A Closer Look at the Genesis Creation Account

[Aunty Jane]

Mary was never with a man, so what is immaculate conception other than that?

She was a virgin when she conceived Jesus....but the doctrine of the immaculate conception pertains to Mary herself, not Jesus. Mary is said to have been immaculately conceived so as to bear a sinless Jesus.
Trouble is the Catholic Church claims her to be ever virgin.....but that is not what the Bible says......

Matthew 1:18-25.....
“Now the birth of Jesus the Messiah took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been engaged to Joseph, but before they lived together, she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit. Her husband Joseph, being a righteous man and unwilling to expose her to public disgrace, planned to dismiss her quietly. But just when he had resolved to do this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife, for the child conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. . . . .When Joseph awoke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him; he took her as his wife, but had no marital relations with her until she had borne a son; and he named him Jesus.” (NRSVCE)
And this is from a Catholic version of the Bible.....

Jesus was the oldest of at least six siblings.
Matthew 13:54-56...
“He came to his hometown and began to teach the people in their synagogue, so that they were astounded and said, “Where did this man get this wisdom and these deeds of power? Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all this?” (NRSVCE)

The church apparently has to ignore scripture in order to maintain the pagan mother goddess worship they adopted.
Madonna and child are ancient symbols.

 

[Aunty Jane]

We are body, soul and spirit, we are three, yet we are one.
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We are, but not in the way you think. Have you done any study of the meanings of these words?..."soul" and "spirit"?

The Bible's teaching is relatively simple.....a "soul" is a living breathing creature, both man and animals are called "souls" in the Bible.
Solomon wrote...
"for there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit. So man has no superiority over animals, for everything is futile. 20 All are going to the same place. They all come from the dust, and they all are returning to the dust."

Souls are mortal....they die. (Ezekiel 18:4) The word "soul" never means a disembodied spirit.

In the Genesis account of creation, Adam wasn't given a "soul" but "became" one when God started him breathing. (Genesis 2:7)
So the "breath" in man is his spirit which is the meaning of the word in both Hebrew and Greek.

That means that a body + breath (spirit) = a "soul".
We are not three but one body animated by the spirit that keeps us breathing. Once the last breath leaves our lungs, we are dead.
There is no part of man that survives death. It is the opposite of life.

The Bible teaches resurrection, not immortality of the soul.

 

[dad]

She was a virgin when she conceived Jesus....but the doctrine of the immaculate conception pertains to Mary herself, not Jesus. Mary is said to have been immaculately conceived so as to bear a sinless Jesus.
Trouble is the Catholic Church claims her to be ever virgin.....but that is not what the Bible says......

Oh really, I didn't know that. Ridiculous.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Oh really, I didn't know that. Ridiculous.

No more ridiculous than many of the RCC’s other doctrines.....purgatory.....idolatry....a literal hellfire....an earthly priesthood....infant baptism....absolution....a Pope living in a gold inlaid palace, sitting on billions of dollars worth of artworks and artefacts, while millions of Catholics around the world exist in abject poverty....the list is long.

“By their fruits” Jesus said, you will recognize his true disciples....

 

[Eternally Grateful]

How many hours are there between "evening and morning"? Evening to evening or morning to morning would be a 24 hour day......evening to morning is not a 24 hour day. So yes, it does mean something different to what many imagine it to mean.

its not 1000 or 10000 or 1000000 years. Of that we can rest assured.

God is the ultimate scientist...but he is a Creator, not a magician.

The same God who turned water to wine? Who parted the Red Sea? Who caused the earth to stop rotating for 24 hours? Who sent fire from heaven to totally engulf an alter full of water? Who flooded the whole earth?

Good to know you limit God in what he can or can not do.

I think that is all we need to know

That is an opinion, not a fact. Using the information available from the scriptures and to whom Genesis was given originally, Jehovah purposely did not include details that would have confused them....

Your right he did not

He said he created the heavens and the earth in 6 days and rested on the seventh, And the day he created the stars. He told them he created them as a means to seperate the night from the day, as signs and seasons. Etc etc.. on this DAY.. He meant it. The day he created them they shown their light on the earth. For which ‘twas their intended purpose.

like the existence of microscopic creatures that are a beneficial part of nature. It would take thousands of years for man to gain enough knowledge to find them and identify them....and then to appreciate Israel's quarantine laws thousands of years before we knew why he implemented them.

