about Praying in Tongues

[Ronald Nolette]

Jesus said one of the signs that follow true believers is that "they shall speak with new tongues" (Mark 16:17-18)

It's too bad some reject what Jesus says as being untrue.

One sign. Paul clarified it further under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12

King James Version

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12 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The "gift" is not being abused.

Its the false teaching of the "gift of tongues" that is abused.

Where does that happen?

Its simply.... that there are denomination that do not understand that their "prayer language" that is "self edifying", is not the #9 Spiritual Gift, on Paul's List.

These certain denominations make no distinction between their "prayer language" and the actual "gift of a language" that is the "tongues" or "actual language".

We see this "tongues" "gift" explained in Acts 2, when "they heard Peter speak in THEIR language" that HE didnt speak, until he received the ability to speak that language, = "gift of tongues".

Maybe, but that still is abusing the gift by letting it be from false teaching on teh gift asnd emotional pretendgift. I will let God sort that out.

As for me, if one is desirous of glorifying God and u8tters nonsense as a faux gift, I know God honors their heart and will lead, guide and instruct them.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

One sign. Paul clarified it further under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

Paul never said all believers would not speak in tongues as part of their relationship with the Lord.
He said not all speak in tongues in a public setting where an interpreter is present.

You are pitting what Jesus said against w3hat Paul said and we know the inspiration for doing this comes from spirits that are not of the Lord as they seek to muddy the waters and get people confused like you are.

Those ignoring what Jesus said are in error and are getting help from the devil to ignore what Jesus said.

 

[Behold]

I know God honors their heart them.

Hummmm, so, you have an interesting concept in your head.


So according to you...., if a "christian", is say.... a Mary Worshiper, or a Mary Baker Eddy disciple, or a Hyper Calvinist who has no use for the bible..... And even tho they are in the ministry of leading people into Calvinism, or into the "cult of the Virgin" or into Christian Science.... You believe that God will honor them and kinda overlook their CULT mentality..., as long as they "didnt mean to cause any harm to the body of Christ".
So, as long as they are "ignorantly causing harm to other believers", then "God will honor their deceived heart".... you believe.

Uh huh.

Well, Here is how Paul honors them, and instructs Pastor's to honor those people....

""" Talk to them 2 or 3 times, about their Calvinism, or whatever ISM they are deceived by, and see if you can get them to come back to the Light...... And if not, they are "beyond restoration".... so, = Get them out of your Church... lock the door, and they are GONE", because God does not care if they "mean well"...
Thats a fact.
See, God is TRUTH< and what isn't, isn't, so, if the person isn't in the TRUTH, then "well they have a good heart", is a false concept.
As, No they dont, they have a deceived heart.

Reader..., that NT is like Undiscovered Country to most Christians, who believe that Romans 7, is "Christianity"... who believe that "God predestined Adam to eat the forbidden fruit".. and who teach the Hyper Calvinistic LIE that "God sends you diseases"...

Never believe these deceivers.

 

[RLT63]

Mar 16:18 - They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
"and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them" False teachings and false ministers can be considered deadly things, and yet The Holy Spirit is ever present with those that are truly born from above. He will correct and bring The truth against the words of a false teacher within the believer. Usually it starts with "Not so" and then The Truth is brought into remembrance just as Jesus promised. So indeed, it will not hurt us.

All that may be true but I don’t see how you get it from that verse.

 

[GTW27]

All that may be true but I don’t see how you get it from that verse.

The Light shines brighter and brighter the further we walk down the path before us. In other words, The Holy Spirit reveals more and more in it's season. Do you remember when I gave you the advise about messaging your foot all the way up for your pain in your leg. That did not come from me alone. Is not The Healer in The Holy Spirit within the believer. And you shall lay your hands on the sick and they shall recover. "And they shall take up serpents", is a reference to The Power and Authority in Jesus Name that believers have over all the enemy.Watch as you read more and more in the Bible what is revealed to you, even when you have read it before many times before. Blessings!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Paul never said all believers would not speak in tongues as part of their relationship with the Lord.
He said not all speak in tongues in a public setting where an interpreter is present.

You are pitting what Jesus said against w3hat Paul said and we know the inspiration for doing this comes from spirits that are not of the Lord as they seek to muddy the waters and get people confused like you are.

Those ignoring what Jesus said are in error and are getting help from the devil to ignore what Jesus said.

Jesus never said all would speak in tongues either! He just said it was one of many signs that would follow believers. and remember, that portion of Mark is highly contested. Verses 17-20 do not appear in any of the earlier manuscripts and is inconsistent in style with the rest of Marks gospel, so it is questionable.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

So according to you...., if a "christian", is say.... a Mary Worshiper, or a Mary Baker Eddy disciple, or a Hyper Calvinist who has no use for the bible..... And even tho they are in the ministry of leading people into Calvinism, or into the "cult of the Virgin" or into Christian Science.... You believe that God will honor them and kinda overlook their CULT mentality..., as long as they "didnt mean to cause any harm to the body of Christ".
So, as long as they are "ignorantly causing harm to other believers", then "God will honor their deceived heart".... you believe.

That is not what I said. This is just another lie of yours to seek to discredit followers of Jesus! Go back to my post and reread it , this time with eyes open and an honest heart.

Well, Here is how Paul honors them, and instructs Pastor's to honor those people....

