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The opposite is true. You are not factoring in the power of deception by the flesh...and self-interest. I know you like to piggy-back on my statements...but you are doing this to continue in your deception.

Why does a person NOT factor in the carnal mind and the self-interest it engenders? Because it IS the carnal mind at work.

Any non-indoctrinated person would see the vast difference between building on something in you...and something that is in Christ.

You are assuming that having a template of Christ...to be added to with whatever materials you deem to be appropriate...is the same thing as going to where Christ IS and building in the heavenly realm.

Obviously you see abiding in Christ to be where HE IS as something that happens when you "go to heaven." (I'm using religious speak here for your understanding)

Read John 14...and the abodes that Jesus says...that where I am, you may be also" Most non-spiritual believers see that as a future after-life abiding...the heavenly mansions and such.

And yet John 15, using the very same word for abiding is understood to mean right now. Where are we to abide if we can only inhabit abiding places in some after life?

Abiding in Christ is through being translated into the higher walk in Zion WHERE Jesus is. That is NOT the same as trying to be more Christlike based on a sample of grace. Will you be now made perfect through your own understanding?

You are missing the scale...by a whole dimension. ...the kingdom dimension.
Sorry but another false dichotomy since " Christ in you " is Biblical. So believers have Christ in them, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to lead and guide them, to discern, to walk in Him, to have the mind of Christ, to bear fruit etc.......

nice try though as she is a born again believer with the Holy Spirit in her. since we all have the Holy Spirit in us we cannot all be wrong and you are right. That would be an oxymoron and make God out to be a liar.

hope this helps !!!
 

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LOL. You don't understand when someone actually experiences the walk in Christ...
This bizarre phrase that you love to redundantly repost.... " the higher walk in Zion"...

Chapter and verse in a REAL Bible, please?

Take your time, as there are over 300 versions that dont have that one in it.. much less a real Bible.

Or, you could just post the Title of the commentary and the name of the WRITER who created that strange phrase, so that we can actually see who you are teaching as your theology.
I dont think you have the courage to post that information.. Episkopos., but, maybe you can prove that you do.....

We are still waiting, @Episkopos
 
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This bizarre phrase that you love to redundantly repost.... " the higher walk in Zion"...

Chapter and verse in a REAL Bible, please?

Take your time, as there are over 300 versions that dont have that one in it.. much less a real Bible.

Or, you could just post the Title of the commentary and the name of the WRITER who created that strange phrase, so that we can actually see who you are teaching as your theology.
I dont think you have the courage to post that information.. Episkopos., but, maybe you can prove that you do.....

We are still waiting, @Episkopos
there is no such animal as we all know, its unbiblical. :)
 

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This bizarre phrase that you love to redundantly repost.... " the higher walk in Zion"...

Chapter and verse in a REAL Bible, please?

Take your time, as there are over 300 versions that dont have that one in it.. much less a real Bible.

Or, you could just post the Title of the commentary and the name of the WRITER who created that strange phrase, so that we can actually see who you are teaching as your theology.
I dont think you have the courage to post that information.. Episkopos., but, maybe you can prove that you do.....
Hilarious, you claim to be born again...where from?

I don't tell you where these things are in the bible because you will merely parrot those verses and make it harder for the next spiritual Christian to discern your falsity.

I've seen this take place numerous times. You are learning from me...very slowly, changing your words to reflect deeper truth...without any understanding of it. You become more clever in your deception.

So then thank you for NOT knowing anything about the high calling...at least not until God allows you to be translated into that walk.
 

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there is no such animal as we all know, its unbiblical. :)

Welcome to the ministry of Episkopos.

1.) Twist the Bible

2.) Teach that Jesus is a "Whipping Boy"

3.) Teach that The Grace of God is 'Free Stuff"

4.) Claim that people who are trusting in Christ are "Ego Bloated"

5.) Be allowed to do it for 12 yrs on this Forum.
 
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The opposite is true. You are not factoring in the power of deception by the flesh...and self-interest. I know you like to piggy-back on my statements...but you are doing this to continue in your deception.

Why does a person NOT factor in the carnal mind and the self-interest it engenders? Because it IS the carnal mind at work.

Any non-indoctrinated person would see the vast difference between building on something in you...and something that is in Christ.

You are assuming that having a template of Christ...to be added to with whatever materials you deem to be appropriate...is the same thing as going to where Christ IS and building in the heavenly realm.

Obviously you see abiding in Christ to be where HE IS as something that happens when you "go to heaven." (I'm using religious speak here for your understanding)

Read John 14...and the abodes that Jesus says...that where I am, you may be also" Most non-spiritual believers see that as a future after-life abiding...the heavenly mansions and such.