Lol.. Yeah. How long did it take mankind to invent a motor operating vehicle that worked? Are we holding God down to human limitations now? Or Can God not create man who is more complicated than any automobile in a day like he said?

What is time to an infinite Being? We are only confined by time because of the rotation of our planet.....how long are the days on other planets? It depends on how fast they spin.

I am not the one who said I created this in 6 days, that was God. Your the one questioning him (limiting him) not me.

How long is a "day" on earth compared to the other planets in our solar system? Time is relative. God does not exist in a realm where time means anything finite.

Last I read. Gd used time n earth. Not on Jupiter.

This is what we call reaching to support your theory. Not looking at the facts.

Where does it say that in the Bible? God transferred the life of his son to the womb of a Jewish virgin. Mary gave birth to a male child who was 100% human, but he was not "Almighty God" inhuman form.

Um. God seeded the female egg. There was no “in adam” in the body born by Mary, Now unless you can explain another reason Jospeh could not be the birth father of the child into whom Jehovah entered. I really can not understand why you can not see it

For the redemption of mankind, Jesus needed to be the equivalent of Adam, not the equivalent of God. God is immortal and cannot die.....so can mere humans kill God?
The trinity is not only illogical, it is unscriptural. It places God's created son on equal footing with his God and Father...a clear breach of the first Commandment. (Exodus 20:3)

A man can not die for the sins of the world. Only God can take all of mankind’s sin on his body and pay the ultimate eternal price for it.

If jesus was just a man, he could perhaps die for the sin of one other person.

As for the rest. As scripture said, Jesus set aside his being equal with God and humbled himself and became a man.

A man can not empty himself of being equal with God. No one is equal with God. No angel. No one

Rome was the ruling power when Jesus walked the earth. He said that the "Gentile Times" had to run their course and have power over Israel....and there were still two kingdoms to go until God's Kingdom was to come and replace them.

Luke 21:24 Jesus said....
"...Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled."
So, as Daniel had foretold, nations that had subjugated Israel, began with Babylon and the march of world powers to follow, were Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, Britain and finally in "the time of the end", an alliance with the USA which formed the Anglo-American dual world power....the last ruling entity on earth before God crushes all corrupt human rulership out of existence, and brings in the rule of his Kingdom, (Daniel 2:44)......the one Jesus taught us to pray for. (Matthew 6:9-10)

Read what John said

Revelation 17:10 There are also seven kings. Five havefallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time

Seven kings

5 have fallen

Egypt
Assyria
Babylon
Media persia
Greece

One is

Rome in christs day

One is yet to come

Future rome

The is Gods plan of the rule of the gentile or the time of the gentile

Paul in romans 11 states clearly. When the time of the gentile has been completed that all Israel will be saved.

A lot of things must happen before the end is here. I believe we are in the birth pangs, But we have not even started to see the end yet

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus was not related biologically to either Mary or Joseph because sin contaminated their DNA. It was an inherited flaw that was passed on from generation to generation, so it had to be genetic. (Romans 5:12) If Jesus had inherited his mother’s sin, he could not have redeemed the human race.

A sinless life had to be offered to pay the debt that Adam left to his children. So God implanted the life of his son into the womb of Mary, but for all intents and purposes, no one knew but Mary and Joseph, the circumstances of the birth of their firstborn. It was assumed that he had the genealogy of both parents.....dating back to Adam, who was also a created “Son of God”. Humans are never called “sons of God” unless they were created by him. They are referred to as a “son of man” meaning that they are created by humans through natural means....so Jesus was referred to as both, because he was the “Son of God”....and because he became a human through human birth.

Lol

Mary gave birth to Jesus and he came from her egg. But she has no biological relationship to her

Keep talking.. You make it to easy

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Oh really, I didn't know that. Ridiculous.

Did I hear her right?

Mary was miraculously conceived Not Jesus?

 

[Enoch111]

...a literal hellfire...

