He speaks with passion about something that concerns and affects him directly:http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19007.htmSays Ron Paul is getting no press coverage because he opposes the war and the media and politicians benefit from the war. Warning: there are a few mild expletives. It is worth hearing him out even though the quality is uneven. The bottom clip does not seem to play, but the top one does.Blessings,Dunamite
A Soldier lashes out at politicians who back the war
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Show me a veteran who is eager to go back to war and I'll show you someone who is either: A non comatant service person who has never actuall seen battle or a combatant who has not really been in a fire fight. A Minor skirmish can leave one hungry for more, a battle when you have all the armor, artillery, and air support does not make for a battle. Engaging the enemy on equal terms or when he has the advantage is what really defiones combat. Few if any combat veterans are eager to go back. I was once a young and eager kid wanting to go to war. During the Gulf of Sidra incident, I was ready. Every Viet Nam Veteran would lecture me "Trust me! You don't want a war! Pray not for war but that cooler heads prevail among the leaders!" One former Marine was so fed up with my eagerness he slammed me against a wal and warned me "Pray for war in front of me again I'll Kill you!" 25 years later, we had to dive under a real ship in search of a real bomb and I now know how those combat veterans felt.
Being a veteran myself, I find chickenhawks who talk tough without presenting thier own bodies to fight just as disgusting as peacniks. When people talk about "Protecting our freedoms", They fail to explain exactly how the enemy can take them away. Are we really in danger of men dressed like Lawrence of Arabia patrolling our streets armed with AK's and RPG's forcing us to burn our Bibles and bow towards Mecca five times a day?Can you explain how enough of these men would be able to get over here on order to occupy all 50 states? OK, so we can rule out conventional invasion and occupation.So, if we have enough 9-11's we will all surrender and adopt thier Sharia laws? That would be more of an indictment of our lack of faith and courage than their evil.Whenever someone talls me "Thank you for your service" My response is "I cannot accept that for I have done nothing to earn it. If guilt by association is wrong, so to is praise by assocaition." When they ask what I did do, I explain "All I did was waste your tax dollars for 13 years by passing spit shine inspections. My only part in this war on terror was diving under a ship which turned out to have nothing planted on it and getting beaten up by a dolphin."
(BernieEOD;30046)
Can you explain how enough of these men would be able to get over here on order to occupy all 50 states?
If 12-20 million people are already here in the US illegally and most of them done so unarmed, what makes you think it would be any harder for the Islamofascist who might be armed to get in?
So, if we have enough 9-11's we will all surrender and adopt thier Sharia laws?
Enough 9-11s might set us back into a more nationalist WWII mentality along with a nuke mecca until it is a glass parking lot mentally.Trick would be
Can you explain how enough of these men would be able to get over here on order to occupy all 50 states?
If 12-20 million people are already here in the US illegally and most of them done so unarmed, what makes you think it would be any harder for the Islamofascist who might be armed to get in?
So, if we have enough 9-11's we will all surrender and adopt thier Sharia laws?
