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A time line

Discussion in 'Christian Debate Forum' started by RichardBurger, Aug 15, 2011.

  1. BibleScribe

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    Whew! I'm so glad that things aren't as difficult as we sometimes create!

    So according to this premise, -- wherein actually one of his research assistants, a Patrice Berry, apparently had numerous communications from Christians writing to the J.R. Church ministry, and she provided that postulation to J.R. Church --, the Psalms is the 19th book of the Bible, and it appears that this book is prophetic for the 1900's. The chapters are prophetic for the respective years, such that book 19, chapter 44 is prophetic for the year 1944, as fulfilled by the holocaust. And the more one knows about modern Jewish history, the more the chapters appear to align with each respective year.

    So RichardBurger, I would ask that you take some time and familiarize youself with this concept by reading what are some clearly defined milestones in modern Jewish history, as perceived from THEIR perspective. As such one might consider such events typical of the opening of the concentration gates (1945), the founding of the nation of Israel (Chapter 48), or possibly the six day war (1967), or the Yom Kipper war (1973), or even Desert Storm. (1991). But please once again be prepared that just because today we see some greater significance of some of these events, doesn't mean that the Jews had those same perceptions in those respective events.


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    PS I am TRYING to answer your question, and hope you will allow me to build the foundation before starting the framing.
     
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    Time and space are meaningless....may as well map the grains of the beach - it would probably be more likely to be accurate.

    we are being born, living, dying and kneeing in eternity, right now.
     
  3. BibleScribe

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    Hi ron,

    If GOD had no purpose for us, then I guess we wouldn't exist. I guess you merely have to follow what GOD brings into your life, and to acknowledge HIM in all things, for you to fulfill HIS purpose.


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  4. mcorba

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    If we are meant to be more like Jesus, why do you guys so often sound like Pharisees arguing?
     
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    Judge for yourself, and tell me whether the Psalms are Prophetic. And toward that determination, please tell me whether in your investigation whether you discover the "going forth of the word to establish and rebuild Jerusalem" (which is understood to be a reference to ~Israel~). And I'll even help out by providing that any reconstruction MUST cite the raising of "ancient" ruins, and these must be called toward that purpose prior to Psalms 48 (i.e., 1948).



    BibleScribe

    PS If you elect to either participate or not participate in this effort, then you might consider what value you've either added or not added. :)

    To All,

    Please be aware that Jesus regularly discussed Scripture with the Pharisees. In fact Scripture goes so far as to devote an entire Chapter (Matt. 23) to their criticizm. But in all things he told the TRUTH regarding GOD's relationship with man.

    And certainly Christianity is NOT all love and kisses, as evidenced by 2 Timothy 4:2

    [sup]2[/sup] Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.


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  6. RichardBurger

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    Sorry but I am too old to run. And I am tired of you.

    Besides, I answered your question in reply #38. I won't do it again. Goodbye to you.
     
  7. RichardBurger

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    Great point! Thanks

    Quite trying to build it on my dead body. Since you know it all start your own thread without using my name and making it personal.

    My Bible tells me that the coming of the Lord is to be determined by the Father.

    Acts 1:6-7

    6 Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, "Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?"
    7 And He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority.

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    Matthew 24:3-6

    3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying,"Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"

    4 And Jesus answered and said to them: "Take heed that no one deceives you.

    5 For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many.

    6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

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    1 Thessalonians 5:1-3

    1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you.

    2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.

    3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.
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    2 Peter 3:9-10

    9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

    10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
    NKJV
     
  8. BibleScribe

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    Hi RichardBurger,

    Each one of us has the right to be ignorant, but this Forum is designed to provide an exchange of information. And of course Scripture demands that we allow such opportunity:



    1 Corinthians 12:21 (KJV)


    [sup]21[/sup]And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.


    1 Corinthians 14 (KJV)

    [sup]29[/sup]Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
    [sup]30[/sup]If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
    [sup]31[/sup]For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.


    As such, one should contemplate whether you perform as instructed, or whether you are closer to my favorite Aunt's perspective: "My mind's made up. Don't confuse me with the facts."

    And of course, she was only kidding, -- but you're serious. :)


    BibleScribe




    To All,

    I'm not certain what happened to "mcorba", but the same offer to evaluate what Scripture may or may not offer to the church still stands. And if I might remind the body:


    Matthew 11:12 (NKJV)


    [sup]12[/sup] And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.