It was the Lord Jesus Christ -- who is God the Creator -- who taught about literal hellfire. So if you do not believe Him in this matter, then you do not really believe in Him or believe on Him.

 

[dad]

Did I hear her right?

Mary was miraculously conceived Not Jesus?

Apparently they think she also was. Yech

 

[Brakelite]

I'm sorry...what? You believe that man was created before the dinosaurs?

Listen to what I'm saying. Death came as a result of sin. Creation... The whole of creation... Suffered because of of Adams fall. Good created everything perfect wherein there was no disease, death, and food was by the way of plants... Not predatory destruction.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Apparently they think she also was. Yech

Well then they are really no better than the roman church..

 

[Aunty Jane]

It was the Lord Jesus Christ -- who is God the Creator -- who taught about literal hellfire. So if you do not believe Him in this matter, then you do not really believe in Him or believe on Him.

There is no literal hellfire.....do you want to talk about Gehenna? That is not “hell”......

Literal hellfire was created to scare the pants of those who had no Bible to read for themselves because the church took it away from the common people and kept them in ignorance for centuries.

How do you control the masses.....create fear and gain control. Look at what is happening in the world right now and see that the devil never changes his tactics.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Did I hear her right?

Mary was miraculously conceived Not Jesus?

Can we just clear this up? It is the RCC that believes Mary was immaculately conceived.....not me.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

There is no literal hellfire.....do you want to talk about Gehenna? That is not “hell”......

Literal hellfire was created to scare the pants of those who had no Bible to read for themselves because the church took it away from the common people and kept them in ignorance for centuries.

How do you control the masses.....create fear and gain control. Look at what is happening in the world right now and see that the devil never changes his tactics.

It just gets worse.

 

[Brakelite]

When God created the heavens and the Earth, He brought everything into existence in one almighty act of power......but we Earthlings have no way to know how he did it, or how long it took him in earth time. To an infinite God, time is not relevant.

Theistic evolution denigrates God. It has God creating a system that relies on death, suffering, trial and error and chance and human evolving from primitive species to today. Whether we are more or less primitive is debatable.
Theistic evolution has God creating a system whereby the animal world must kill and destroy in order to sustain life. Whereby the weaker becomes the victim of the strong. This is an abuse of the character and power of the Almighty, a theory which finds no support in scripture, is a denial of the fall and it's consequences, and therefore a denial of the gospel, and provides a segway into your church's misconception as to the identity, the deity, the sovieregnty(sic) and position of Christ in the Godhead.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Theistic evolution denigrates God. It has God creating a system that relies on death, suffering, trial and error and chance and human evolving from primitive species to today. Whether we are more or less primitive is debatable.
Theistic evolution has God creating a system whereby the animal world must kill and destroy in order to sustain life. Whereby the weaker becomes the victim of the strong. This is an abuse of the character and power of the Almighty, a theory which finds no support in scripture, is a denial of the fall and it's consequences, and therefore a denial of the gospel, and provides a segway into your church's misconception as to the identity, the deity, the sovieregnty(sic) and position of Christ in the Godhead.

Are you done now?
I am not a supporter of theistic evolution...never have been....never will be....we do not accept theistic evolution.....what we support is the Genesis account of creation as it was taught to the Jews, using words that Jews understood. There is no reason to cling to a 24 hour day in creation if that is not what Genesis says. There is so much more to the creation account than most people realize....you just have to take the blinkers off.

Just because I see science as a necessary tool in understanding the workings of nature, doesn't mean that I accept its unproven theories.
I am distressed that those who call themselves "Christians" can fly in the face of science to hang onto something the Bible does not say.
It makes YEC's look like brainwashed religious idiots. Science can agree with the Bible and vice versa....."adaptation" e.g. (erroneously called micro-evolution) has been proven by experiment and by observation. The ability of things to adapt to a change in environment or a new food source was seen by Darwin on the Galapagos Islands.....Darwin saw adapted varieties of finches but they were still finches. He saw marine iguanas who were clearly still part of the iguana family, but adapted to Island life....men took his notes and added to them, suggesting that if a little time could do that, then a lot of time could do more.....it was speculative then and it still is. Denying what science knows is one thing, pointing out errors in its theories is something else.