Enough 9-11s might set us back into a more nationalist WWII mentality along with a nuke mecca until it is a glass parking lot mentally.Trick would be
(jamesrage;30177)
If 12-20 million people are already here in the US illegally and most of them done so unarmed, what makes you think it would be any harder for the Islamofascist who might be armed to get in?And so they would be able to walk around unopposed and force us all to burn our Bibles and bow towards Mecca? In some of the Bluest cities maybe but then the Military would clean them out. In the red regions of the country, even if the government did nothing, they would get shot. We are in no danger of a conventional invasion and occupation.Enough 9-11s might set us back into a more nationalist WWII mentality along with a nuke mecca until it is a glass parking lot mentally.Trick would be
Initially it would but when enough of them happen and we can't stop it, most might surrender. One 9-11 every 8 or so years won't do it. Even if this did happen, fear of such a prospect is more of an indictmeny of our own cowerdace than thier evil. Invading other nations and shoving our godless ways down their throats will only bring about more 9-11's, not less.You might wave the flag ever higher if another 9-11 happens, I would simply shrug and say "Thats what we get for invading other nations"
If 12-20 million people are already here in the US illegally and most of them done so unarmed, what makes you think it would be any harder for the Islamofascist who might be armed to get in?And so they would be able to walk around unopposed and force us all to burn our Bibles and bow towards Mecca? In some of the Bluest cities maybe but then the Military would clean them out. In the red regions of the country, even if the government did nothing, they would get shot. We are in no danger of a conventional invasion and occupation.Enough 9-11s might set us back into a more nationalist WWII mentality along with a nuke mecca until it is a glass parking lot mentally.Trick would be
Initially it would but when enough of them happen and we can't stop it, most might surrender. One 9-11 every 8 or so years won't do it. Even if this did happen, fear of such a prospect is more of an indictmeny of our own cowerdace than thier evil. Invading other nations and shoving our godless ways down their throats will only bring about more 9-11's, not less.You might wave the flag ever higher if another 9-11 happens, I would simply shrug and say "Thats what we get for invading other nations"
(jamesrage;30177)
If 12-20 million people are already here in the US illegally and most of them done so unarmed, what makes you think it would be any harder for the Islamofascist who might be armed to get in?Enough 9-11s might set us back into a more nationalist WWII mentality along with a nuke mecca until it is a glass parking lot mentally.Trick would be
They don't need to do that. Our left wing militias (Street Gangs) are already doing enough of it. A bunch of cheering chickenhawks who send others to war or call upon our leaders to nuke a country is not something to look forward to. If we nuke anybody without getting nuked first, the entire world will gang up on us as described in the last days when the world wipes out Babylon.
If 12-20 million people are already here in the US illegally and most of them done so unarmed, what makes you think it would be any harder for the Islamofascist who might be armed to get in?Enough 9-11s might set us back into a more nationalist WWII mentality along with a nuke mecca until it is a glass parking lot mentally.Trick would be
They don't need to do that. Our left wing militias (Street Gangs) are already doing enough of it. A bunch of cheering chickenhawks who send others to war or call upon our leaders to nuke a country is not something to look forward to. If we nuke anybody without getting nuked first, the entire world will gang up on us as described in the last days when the world wipes out Babylon.
I am also a veteren although I myself have not seen combat, Praise the Lord, I agree with what BernieEOD has said here. There are few if any actual combat vets who want more. There are pleanty of people who thirst for combat, but combat supported by mounted armor, F/A-18s with laser guided bombs, and instant communications is hardly true combat. Those who thrist for combat actually thirst for violence and a chance to murder and kill. They may not see it that way because satan has clouded ther judgment. Where in the Bible is war praised? It's true that the is a time for war, but war should be avioded if at all possible. As far as another 9/11, as terrible as it is for me to say it, America kinda deserves it. We should focus on fixing our own problems before we tell the world what to do. America was based on Biblical principals. I think everyone here can agree that we have strayed far from that path. Let us focus on getting back to the basics our country was founded under. Freedom and Justice for all, for all, not just the minorities that whine loud enough to get the ACLU to represent them. Please do not get me wrong here. I love America. America has the most potential out of any country if we were to follow our principals and stay on the correct path. But changes are needed, of that I am without doubt.