And yet John 15, using the very same word for abiding is understood to mean right now. Where are we to abide if we can only inhabit abiding places in some after life?

Abiding in Christ is through being translated into the higher walk in Zion WHERE Jesus is. That is NOT the same as trying to be more Christlike based on a sample of grace. Will you be now made perfect through your own understanding?

You are missing the scale...by a whole dimension. ...the kingdom dimension.
2 Tim 2:19-21
19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The
Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of
Christ depart from iniquity.
20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but
also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto
honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every
good work.

1 Cor 3:10-17
10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise
masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let
every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W Z 31

12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones,
wood, hay, stubble;

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it,
because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of
what sort it is.

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a
reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall
be saved; yet so as by fire.

16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God
dwelleth in you?

17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of
God is holy, which temple ye are.

"by it having put to death the enmity"
NKJV"thereby putting to death the enmity"
NRSV"thus putting to death that hostility through it"
TEV"Christ destroyed the enmity"
NJB"in his own person he killed the hostility"

The English translations show that this phrase can be understood in two ways. This is because the singular pronoun can be a dative masculine (TEV, NJB) or dative neuter (NASB, NRSV). In context either is possible. The emphasis of the larger context is on Christ's finished redemptive work.

2:17 This is an allusion to Isa. 57:19 or possibly 52:7. Paul, by typological exegesis, applied OT texts to exiled Jews to Gentiles. Even the rabbis, going back to Isa. 56:6, used this phrase to refer to Gentile proselytes.

2:18 The work of the Triune Godhead is clearly stated in this book (cf. Eph. 1:3-14,17; 2:18; 4:4-6). Although the term "trinity" is not a biblical word, the concept surely is (cf. Matt. 3:16-17; 28:19; John 14:26; Acts 2:33-34,38-39; Rom. 1:4-5; 5:1,5; 8:9-10; 1 Cor. 12:4-6; 2 Cor. 1:21-22; 13:14; Gal. 4:4-6; Eph. 1:3-14; 2:18; 3:14-17; 4:4-6; 1 Thess. 1:2-5; 2 Thess. 2:13; Titus 3:4-6; 1 Pet. 1:2; Jude 20-21).

"we both have our access"

This is a present active indicative meaning "we continue to have access." This is the concept of Jesus personally bringing believers into the presence of God and giving them a personal introduction (cf. Rom. 5:2; it is also used in the sense of confidence in Heb. 4:16; 10:19,35).

"in one Spirit"


This is also emphasized in Ephesians 4:4. The false teachers were causing disunity, but the Spirit brought unity (not uniformity)!

2:19 The Gentiles who were estranged (Eph. 2:11-12) are now fully included. This is clearly stated by the use of four common biblical metaphors.

1. fellow citizens (city)

2. saints (holy nation set apart for God)

3. God's household (family members)

4. a spiritual building (temple, Eph. 2:20-22a)




2:20 "having been built upon"

This is an aorist passive participle. The foundation (cf. Eph. 2:12) of our faith has been fully, finally, and completely laid by the Triune God. God's good news was proclaimed by the Apostles and prophets (cf. Eph. 3:5).

"the foundation of the apostles and prophets"

Jesus laid the foundation of the gospel (cf. 1 Cor. 3:11). Jesus is the new temple (cf. John 2:19-22). The OT prophesied the coming Kingdom of God, Jesus' Spirit-led life, death, and resurrection accomplished it, and the Apostles preached its reality. The only question is, to whom does the term "prophets" refer? Are they OT prophets or NT prophets (cf. Eph. 3:5; 4:1)? The order of the terms implies NT prophets (cf. Eph. 2:3:5; 4:11), but the OT Messianic allusion to the "cornerstone" implies OT prophecy.

The reason for the distinction between OT and NT prophets is the issue of revelation. OT prophets wrote Scripture. They were God's instrument of inspired self-disclosure. However, prophecy is an ongoing gift in the NT (1 Cor. 12:28; Eph. 4:11). Does Scripture writing continue? There must be a distinction drawn between inspiration (Apostles and OT prophets) and illumination and spiritual giftedness (NT gifted believers).



"the cornerstone"

This is an OT Messianic metaphor (cf. Isa. 28:16; Ps. 118:22; 1 Pet. 2:4-8). In the OT God's stability, strength and perseverance are often visualized in "Rock" as a title (cf. Deut. 32:4, 15, 18, 30; Ps. 18:2, 31, 46; 28:1; 31:3; 42:9; 71:3; 78:15).

The metaphor of Jesus as a stone.

