70 AD revisited

[covenantee]

This is saying the city and temple will be left desolate until the end of these war desolations are determined.

If that is not referring to the 70 AD war, then what war is it referring to?

 

[covenantee]

let see

“Seventy [e]weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression, Not yet completed. Israel is still in sin and have still rejected her messiah They are still in transgression
[f]To make an end of sins, Not yet completed. israel is still in sin and have still rejected her messiah
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness, This will happen when Jesus returns to earth.
To seal up vision and prophecy, there is still as of yet unfulfilled prophecy
And to anoint the Most Holy. Again, Will happen when the most hgoly returns to earth and takes up residence in Israel, namely jerusalem in his fathers house and he comes to rule with a rod of Iron. Has not yet happened

“Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The [h]street shall be built again, and the [i]wall,
Even in troublesome times. (fulfilled)

26 “And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall [j]be cut off, but not for Himself; (fulfilled)


And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. (fulfilled)

The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined. In progress


27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; Not yet fulfilled. has not occurred yet
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the [l]desolate.” Not yet fulfilled. has not occurred yet

nice try, But your just wrong.

You're still in your iniquity and unrighteousness.

 

[covenantee]

I don't need examples of this.. Your just trying to put the truth on hold while you look for reasons to ignore it.

thats on you my friend. Not me..

As expected, you have no evidence to support your Darby/Scofield claims.

It's called "interpretation by imagination".

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If that is not referring to the 70 AD war, then what war is it referring to?

70 ad was not a war.

Judah was under roman rule. they were slaves, prisoners of rome. Rome just leveled their city and destroyed their temple.. and finished scattering Israel as Jesus said would happen.

Please learn what a war is..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You're still in your iniquity and unrighteousness.

non responsive..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

As expected, you have no evidence to support your Darby/Scofield claims.

It's called "interpretation by imagination".

which is exactly what your doing

Stop being a hypocrite when the same argument can be used against you

If you have no facts. or do not want to discuss just say so. I will leave you alone.

because right now. you are not offering me anything but your silly sidestepping the issue.. and attacking things which are not true.

 

[jeffweeder]

I noticed you cited the example of Noah but left the example of Lot out. Could that be because the story of Lot does not indicate all the wicked perishing? That throws a wrench into the Amill version of the second coming.

Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Luk 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
Luk 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Everyone knows this was NOT a global eradication of the wicked. It is a localized, partial destruction of the wicked and so was Noah's flood. They are sister stories teaching the same thing which is the righteous are taken to a place of safety while the wrath of God punished the wicked but only a certain amount of them are killed. The rest live on and we know why since Rev 2 and 19 tell us there is a reign over the unsaved nations after the second coming.

If you want to believe Noah flood was partial, then that is your choice.


Gen 5
11 The [population of the] earth was corrupt [absolutely depraved—spiritually and morally putrid] in God’s sight, and the land was filled with violence [desecration, infringement, outrage, assault, and lust for power]. 12 God looked on the earth and saw how debased and degenerate it was, for all humanity had corrupted their way on the earth and lost their true direction.

13 God said to Noah, “I intend to make an end of all that lives, for through men the land is filled with violence; and behold, I am about to destroy them together with the land.



The fast of the matter is that only the 8 people on the ark were saved.

1Pet 2
18 For indeed Christ died for sins once for all, the Just and Righteous for the unjust and unrighteous [the Innocent for the guilty] so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the Spirit; 19 in which He also went and preached to the spirits now in prison, 20 who once were disobedient, when the great patience of God was waiting in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons [Noah’s family], were brought safely through the water. 21 Corresponding to that [rescue through the flood], baptism [which is an expression of a believer’s new life in Christ] now saves you, not by removing dirt from the body, but by an appeal to God for a good (clear) conscience, [demonstrating what you believe to be yours] through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God [that is, the place of honor and authority], with [all] angels and authorities and powers made subservient to Him.


The sodom event illustrates the same as all in sodom were destroyed once the righteous were out of town.

1. Genesis 19:12
   And the [two] men (angels) asked Lot, “Have you any others here [in Sodom]—a son-in-law, and your sons, and your daughters? Whomever you have in the city, take them out of here;
2. Genesis 19:22
   Hurry and take refuge there, for I cannot do anything [to punish Sodom] until you arrive there.” For this reason the town was named Zoar (few, small).

 

[covenantee]

70 ad was not a war.

Judah was under roman rule. they were slaves, prisoners of rome. Rome just leveled their city and destroyed their temple.. and finished scattering Israel as Jesus said would happen.

Please learn what a war is..

If leveling their city, destroying their temple, and scattering them was not making war on them, then you don't understand the meaning of war.

Josephus recorded it as war.

Is English your 2nd or 3rd language?

 

[covenantee]

which is exactly what your doing

Stop being a hypocrite when the same argument can be used against you

If you have no facts. or do not want to discuss just say so. I will leave you alone.

because right now. you are not offering me anything but your silly sidestepping the issue.. and attacking things which are not true.