Stolen thoughts from great minds:When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go and fight it. After my experience, I have come to hate war. War settles nothing: Dwight David Eisenhower - 34th president of the United States, 1890-1969I hate it when they say, 'He gave his life for his country.' Nobody gives their life for anything. We steal the lives of these kids. We take it away from them. They don't die for the honor and glory of their country. We kill them." : Admiral Gene LaRocqueThere is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but boys, it is all hell. You can bear this warning voice to generations yet to come. I look upon war with horror. --William Tecumseh Sherman (1820-1891), U.S. general. (From a speech, Columbus, Ohio, August 11, 1880)I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity. Dwight D. EisenhowerIt is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood...War is hell. -- General William Tecumseh Sherman They have always taught and trained you to believe it to be your patriotic duty to go to war and to have yourselves slaughtered at their command. But in all the history of the world you, the people, have never had a voice in declaring war, and strange as it certainly appears, no war by any nation in any age has ever been declared by the people: Eugene DebsTogether we must learn how to compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose. Dwight D. EisenhowerOur men . . . have killed to exterminate men, women, children, prisoners and captives, active insurgents and suspected people from lads of 10 up.... Our soldiers have pumped salt water into men to "make them talk," and have taken prisoners people who held up their hands and peacefully surrendered, and an hour later. . . stood them on a bridge and shot them down one by one, to drop into the water below and float down, as examples to those who found their bullet-loaded corpses.": Philadelphia Ledger newspaper in 1901, from its Manila [Philippines] correspondent during the US war with Spain for the control of the PhilippinesThe era of true peace on earth will not come as long as a tremendous percentage of your taxes goes to educate men in the trades of slaughter: Reginald Wright KauffmanThe most shocking fact about war is that its victims and its instruments are individual human beings, and that these individual beings are condemned by the monstrous conventions of politics to murder or be murdered in quarrels not their own: Aldous Huxley - English novelist and critic, 1894-1963The point of public relations slogans like "Support our troops" is that they don't mean anything... That's the whole point of good propaganda. You want to create a slogan that nobody's going to be against, and everybody's going to be for. Nobody knows what it means, because it doesn't mean anything. Its crucial value is that it diverts your attention from a question that does mean something: Do you support our policy? That's the one you're not allowed to talk about.": Noam ChomskyBlessings,Dunamite
Until the other siae actually starts shooting at you, there is always a chance to avert a war. Once someone begins shooting I would be among the first to shoot back.Until then, war should not be sought as an option."Support our troops" As you imply means nothing. Do you really support the troops by calling for a war? If you need to call for war, it means you call for us to start shooting first. Another famous quote: "Anyone who calls for war should present their own body in which to fight it" Teddy Roosevelt
(Dunamite;29937)
He speaks with passion about something that concerns and affects him directly:http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19007.htmSays Ron Paul is getting no press coverage because he opposes the war and the media and politicians benefit from the war. Warning: there are a few mild expletives. It is worth hearing him out even though the quality is uneven. The bottom clip does not seem to play, but the top one does.Blessings,Dunamite
When you sign your name on the dotted line to join the military you are agreeing to go to war ,no matter what it is for,who the president is or what country we are attacking,when you join the military that is what you sign up for.The military is a war occupation after all.Complaining you got to war when you are in the military is like a garbage man complaining he has to drive a trash truck or pick up trash cans off the side of the curb. If you hate war then do not join the military. Did that soldier think all he was going to do during his enlistment was sit on his rear and twiddle his thumbs all day?
He speaks with passion about something that concerns and affects him directly:http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19007.htmSays Ron Paul is getting no press coverage because he opposes the war and the media and politicians benefit from the war. Warning: there are a few mild expletives. It is worth hearing him out even though the quality is uneven. The bottom clip does not seem to play, but the top one does.Blessings,Dunamite
When you sign your name on the dotted line to join the military you are agreeing to go to war ,no matter what it is for,who the president is or what country we are attacking,when you join the military that is what you sign up for.The military is a war occupation after all.Complaining you got to war when you are in the military is like a garbage man complaining he has to drive a trash truck or pick up trash cans off the side of the curb. If you hate war then do not join the military. Did that soldier think all he was going to do during his enlistment was sit on his rear and twiddle his thumbs all day?
(BernieEOD;31393)
Until the other siae actually starts shooting at you, there is always a chance to avert a war. Once someone begins shooting I would be among the first to shoot back.
Didn't waiting until the enemy attacked us first is what cost us so many lives in WWII?If the allies would have put a stop to Hitler when he first violated the Versailles treaty instead of waiting until he attacked them first this world wouldn't have lost 40-50 million lives in a war.(10 million on those lives were on the enemy's side)
Until the other siae actually starts shooting at you, there is always a chance to avert a war. Once someone begins shooting I would be among the first to shoot back.
Didn't waiting until the enemy attacked us first is what cost us so many lives in WWII?If the allies would have put a stop to Hitler when he first violated the Versailles treaty instead of waiting until he attacked them first this world wouldn't have lost 40-50 million lives in a war.(10 million on those lives were on the enemy's side)
(jamesrage;31478)
When you sign your name on the dotted line to join the military you are agreeing to go to war ,no matter what it is for,who the president is or what country we are attacking,when you join the military that is what you sign up for.The military is a war occupation after all.Complaining you got to war when you are in the military is like a garbage man complaining he has to drive a trash truck or pick up trash cans off the side of the curb. If you hate war then do not join the military. Did that soldier think all he was going to do during his enlistment was sit on his rear and twiddle his thumbs all day?