We are presently dealing with a virus that has mutated and changed itself for its own preservation....
You can't ignore all of science just because they teach evolution. You do your research and you can quickly sort fact from fiction. I've been doing that for years.
I personally love watching David Attenborough and have learned a lot from him, but when he starts on about evolution, I just mentally switch off.
I see the creation that he presents as coming from a loving and super intelligent Creator...regardless of what he says.

My God is in no way denigrated by true science.....it simply enhances my appreciation for how things work....adding to the sense of awe that creation bring with it.

Seems like many folk can't see the forest for the trees.....

 

[Enoch111]

There is no literal hellfire.....do you want to talk about Gehenna? That is not “hell”.....

Looks like you specialize in making God and Christ out to be liars. In the end you will give account for your perversion of the truth. So listen carefully to the words of Christ which call Gehenna exactly what it is -- Hell (the Lake of Fire).

MARK 9: THREE DIRE WARNINGS ABOUT HELL FROM CHRIST HIMSELF
42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell [Gehenna], into the fire that never shall be quenched: [everlasting fire] 44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell [Gehenna], into the fire that never shall be quenched: 46Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

47And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell [Gehenna] fire: 48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

1. Hell (the Lake of Fire) is in outer darkness, where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.

2. Hell was created for the devil and his angels, but now will also be a place for those who refuse to obey the Gospel and refuse to believe that Jesus is God.

3. "Where their worm dieth not" speaks of eternal torment in the Lake of Fire.

 

[Brakelite]

Are you done now?
I am not a supporter of theistic evolution...never have been....never will be....we do not accept theistic evolution.....what we support is the Genesis account of creation as it was taught to the Jews, using words that Jews understood. There is no reason to cling to a 24 hour day in creation if that is not what Genesis says. There is so much more to the creation account than most people realize....you just have to take the blinkers off.

Just because I see science as a necessary tool in understanding the workings of nature, doesn't mean that I accept its unproven theories.
I am distressed that those who call themselves "Christians" can fly in the face of science to hang onto something the Bible does not say.
It makes YEC's look like brainwashed religious idiots. Science can agree with the Bible and vice versa....."adaptation" e.g. (erroneously called micro-evolution) has been proven by experiment and by observation. The ability of things to adapt to a change in environment or a new food source was seen by Darwin on the Galapagos Islands.....Darwin saw adapted varieties of finches but they were still finches. He saw marine iguanas who were clearly still part of the iguana family, but adapted to Island life....men took his notes and added to them, suggesting that if a little time could do that, then a lot of time could do more.....it was speculative then and it still is. Denying what science knows is one thing, pointing out errors in its theories is something else.

We are presently dealing with a virus that has mutated and changed itself for its own preservation....
You can't ignore all of science just because they teach evolution. You do your research and you can quickly sort fact from fiction. I've been doing that for years.
I personally love watching David Attenborough and have learned a lot from him, but when he starts on about evolution, I just mentally switch off.
I see the creation that he presents as coming from a loving and super intelligent Creator...regardless of what he says.

My God is in no way denigrated by true science.....it simply enhances my appreciation for how things work....adding to the sense of awe that creation bring with it.

Seems like many folk can't see the forest for the trees.....

What do you mean, "are you done now"?
Seems a strange response when you don't address the actual point I was making in the post. I guess if you don't have an answer to the principle presented... That death was the result of the sin of Adam... And therefore nothing died, including dinosaurs, before the creation of Adam 6000 years ago, then I can't push for it huh.

 

[Aunty Jane]

What do you mean, "are you done now"?
Seems a strange response when you don't address the actual point I was making in the post. I guess if you don't have an answer to the principle presented... That death was the result of the sin of Adam... And therefore nothing died, including dinosaurs, before the creation of Adam 6000 years ago, then I can't push for it huh.

Sorry...I didn't know that was your point.....its nothing that I have ever heard of before.....the death of humans was the result of sin...not the death of everything else. What on earth gave you that idea?

 

[Brakelite]

Sorry...I didn't know that was your point.....its nothing that I have ever heard of before.....the death of humans was the result of sin...not the death of everything else. What on earth gave you that idea?

Because the God I know would create anything that relief on death in order to survive.