1. a rejected stone - Ps. 118:22

2. a building stone - Ps. 118:22; Isa. 28:16

3. a stone to stumble over - Isa. 8:14-15

4. an overcoming and conquering stone (kingdom) - Dan. 2:45

5. Jesus used these passages to describe Himself (cf. Matt. 21:42; Mark 12:10; Luke 20:17)

He was the key construction item who was ignored in OT ritualism and legalism (cf. Isa. 8:14).



2:21-22 The collective or corporate idea of God's people seen in Eph. 2:19 (twice), 21 and 22 was expressed in the plural "saints." To be saved is to be part of a family, a building, a body, a temple (cf. Eph. 1:23; 4:16; Col. 2:19).

The concept of the church as a temple is expressed in 1 Cor. 3:16-17. This is an emphasis on the corporate nature of the church. The individual aspect was expressed in 1 Cor. 6:16. Both are true! Jesus is the new temple, cf. John 2:19-22.

The verbs in Eph. 2:21-22 also have a corporate focus. They have the compound syn which means "joint participation with." They are both present passive. God is continuing to build/add to His church.

There is a Greek manuscript problem connected with the phrase "the whole building." The ancient uncial manuscripts א*, B, D, F and G have no article, while אc, A, C, and P do. The question is, was Paul referring to one large building (NASB, NKJV, NRSV, NIV, TEV, REB) or to several smaller buildings (ASV, NJB, Phillips) united in some way? The United Bible Society's 4th Edition Greek text gives a "B" rating to the anarthrous construction, which indicates they are "almost certain" that it refers to one building. This one building is not finished. It is in the process of growing. The building metaphor alluded to the spiritual temple (the people of God).
Utley.
 

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Welcome to the ministry of Episkopos.

1.) Twist the Bible

2.) Teach that Jesus is a "Whipping Boy"

3.) Teach that The Grace of God is 'Free Stuff"

4.) Claim that people who are trusting in Christ are "Ego Bloated"

5.) Be allowed to do it for 12 yrs on this Forum.
I'm surprised that such lies as you shamelessly post are tolerated for the few years you have infected this forum with.

Bloviate all you want. Most people who seem to agree with you...for their own self-interest, actually don't.
 

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Hilarious, you claim to be born again...where from?

The real Christians here, are all waiting for you to show us the name of your Teacher//Commentary that created the bizarre phrase, "the higher walk in Zion"...

also, here is your answer..
If you have a bible, you might want to study this one...

"In adam we all die" "IN Christ we are all made alive".. (Born again, Spiritually).


KJ21
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive;
ASV
For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
AMP
For just as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
AMPC
For just as [because of their union of nature] in Adam all people die, so also [by virtue of their union of nature] shall all in Christ be made alive.
BRG
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
CSB
For just as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
CEB
In the same way that everyone dies in Adam, so also everyone will be given life in Christ.
CJB
For just as in connection with Adam all die, so in connection with the Messiah all will be made alive.
CEV
Adam brought death to all of us, and Christ will bring life to all of us.
DARBY
For as in the Adam all die, thus also in the Christ all shall be made alive.
DLNT
For just as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be given-life,
DRA
And as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive.
ERV
I mean that in Adam all of us die. And in the same way, in Christ all of us will be made alive again.
EHV
For as in Adam they all die, so also in Christ they all will be made alive.
ESV
For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
ESVUK
For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
EXB
In Adam all of us die. In the same way, in Christ all of us will be made alive again [Rom. 5:12–21].
 

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I'm surprised that such lies as you shamelessly post are tolerated for the few years you have infected this forum with.

You are trying to deflect,... and dodge...... so that the Mods who might just take the time to read this Thread, wont notice that you are creating "made up phrases", courtesy of your Cult Teacher, whom you wont name....... and now want to run from it.


I dont blame you... .however Episkopos.....You can't run, and you can't hide from your Cross denying Legalism Theology..., but you can continue to try.
 
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Its his "ministry".
To have a “ ministry “ there must be people who have placed you there in the church . Elders who in one accord have acknowledged you as a minister. There are no Lone Ranger ministers of God in the church that’s an oxymoron. And YouTube videos do not qualify as being a minister. Any Tom, Dick or Harry with a phone or computer can do the same. Now ministers in churches who also teach online is different and God uses such people because they have biblical accountability within there communities, congregations.
 
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For those who are paying attention here, I offer this lesson in genuine VS fake.

When someone is indoctrinated into accepting biblical truths...they need chapter and verse to trigger their "Pavlov's dog" salivating that confirms their adherence to what they think is saving them.

Change the order of the words and omit the chapter and verse and they will say that's not in the bible. Easy to spot a fake.