Forget the patriotic propaganda, forget about the promises recruiters make.The military isn't like what the images you see and neocon talk show propagandists who themselves never serves tell you it's like. You believe the propaganda you were fed and when you join up, you find out it isn't what you thought it would be like. As far as going to war. When I was going through basic training, We were told that America NEVER! EVER! atacks first....EVER! Now, we are going to war in order to impose western godlessness upon the Islamic world and call it liberation, just like the Commies did before us. Nuremburg established that "I was only obeying orders" Is not a valid excuse. This was once again re established when two former East German border guards were sentenced to 10 years in prison for shooting People trying to escape. They too signed on the dotted lne and pledged to obey the orders of those appointed over them and we did not excuse them. In short, they had some "Moral abligation" to refuse to carry out thier duty and face whatever punishment the system delved out. Now, you wish to impose the same blind obedience which we ourselves have been known to punish others for? Invading other nations and imposing our permissive ways which leads to drugs, teen sex, abortions, gangs, and other godless vices is plain wrong. I was fortunate since the Navy isn't invited to this war, they actually forced me to retire only to offer me a reprieve when it bacema apparent that my NEC might be needed. I had a choice, submit a request to waiver mandatory retiremen or submit my retirement papers. Since I did no believe in what was then the up and comming war, I chose to retire.
When you sign your name on the dotted line to join the military you are agreeing to go to war ,no matter what it is for,who the president is or what country we are attacking,when you join the military that is what you sign up for.The military is a war occupation after all.Complaining you got to war when you are in the military is like a garbage man complaining he has to drive a trash truck or pick up trash cans off the side of the curb. If you hate war then do not join the military. Did that soldier think all he was going to do during his enlistment was sit on his rear and twiddle his thumbs all day?
Forget the patriotic propaganda, forget about the promises recruiters make.The military isn't like what the images you see and neocon talk show propagandists who themselves never serves tell you it's like. You believe the propaganda you were fed and when you join up, you find out it isn't what you thought it would be like. As far as going to war. When I was going through basic training, We were told that America NEVER! EVER! atacks first....EVER! Now, we are going to war in order to impose western godlessness upon the Islamic world and call it liberation, just like the Commies did before us. Nuremburg established that "I was only obeying orders" Is not a valid excuse. This was once again re established when two former East German border guards were sentenced to 10 years in prison for shooting People trying to escape. They too signed on the dotted lne and pledged to obey the orders of those appointed over them and we did not excuse them. In short, they had some "Moral abligation" to refuse to carry out thier duty and face whatever punishment the system delved out. Now, you wish to impose the same blind obedience which we ourselves have been known to punish others for? Invading other nations and imposing our permissive ways which leads to drugs, teen sex, abortions, gangs, and other godless vices is plain wrong. I was fortunate since the Navy isn't invited to this war, they actually forced me to retire only to offer me a reprieve when it bacema apparent that my NEC might be needed. I had a choice, submit a request to waiver mandatory retiremen or submit my retirement papers. Since I did no believe in what was then the up and comming war, I chose to retire.