Josephus recorded infanticide and cannibalism by Jews.

You've recorded nothing.

Whom to believe?

1. You
2. Josephus

Do you need a hint?

 

[covenantee]

You're still in your iniquity and unrighteousness.

non responsive..

Why? Don't genuine Christians understand that Christ has paid the price for their iniquity and unrighteousness at Calvary?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes, people living through the time when fire destroys all the works of modern man. When 8 billion on earth are forever changed, most ending up in the LOF. Were there 8 billion destroyed in the Flood?

That future fire that will come down when Christ returns will not come down on all but 8 people in the world. Millions of Christians will be spared from that. So, no, in terms of the percentage of people it affects in the world, it will not be worse than the flood. You can't just go by total number of deaths to determine what is worse. They are many other ways to look at this.

 

[CadyandZoe]

70 ad was not a war.

Judah was under roman rule. they were slaves, prisoners of rome. Rome just leveled their city and destroyed their temple.. and finished scattering Israel as Jesus said would happen.

Please learn what a war is..

Josephus referred to it as "The Wars of the Jews." Perhaps that is what people consider when they call it a war?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Josephus referred to it as "The Wars of the Jews." Perhaps that is what people consider when they call it a war?

then the jews had been at war since babylon first took them..

they had been slaves ever since under 4 kingdoms (babylon, Media-Peria, Greece, then Rome)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Josephus recorded infanticide and cannibalism by Jews.

You've recorded nothing.

Whom to believe?

1. You
2. Josephus

Do you need a hint?

I read Josephus, and I have read the hitorical record of WW1 and WW2.

70 AD is bad, but not close to WW1 and WW2

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Why? Don't genuine Christians understand that Christ has paid the price for their iniquity and unrighteousness at Calvary?

Its not about christians,

its about the nation of Israel.

Again, if you read the first part of Daniel 9, you would see this.. Gabriels answer was to daneil concerning Daniels people and the holy city of Jerusalem..

His people are still in sin. And his city is still left desolate. because the 70 weeks are not yet over

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If leveling their city, destroying their temple, and scattering them was not making war on them, then you don't understand the meaning of war.

Josephus recorded it as war.

Is English your 2nd or 3rd language?

When your at war your at war..

70 AD was just Rome doing what it did..

War is 2 free nations fighting each other.

Israel was not free.

And there you go with your mock again. Dude you have to much pride in you. You need to repent. You do not act like a christian.. I would suggest you stop while you can, or learn how to discuss things..

 

[covenantee]

I read Josephus, and I have read the hitorical record of WW1 and WW2.

70 AD is bad, but not close to WW1 and WW2

So then provide evidence of infanticide and cannibalism by Jews during WW1 or WW2.
At the same time, how about evidence of mass crucifixions of Jews during WW1 or WW2?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I noticed you cited the example of Noah but left the example of Lot out. Could that be because the story of Lot does not indicate all the wicked perishing? That throws a wrench into the Amill version of the second coming.

Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Luk 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
Luk 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Everyone knows this was NOT a global eradication of the wicked. It is a localized, partial destruction of the wicked and so was Noah's flood. They are sister stories teaching the same thing which is the righteous are taken to a place of safety while the wrath of God punished the wicked but only a certain amount of them are killed. The rest live on and we know why since Rev 2 and 19 tell us there is a reign over the unsaved nations after the second coming.

All you have to do is use scripture to interpret scripture by reading 2 Peter 3:3-13 to see that the comparison to Noah's day is a comparison of the scope of what will happen when Christ returns to what happened in the flood.

Just as all unbelievers in the world were killed by the flood, all unbelievers in the world will be killed when Christ returns. The comparison to what happened on the day Lot went out of Sodom is related to the means by which people will be destroyed when Christ returns, which will be by fire, as Peter taught in 2 Peter 3:3-13. So, no wrench has been thrown into the Amill version of the second coming despite your desperate attempt to do so.

 

[covenantee]

When your at war your at war..

70 AD was just Rome doing what it did..

War is 2 free nations fighting each other.

Israel was not free.

And there you go with your mock again. Dude you have to much pride in you. You need to repent. You do not act like a christian.. I would suggest you stop while you can, or learn how to discuss things..

Some definitions of war:

a: a state of hostility, conflict, or antagonism
b: a struggle or competition between opposing forces or for a particular end

Which describe what was occurring in 70 AD.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

once again, the tribulation occurs AFTER the destruction of the city.

LOL. What? You can't be taken seriously when you say nonsense like this. What do you call the destruction of the city, child's play?

we know this,. because the abomination of desolation happens in the middle of the 70th week. long after the city was destroyed which did not occur until almost 40 years after the messiah was cut off. after the 69th week.

You know you need to completely rethink all of this when you conclude that the tribulation occurs after the destruction of the city. My goodness. Please disregard everything you think you know and start from scratch because right now your view is very far from the truth.