Now, when they challenge a statement and want to know where something is in the bible...posing as an innocent believer that just wants to learn...they take that information and add it to their bag of tricks. So in this way they become harder to spot. Unless you go into greater detail of course...then the whole process begins again.

Knowledge puffs up the carnal mind, but love edifies the inner man.

Always learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth. Having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof.

So many have no real connection to Christ beyond what they have learned to believe from men. Jesus called it...about the Pharisees...who get indoctrinated and then proceed to do the very opposite of what God wants...judging sinners, making false claims, justifying themselves by their beliefs.

Of such, turn away.
 
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@Episkopos

The heretic who wrote the commentary that invented the phrase....>>"the higher walk in Zion"..

WE are waiting for you to NAME the Writer, and Name the Commentary.

-still waiting.
I pray you will wake up to your true spiritual condition and cry out to God for His salvation. I pray you are here to learn something deeper ...first about yourself...and then about God.
My prayers are with you.
 

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I pray you will wake up to your true spiritual condition and cry out to God for His salvation.

Its against the Rules of this FORUM to imply or state that a member here is not saved.

Are you too ignorant of the TOS, to realize this, or are you just too rebellious to care?

Do you need a Mod to explain this to you more precisely?............

So, once again @Episkopos

You are using a commentary, probably a set, and in them, is the phrase..."The Higher Walk in Zion".

We want you to name the WRITER and Name the Title of the Commentaries.

Dont be afraid as its good to come to the Light.
 
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For those who are paying attention here, I offer this lesson in genuine VS fake.

When someone is indoctrinated into accepting biblical truths...they need chapter and verse to trigger their "Pavlov's dog" salivating that confirms their adherence to what they think is saving them.

Change the order of the words and omit the chapter and verse and they will say that's not in the bible. Easy to spot a fake.

Now, when they challenge a statement and want to know where that is in the bible...posing as an innocent believer that just wants to learn...they take that information and add it to their bag of tricks. So in this way they become harder to spot. Unless you go into greater detail of course...then the whole process begins again.

Always learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth. Having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof.

So many have no real connection to Christ beyond what they have learned to believe by men. Jesus called it...about the Pharisees...who get indoctrinated and then proceed to do the very opposite of what God wants...judging sinners, making false claims, justifying themselves by their beliefs.

Of such, turn away.
man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from God- here I will translate that for you- All scripture is profitable for reproof and correction. Sound familiar ? The reason you don't like the scriptures is because they contradict you, they correct you and reprove your aberrant teachings. You reject the biblical principle there is wisdom in the council of many but fools reject such counselling.

Its as simple as that, there are no lone rangers. The body needs all the parts functioning to healthy.

a head with no body is what you are promoting.

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Were the Israelites who perished in the wilderness not saved? Of course they were. They were saved. But saved to what? Saved as an example of what to do...or what not to do? God's ways go far beyond what a dogmatic religious understanding is able to discern.
 
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Its against the Rules of this FORUE to imply or state that a member here is not saved.

Are you too ignorant of the TOS, to realize this, or are you just too rebellious to care?

Do you need a Mod to explain this to you more precisely?............

So, once again @Episkopos

You are using a commentary, probably a set, and in them, is the phrase..."The Higher Walk in Zion".

We want you to name the WRITER and Name the Title of the Commentaries.

Dont be afraid as its good to come to the Light.
the biblical term walking in zion is not sufficient as one must add to scripture ( forbidden and a curse comes with those who do that ) by saying " a higher walk in zion " there is no such phrase in the bible- he made it up.

its no wonder he doesn't like bible verses because they contradict his teachings and expose them.
 
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Were the Israelites who perished in the wilderness not saved? Of course they were. They were saved. But saved to what? Saved as an example of what to do...or what not to do? God's ways go far beyond what a dogmatic religious understanding can discern.
another dodging of the topic. its called deflecting.
 

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Were the Israelites who perished in the wilderness not saved? Of course they were. They were saved. But saved to what? Saved as an example of what to do...or what not to do? God's ways go far beyond what a dogmatic religious understanding can discern.

Hummmm..

If you come to Israel where i live, i can take you to that part of the desert, and give you some bottled water and a bag of food attached to a stick. (You know, like "Aaron's Rod"...)

I'll show you where to walk. (bring your best Nike's.)
In 40 yrs, i'll come and get you and we can find out if you saved yourself, yet.
IF im Raptured before the 40 yrs ends, then ... (you understand).

If not, just remember that 'only JESUS Saves".

John 14:6

"The Preaching of the Cross, to them that perish, is foolishness, but to us who believe, it is the power of God, unto SALVATION".