(DrBubbaLove;33257)
Good for you! Probably better for you to stay away from such places. Well you know where to find me. My point was there are plenty of people who have served without being disillusioned even though they disagreed with the politics that got them there and they did not have to or want to go on TV to complain about it when they were done. Every unit I have seen has unhappy people in it, just like the ones we see on TV. The office is no different. But the plight of these people has nothing to do with politics or why the government did this or that. They are just unhappy, disgruntled, bitter people.And no matter what a person's religious, personal opinion or politics are, across the board you can find a hundred other men that; while maybe unhappy with the current administration, politics or even disagreeing with the mission; they were not only happy but also proud to be soldiers serving this country. And no matter what their political opinions, very very few of them would ever seek out a lime light focusing on their service, either negatively or positively UNLESS there was some advantage to them for doing so. Am not a big fan, but Montel Williams has a record to be proud of and he does not typically speak of it and is very modest when he has. That has been my experience.In short, if in fact these people we see now were soldiers in combat, it is more likely that what is bothering them now has nothing to do with being a soldier or what they did or were asked to do. For every sad Vietnam war vet one can show, there were hundreds of others that went through the same thing or far worse and you would never know it. How many people outside the military realized the horrors Admiral Jim Stockdale, (Ross Perot's running mate for most of you) lived through?
Are you implying that these veterans, even after serving thier time and discharged have some duty to ignore thier experience and eithe keep thier mouth shut or join the flag waiving spectators? If something is wrong, I believe we have not ony a right but a duty to speak up. Blind patriotism is UnAmerican. Davy Crocket joined up the fight the British at New Orleans only to find himslef being sent to Florida to fight the Indians there. He ended up challenging "Old Hickory" Andrew Jackson and resigned his comission stating "I have more in common with the enemy". Why was he in Texas?Because as a Congressman, he once again challenged Old Hickory who was now the President. He voted against the Indian relocation bill in spite of his constituancy supporting it. Back then, it was considered a serious offence and a representative could be recalled from office. Davy Crocket resigned his office before tis could happen and in disgust stated "I'm going to Texas".PNAC is not a new idea. From the day we won Independence, there were tose who believed it was our sacred duty to spread the revolution throughout the world. Goerge Washington as President experience riots in the streets of Philidalphia for refusing to get involved in the French revolution. In his memiors, he stated how only those who never experienced war were calling for it.General Swartzkoff himself warned against going to war in front of Congress and was branded a traitor for simply expressing his professional opinion.Likewise, Powel is also being scoffed at. Blind patriotism has never been an American trait. Ask the British.
Good for you! Probably better for you to stay away from such places. Well you know where to find me. My point was there are plenty of people who have served without being disillusioned even though they disagreed with the politics that got them there and they did not have to or want to go on TV to complain about it when they were done. Every unit I have seen has unhappy people in it, just like the ones we see on TV. The office is no different. But the plight of these people has nothing to do with politics or why the government did this or that. They are just unhappy, disgruntled, bitter people.And no matter what a person's religious, personal opinion or politics are, across the board you can find a hundred other men that; while maybe unhappy with the current administration, politics or even disagreeing with the mission; they were not only happy but also proud to be soldiers serving this country. And no matter what their political opinions, very very few of them would ever seek out a lime light focusing on their service, either negatively or positively UNLESS there was some advantage to them for doing so. Am not a big fan, but Montel Williams has a record to be proud of and he does not typically speak of it and is very modest when he has. That has been my experience.In short, if in fact these people we see now were soldiers in combat, it is more likely that what is bothering them now has nothing to do with being a soldier or what they did or were asked to do. For every sad Vietnam war vet one can show, there were hundreds of others that went through the same thing or far worse and you would never know it. How many people outside the military realized the horrors Admiral Jim Stockdale, (Ross Perot's running mate for most of you) lived through?
Are you implying that these veterans, even after serving thier time and discharged have some duty to ignore thier experience and eithe keep thier mouth shut or join the flag waiving spectators? If something is wrong, I believe we have not ony a right but a duty to speak up. Blind patriotism is UnAmerican. Davy Crocket joined up the fight the British at New Orleans only to find himslef being sent to Florida to fight the Indians there. He ended up challenging "Old Hickory" Andrew Jackson and resigned his comission stating "I have more in common with the enemy". Why was he in Texas?Because as a Congressman, he once again challenged Old Hickory who was now the President. He voted against the Indian relocation bill in spite of his constituancy supporting it. Back then, it was considered a serious offence and a representative could be recalled from office. Davy Crocket resigned his office before tis could happen and in disgust stated "I'm going to Texas".PNAC is not a new idea. From the day we won Independence, there were tose who believed it was our sacred duty to spread the revolution throughout the world. Goerge Washington as President experience riots in the streets of Philidalphia for refusing to get involved in the French revolution. In his memiors, he stated how only those who never experienced war were calling for it.General Swartzkoff himself warned against going to war in front of Congress and was branded a traitor for simply expressing his professional opinion.Likewise, Powel is also being scoffed at. Blind patriotism has never been an American trait. Ask the British.
