoting the truth and who are promoting lies? He is not fooled by fake “Christianity”…but we might be if we don’t know what we are doing when we adopt these pagan celebrations which were originally designed to honor false gods….all really honoring the devil in disguise. He masquerades as “an angel of light” you know…..a true deceiver.
There are many Christians whose faith requires something to be afraid of and hate. It's tragic they have no peace in Christ.
If we do not have a healthy fear of displeasing the God we purport to love, then we could be induced to serve the devil’s interests under the guise of self interest…..”isn’t it nice for the kiddies?” “We are giving gifts to each other, how could that be bad?”
But analyze what you are really doing….at Christmas, is lying to children really the Christian thing to do?
If presents and Santa Claus are all that a child thinks of at Christmas, then it’s a lie that promotes self-interest. (the devil’s favorite tactic) Then when they are of age and they find out that Santa Claus isn’t real, some children are devastated. They go on then to question, if Santa isn’t real, maybe God isn’t either….

Reading scriptures like 2 Cor 6:14-18, we have no excuse to adopt these pagan celebrations by putting a “Christian” label on them and pretending that we are not in violation of God’s principles stated quite clearly…there can be no mixing of the truth with falsehood.
those who participate but now can't stand to learn Pagan isn't synonymous with Satan, and are now offended by that word can themselves choose to not participate further.

Believing that “pagan is not synonymous with satan” and therefore justifies carrying on with celebrations that you love, betrays divided heart. You have to love the inconvenient truth more than the comfortable lies.
Sacrifice means giving up something valuable in order to offer it to God. Can people give up what they love to honor the true God? I can’t see that happening any time soon. The commercial system has a boom time with these holidays (holy days). Commercial interests will promote them relentlessly.

God’s worship must be “in spirit and truth”, not contaminated with lies. True Christians have already eliminated pagan based celebrations.…. but the churches will not support that because, even though they know the origin of these events, they will promote them out of self-interest…..the two biggest money spinners for the churches are Christmas and Easter, both pagan to their bootstraps, but out of misplaced guilt many will rock up to church and put money in the coffers in an attempt to bribe God for not attending all year. It makes me smile, but it is actually sadly true.

When they prefer to promote slander over historic fact, they are already disrespecting the thread .
It seems strange indeed that disrespecting the thread is put before disrespecting God…..he is the one who tells us not to honor other gods, and not to try and fuse pagan beliefs into our worship (like Israel did by adopting Baal worship along with their worship of the true God) but the devil has the world honoring a bunch of false gods…..with all the honor going to himself at the expense of those who think God doesn’t care…..I assure you that he does.