    As such, I wouldn't expect the Holy Spirit to hold you down and pour TRUTH down your throat. :)



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  9. RichardBurger

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    As such, one should contemplate whether you perform as instructed, or whether you are closer to my favorite Aunt's perspective: "My mind's made up. Don't confuse me with the facts."

    And of course, she was only kidding, -- but you're serious. :)

    BibleScribe

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    Yes I am very serious in what I believe. Aren't you?

    What you said to me I can say to you but it doesn't solve anything between us accept to destroy any possiblity of any meaningful discussion between us and to build your ego. What I see is that you think you are correct and all others are not. Well, I think I am correct.

    I could take this personally but I see you do the same thing to others.
     
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    If you operate as Scripture provides, then you either evaluate a doctrine (judge) or you deny the gifting of the church. As such, you apparently won't even open your Bible to any chapter of Psalms to simply consider that a given Chapter number may have prophetic implications for Israel.

    Apparently your mind IS made up, and you have no need for the members of the body.


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  11. RichardBurger

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    I am not interested in your opinion of me. The time line I presented is still what I believe and your trying to make this thread about me is not love so I don't reconize you as a member of the body.
     
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    -- I truly thank God that your opinion on this matters not to Him.
     
  13. BibleScribe

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    I'm not worried about you or me, but merely that Scripture provides how the church is supposed to operate:


    1 Corinthians 12:21 (KJV)
    [sup]21[/sup]And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.


    1 Corinthians 14 (KJV)
    [sup]29[/sup]Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
    [sup]30[/sup]If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
    [sup]31[/sup]For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.


    ... and that you choose to do otherwise both to your own disservice, and to the disservice of this Forum.



    To All,

    Please be aware that not all receive the gifting of the church. Some have other agendas. But Jesus calls us to HIS greater service so that HIS perfect purpose may be manifest on earth as it is in heaven.

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  14. RichardBurger

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    Unless you are a moderator you can't speak for this forum.
     
  15. BibleScribe

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    I would propose that this is a Christian Forum, wherein Christian ideals are presented. As such you have violated two principles as previously cited:


    1 Corinthians 12:21 (KJV)
    [sup]21[/sup]And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

    1 Corinthians 14:29 (KJV)
    [sup]29[/sup]Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
    [sup]30[/sup]If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
    [sup]31[/sup]For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.



    You defy these principles and have no defense, so you argue who owns this Forum, -- for which I would assert that the Administrator is decidedly Christian. As such he should have NO objection to Christian tenants being presented and defended. Thus it would appear that it is YOU who is in violation.


    So your lack Scriptural obedience is to men and GOD.

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  16. BibleScribe

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    To All,

    Is it really so difficult to read Psalms 44 (book 19, chapter 44, = prophecy for 1944), to discover that the Jews are led like sheep before the slaughter?

    Is it really so difficut to read Psalms 48 (book 19, chapter 48, = prophecy for 1948), to discover the international recognition of Israel?



    Apparently, when it comes to Scriptural evidence which could contradict a religious doctrine, some would rather not have the Scripture.

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    ... so to follow up on the topic "timeline" premise, I would reiterate that the Psalms appears to be prophetic for the 1900's and into the 2000's, as interpreted as the 19th book of the Bible, (for the 1900's), and the chapters prophetic to the Jews for the respective years. Thus one should be able to consider whether this 19th book, chapter 44, (i.e., ~1944) prophesies the Holocaust; or book 19, chapter 48 prophecies the international recognition of the nation of Israel; etc.

    And thus one could further extrapolate the significance of Psalms 118, and perceive that the return of Jesus may be prophesied for the year 2018.


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  18. mckerras

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    Some interesting arguements and opinions here. We ARE informed about the future - Isaiah 44:26, Amos 3:7, and Paul says 'You, my friends are not in the dark". Now in 2011, we can also see that it must be very close to the time that God will act once again in His creation.