(jamesrage;31479)
Didn't waiting until the enemy attacked us first is what cost us so many lives in WWII?If the allies would have put a stop to Hitler when he first violated the Versailles treaty instead of waiting until he attacked them first this world wouldn't have lost 40-50 million lives in a war.(10 million on those lives were on the enemy's side)
You love to talk about Hilter. As though evrything was just fine until he came on the scene. So, you are going toimply that the so called Allies should have gone to war earlier and forced Germany to continue to endure rampant crime, 1000% Infalation, 65% unemployment, and a complet collapse? Had you stopped the Nazis, do you realise what would have happened?The Wiemar republic was dead. There was no way the Germans were going to put up with the Treaty of Versales any longer. Germany was going to go one of two ways. The Nazis or the Redfront. Defeating the Nazis would ave made germany into a Soviet Socialist Republic and with German engineering, the Soviet Union would be the dominant power today. Everything from the P-51 fighter to key designes of the B-24 to the Atomic bomb were all products of Germans who fled the Nazis. Russia would have gotten them instead.Europe created Hitler, Europe deserved Hitler. And don't bring up the Jews for I challenge you to come up with one, just one document from WW2 where "Save the Jews" was ever mentioned. The awfull truth is that the Nazis "Final solution" came after several other solutions were attempted. The Nazis called upon the world to take them off their hands and the world rejected them. Try looking up the voyage of the St Louis sometime. FDR personally ordered that if that Ship full of Jews entered US waters, the Caot Guard was not only to sink t but to machine gun the survivors in the water!A former Aid of FDR claims that FDR was outraged at so many Jews having survived in spite of in his words "Giving the Nazis more than enough time to finish the job". Care to discuss how many people the allies liberated only to hand tem over to Stalin? Many were liberated from Nazi concentration camps only to be driven at bayonet point into Soviet Gulags! Sorry, but any moral high grond you claim in WW2 is overhadowed by those we fed to Stalin.
Didn't waiting until the enemy attacked us first is what cost us so many lives in WWII?If the allies would have put a stop to Hitler when he first violated the Versailles treaty instead of waiting until he attacked them first this world wouldn't have lost 40-50 million lives in a war.(10 million on those lives were on the enemy's side)
You love to talk about Hilter. As though evrything was just fine until he came on the scene. So, you are going toimply that the so called Allies should have gone to war earlier and forced Germany to continue to endure rampant crime, 1000% Infalation, 65% unemployment, and a complet collapse? Had you stopped the Nazis, do you realise what would have happened?The Wiemar republic was dead. There was no way the Germans were going to put up with the Treaty of Versales any longer. Germany was going to go one of two ways. The Nazis or the Redfront. Defeating the Nazis would ave made germany into a Soviet Socialist Republic and with German engineering, the Soviet Union would be the dominant power today. Everything from the P-51 fighter to key designes of the B-24 to the Atomic bomb were all products of Germans who fled the Nazis. Russia would have gotten them instead.Europe created Hitler, Europe deserved Hitler. And don't bring up the Jews for I challenge you to come up with one, just one document from WW2 where "Save the Jews" was ever mentioned. The awfull truth is that the Nazis "Final solution" came after several other solutions were attempted. The Nazis called upon the world to take them off their hands and the world rejected them. Try looking up the voyage of the St Louis sometime. FDR personally ordered that if that Ship full of Jews entered US waters, the Caot Guard was not only to sink t but to machine gun the survivors in the water!A former Aid of FDR claims that FDR was outraged at so many Jews having survived in spite of in his words "Giving the Nazis more than enough time to finish the job". Care to discuss how many people the allies liberated only to hand tem over to Stalin? Many were liberated from Nazi concentration camps only to be driven at bayonet point into Soviet Gulags! Sorry, but any moral high grond you claim in WW2 is overhadowed by those we fed to Stalin.
In fact, it was our involvement in WW1 that helped bring the Nazis to power. Had we stayed out of that one, "Those stupid Europeans" As we were calling them back then would have gotten tired of killing each other and come up with a more equitable peace.A peace that would nt have plunged Gemany into depression.A Peace that would not have brought about the reckless spending nations were engaging in based on money they were expecting Germany to pay.A peace that would not have brought about the reat depression.A peace that would not have given the Nazis the opportinity to take power.And the name Hitler would be alongside Picasso, Rembrant, and other artists.
(jamesrage;31478)
When you sign your name on the dotted line to join the military you are agreeing to go to war ,no matter what it is for,who the president is or what country we are attacking,when you join the military that is what you sign up for.The military is a war occupation after all.Complaining you got to war when you are in the military is like a garbage man complaining he has to drive a trash truck or pick up trash cans off the side of the curb. If you hate war then do not join the military. Did that soldier think all he was going to do during his enlistment was sit on his rear and twiddle his thumbs all day?
Unless YOU yourself served, you are in no position to condem those who have actually been there. We have Rush, Sean, and othr neocons now proclaiming that any servicman who comes back disillusiones is a "Phoney Soldier" I love it when those who have never been there end up telling those who were what is really happening. Shall we discuss other disillusioned Soldiers in our history? The main reason Americans were not willing to go to war in Europe is that WW1 veterans felt they were suckered into the last one. The Treaty of Versales soured Americans on Europe. In Fact, FDR only called for a declaration of war against Japan. Only when Hitler declared war on America did it truly become WW2.- Ever wonder why Davey Crocket was in Texas? He resigned his comission when Andrew Jackson sent him to fight the Indians instead of the British. He proclaimed "I have more in common with the enemy than with the side I am fighting on!" As a congreesman, he voted against the Indian relocation Bill in spite of his constituents being nearly 100% for it and was driven from office and from his home state.- Kevin Tillman, borther of the late Pat Tillman is another disillusioned vet. He claims his brother Pat shared his disgust with the war but chose to homor their enlistment and not speak out until they were discharged.- Many National Guardsman resigned from the Guard after the LA riots because they were briefed that their mission was to protect the looters from armed citizens.- A cook at our local Denny's came back from Iraq disappointed becuse he didn't get any real "Trigger time" He was eager to go to OCS and go back. He resigned when on his drill weekends he was told "Your Iraq war stories don't matter! THIS is how we do things!"- More and more Vets come back disgusted claiming they are being told "Forget the hype about liberating Iraq! We are here to terrorise them into submission!"We like to believe that "Disillusioned" is a bad thing. In truth, it means "Removal of illusion" So it should be considered good to be "Disillusioned". After all, we don't treat disillusioned people with "Re illusionment therapy" Do we?
When you sign your name on the dotted line to join the military you are agreeing to go to war ,no matter what it is for,who the president is or what country we are attacking,when you join the military that is what you sign up for.The military is a war occupation after all.Complaining you got to war when you are in the military is like a garbage man complaining he has to drive a trash truck or pick up trash cans off the side of the curb. If you hate war then do not join the military. Did that soldier think all he was going to do during his enlistment was sit on his rear and twiddle his thumbs all day?
Unless YOU yourself served, you are in no position to condem those who have actually been there. We have Rush, Sean, and othr neocons now proclaiming that any servicman who comes back disillusiones is a "Phoney Soldier" I love it when those who have never been there end up telling those who were what is really happening. Shall we discuss other disillusioned Soldiers in our history? The main reason Americans were not willing to go to war in Europe is that WW1 veterans felt they were suckered into the last one. The Treaty of Versales soured Americans on Europe. In Fact, FDR only called for a declaration of war against Japan. Only when Hitler declared war on America did it truly become WW2.- Ever wonder why Davey Crocket was in Texas? He resigned his comission when Andrew Jackson sent him to fight the Indians instead of the British. He proclaimed "I have more in common with the enemy than with the side I am fighting on!" As a congreesman, he voted against the Indian relocation Bill in spite of his constituents being nearly 100% for it and was driven from office and from his home state.- Kevin Tillman, borther of the late Pat Tillman is another disillusioned vet. He claims his brother Pat shared his disgust with the war but chose to homor their enlistment and not speak out until they were discharged.- Many National Guardsman resigned from the Guard after the LA riots because they were briefed that their mission was to protect the looters from armed citizens.- A cook at our local Denny's came back from Iraq disappointed becuse he didn't get any real "Trigger time" He was eager to go to OCS and go back. He resigned when on his drill weekends he was told "Your Iraq war stories don't matter! THIS is how we do things!"- More and more Vets come back disgusted claiming they are being told "Forget the hype about liberating Iraq! We are here to terrorise them into submission!"We like to believe that "Disillusioned" is a bad thing. In truth, it means "Removal of illusion" So it should be considered good to be "Disillusioned". After all, we don't treat disillusioned people with "Re illusionment therapy" Do we?
(jamesrage;31478)
When you sign your name on the dotted line to join the military you are agreeing to go to war ,no matter what it is for,who the president is or what country we are attacking,when you join the military that is what you sign up for.The military is a war occupation after all.Complaining you got to war when you are in the military is like a garbage man complaining he has to drive a trash truck or pick up trash cans off the side of the curb. If you hate war then do not join the military. Did that soldier think all he was going to do during his enlistment was sit on his rear and twiddle his thumbs all day?