    Israel redeemed 2012 ? Judah redeemed 2030?
    Ezekiel 4:4-5 Next, lie on your left side, putting the weight of Israel’s punishment on it, I ordain that you bear their punishment for 390 days, allowing one day for each year of their punishment.
    Ezekiel 4:6 When you have completed these days, lie down again, this time on your right side, and bear Judah’s punishment, I ordain for you 40 days, one day for each year.
    This passage in Ezekiel has puzzled many people. Here is my explanation of it:The days ordained – 390 for Israel and 40 for Judah, each represent a year of their exile from the Land. But, because they still did not obey the Lord and keep their Covenant with Him, He multiplied the punishment by 7 times for Israel – Leviticus 26:18 and for Judah 7 times 7. Leviticus 26:23&27, Isaiah40:2.for the sins of Judah, double measure.

    ISRAEL;
    The 390 day/years served by Ezekiel – multiplied by 7 = 2,730 years total exile. The Northern 10 tribes of Israel were conquered by Assyria in 722BC, but their final deportation may have happened in 719BC, after Sargon 2, [reigned from 721-705BC] defeated the Philistines, then he returned to Assyria with all his captives. However, there is no record of exactly when the last of Israel went into exile, so it could have been 718 or 717, but this is 4 and 5 years after being conquered. = 2013 or 2014. Cannot be 722BC, that = 2009, or 721BC = 2010, still time for 720BC, return in 2011? Most likely 719 + 2730 -1 = 2012 when Israel returns to the Land. Minus 1, as BC1 andAD1 are the same year. Jeremiah 31:8-9 I shall bring the Israelites from the far ends of the earth... [ the second Exodus – Isaiah 11:11-13]
    JUDAH:
    The 40 day/years served by Ezekiel – multiplied by 7 times 7 = 1,960 years total exile.
    In 70AD, the Romans exiled the Jewish people, they scattered around the world.
    1960 + 70 = 2030 when Judah returns in full to the Land, with King Jesus.
    Although some of the Jewish people have returned to a part of the Land, the prophecy in Jeremiah 12: 14-17 says that they will be uprooted, along with the “evil neighbours”, and only allowed back when they acknowledge Jesus as Messiah.​
    Luke 21:22-23 This is the time of retribution, when all that stands written is to be fulfilled.... there will be great distress in the Land and a terrible judgement on this people. [the Jews, conquered by the Romans in 70AD]​
    Luke 21:24 They will fall by the sword and be carried captive into all countries and Jerusalem [the Land] will be trampled underfoot by Gentiles, until the day of the Gentiles has run its course. [the end of this age. The 10 lost tribes are also gentiles]​
    Luke 21:27-28 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud, with power and great glory. When this happens, stand up- hold your heads high, because your liberation is near. [Judah rejoins Israel at the Return of Jesus, in 2030]​
    Isaiah 40:9-11 Proclaim to Judah: your God is here. Here is the Lord, coming to rule with His powerful arm. He will care for His flock. [the Return of Jesus in glory]​
    Joel 3:1-2 When that time comes, on that Day when I reverse the fortunes of Judah, I shall gather all the nations together and bring them to the valley of Judgement [Armageddon] There I will judge them concerning My people, Israel whom they scattered around the world and divided up My Land. Ref: REB verses abridged.​
     
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    I would propose that mathematical gymnastics typically fail. As such, the obvious might succeed:


    PREMISE #1
    Israel became a nation in 1948.
    A generation is 70 years.
    1948 + 70 = 2018


    PREMISE #2
    The Psalms is the 19th book of the Bible, and is prophetic for the 1900's.
    The Chapters are prophetic to the Jews, chapter for year, such that book 19, chapter 48 is prophetic for 1948.


    PREMISE #3
    Psalms 118 is the middle Chapter of the Bible.
    Psalms 117 is the shortest Chapter.
    Psalms 119 is the longest Chapter.


    Conclusion, there appears to be a convergence of attention on the year 2018.



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  20. mckerras

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    Sorry, Biblescribe, but its you that does mathmatical gymnastics. To match the book number with a date?
    I quote actual figures given in scripture.
    I assume that you think Jesus will Return in 2018? If so, then the 7 year period spoken of by Daniel must start this year.
    I believe, from intensive Bible study, that Y'hovah will act in His creation very soon, prophesied in many passages, that event will be the Lord's Day of vengeance and wrath - as in Isaiah 63:1-6. This worldwide event will change everything and enable the setting up of a One world government.
     
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