A garbage man does have the right to complain about: - You leaving your containers at the curb, if you don't put it out, don't complain about lack of pick up.- That he is actually picking up garbage and not hazardous waste.- That his truck is in good working order- His hours are reasonable and he gets compensated for overtime- He has the proper sefety equipmentLikewise, when there is a call up for a war:- The cause is just- There is a real threat- You are adaquately trained- Adaquately equipped- Allowed to do your job- Have competant leaders- That there is a plan- That you have a real job in the war effort When you join up and find that none of these are being met, you have a right to be disillusioned.And by the way, "Don't join" is not an option in a real war. In one such as this one. In the words off Teddy Roosevelt "Anyone who calls for war should present their own bodies in which to fight it".So, if you are so much for the war, get in uniform and get over there.
When you sign your name on the dotted line to join the military you are agreeing to go to war ,no matter what it is for,who the president is or what country we are attacking,when you join the military that is what you sign up for.The military is a war occupation after all.Complaining you got to war when you are in the military is like a garbage man complaining he has to drive a trash truck or pick up trash cans off the side of the curb. If you hate war then do not join the military. Did that soldier think all he was going to do during his enlistment was sit on his rear and twiddle his thumbs all day?
A garbage man does have the right to complain about: - You leaving your containers at the curb, if you don't put it out, don't complain about lack of pick up.- That he is actually picking up garbage and not hazardous waste.- That his truck is in good working order- His hours are reasonable and he gets compensated for overtime- He has the proper sefety equipmentLikewise, when there is a call up for a war:- The cause is just- There is a real threat- You are adaquately trained- Adaquately equipped- Allowed to do your job- Have competant leaders- That there is a plan- That you have a real job in the war effort When you join up and find that none of these are being met, you have a right to be disillusioned.And by the way, "Don't join" is not an option in a real war. In one such as this one. In the words off Teddy Roosevelt "Anyone who calls for war should present their own bodies in which to fight it".So, if you are so much for the war, get in uniform and get over there.
(BernieEOD;31506)
Unless YOU yourself served, you are in no position to condem those who have actually been there.
I served three years in the Army as a infantry soldier.So I wasn't under any delusions of what the overall job description of the military was.It doesn't have to take a former service member to realize the military is a war occupation.
The main reason Americans were not willing to go to war in Europe is that WW1 veterans felt they were suckered into the last one. The Treaty of Versales soured Americans on Europe. In Fact, FDR only called for a declaration of war against Japan. Only when Hitler declared war on America did it truly become WW2.
Again if we would have stopped Hitler the second he violate the treaty of Versailles WWII wouldn't have resulted in 40-50 million deaths.
Unless YOU yourself served, you are in no position to condem those who have actually been there.
I served three years in the Army as a infantry soldier.So I wasn't under any delusions of what the overall job description of the military was.It doesn't have to take a former service member to realize the military is a war occupation.
The main reason Americans were not willing to go to war in Europe is that WW1 veterans felt they were suckered into the last one. The Treaty of Versales soured Americans on Europe. In Fact, FDR only called for a declaration of war against Japan. Only when Hitler declared war on America did it truly become WW2.
Again if we would have stopped Hitler the second he violate the treaty of Versailles WWII wouldn't have resulted in 40-50 million deaths.
BernieEOD;31509]A garbage man does have the right to complain about: - You leaving your containers at the curb said:Doesn't change the fact that a garbage man's job is to pick up trash off the side of the curb or sometimes drive a trash truckLikewise, when there is a call up for a war:That does not change the fact the military is a war occupation and that If you do not want to go to war then do not sign up.Nobody signs up to be a garbage man because they think they are not going to deal with trash nor does anyone sign up to be a police office and think they won't have to deal with criminals and paper work.- The cause is just- There is a real threat- You are adaquately trained- Adaquately equipped- Allowed to do your job- Have competant leaders- That there is a plan- That you have a real job in the war effortIf you are disillusioned about your military service it is because you thought you would just to collect a check and never have the chance of going to war.When you join up and find that none of these are being met, you have a right to be disillusioned.Since the draft was ended yes it is.And by the way, "Don't join" is not an option in a real war.
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