""" Talk to them 2 or 3 times, about their Calvinism, or whatever ISM they are deceived by, and see if you can get them to come back to the Light...... And if not, they are "beyond restoration".... so, = Get them out of your Church... lock the door, and they are GONE", because God does not care if they "mean well"...
Thats a fact.
See, God is TRUTH< and what isn't, isn't, so, if the person isn't in the TRUTH, then "well they have a good heart", is a false concept.
As, No they dont, they have a deceived heart.

Reader..., that NT is like Undiscovered Country to most Christians, who believe that Romans 7, is "Christianity"... who believe that "God predestined Adam to eat the forbidden fruit".. and who teach the Hyper Calvinistic LIE that "God sends you diseases"...

Once again all you do is bloviate without providing any substantive evidence that the biblical truths behind the five points of Calvinsim are unbiblical. You spend so much time making accusations you are unable to back with biblical evidence. You could pass for a pharisee in the days of Jesus trial.

 

[Behold]

Once again all you do is bloviate without providing any substantive evidence that the biblical truths behind the five points of Calvinsim are unbiblical.

Its the "too depraved to be able to believe".......that is the 2nd worst part of your Theology.

The first, the demonic..... is when a man teaches that The Cross is not for everyone, but only for the Pre-Chosen.

See that?
That is the SATANIC teaching, that is Tulip - Hyper Calvinism..., and its best to not be caught dead teaching that Cross rejecting Grace insulting Lie.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Its the "too depraved to be able to believe".......that is the 2nd worst part of your Theology.

The first, the demonic..... is when a man teaches that The Cross is not for everyone, but only for the Pre-Chosen.

See that?
That is the SATANIC teaching, that is Tulip - Hyper Calvinism..., and its best to not be caught dead teaching that Cross rejecting Grace insulting Lie.

Preach it brutha!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Its the "too depraved to be able to believe".......that is the 2nd worst part of your Theology.

The first, the demonic..... is when a man teaches that The Cross is not for everyone, but only for the Pre-Chosen.

See that?
That is the SATANIC teaching, that is Tulip - Hyper Calvinism..., and its best to not be caught dead teaching that Cross rejecting Grace insulting Lie.

Once again verbal methane without biblical support. Insults lacking information.

 

[Behold]

Once again verbal methane without biblical support. Insults lacking information.

God makes : Christians

Calvin makes : Calvinists.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

God makes : Christians

Calvin makes : Calvinists.

God makes believers of many flavors.

YOu have Christians who hold to all these belief systems and think they are biblically based

Literalists
Allegorists
Pre Millenils
A millenials
Post Millenials
Pre trib
mid trib
post trib
Charismatic
believers in tongues
nonbelievers in tongues
Eternal secureity
non eternal security
Transsubstantialationists
non-transubstantialionists
5 pointers
4 pointers
3 pointers
dispensationalists
methoidsm
congregationalism


etc.etc.etc.

If you do not understand that, I am sorry for you.

 

[Behold]

God makes believers of many flavors.



Literalists
Allegorists
Pre Millenils
A millenials
Post Millenials
Pre trib
mid trib
post trib
Charismatic
believers in tongues
nonbelievers in tongues
Eternal secureity
non eternal security
Transsubstantialationists
non-transubstantialionists
5 pointers
4 pointers
3 pointers
dispensationalists
methoidsm
congregationalism

Man made many of those on your List.

In other words, most of that which you posted is a teaching that is related to a man made denomination, or theology.

You left out Hyper Calvinism, and so, that is also man made.

God is not a Calvinist.

 

[The Learner]

Jesus said one of the signs that follow true believers is that "they shall speak with new tongues" (Mark 16:17-18)

The Lord said thru Paul that "he that speaks in an unknown tongue speaks not unto men, but unto God: for no man understands him" (1 Corinthians 14:2) which is clearly telling us that speaking in tongues privately unto the Lord is not a language known to mankind so it is not any language spoken by men here on earth. (speaking in tongues in a public setting where another interprets is what not all do)

So, my question for those that don't accept all the Word of the Lord says on the subject of tongues and instead claim that tongues is speaking in another language known to man as we saw on the Day of Pentecost....

What are you doing about what Jesus said in Mark 16:17-18 ? View attachment 45483

Are you busy learning another language? If not, then why not?

Jesus did in fact say real believers would speak in new tongues!

1 Corinthians 14

Easy-to-Read Version

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Use Spiritual Gifts to Help the Church​

14 Love should be the goal of your life, but you should also want to have the gifts that come from the Spirit. And the gift you should want most is to be able to prophesy. 2 I will explain why. Those who have the gift of speaking in a different language are not speaking to people. They are speaking to God. No one understands them—they are speaking secret things through the Spirit. 3 But those who prophesy are speaking to people. They help people grow stronger in faith, and they give encouragement and comfort. 4 Those who speak in a different language are helping only themselves. But those who prophesy are helping the whole church.

Has nothing to do with praying in tongues. Context Matters.

 

[The Learner]

Jesus said one of the signs that follow true believers is that "they shall speak with new tongues" (Mark 16:17-18)

The Lord said thru Paul that "he that speaks in an unknown tongue speaks not unto men, but unto God: for no man understands him" (1 Corinthians 14:2) which is clearly telling us that speaking in tongues privately unto the Lord is not a language known to mankind so it is not any language spoken by men here on earth. (speaking in tongues in a public setting where another interprets is what not all do)

So, my question for those that don't accept all the Word of the Lord says on the subject of tongues and instead claim that tongues is speaking in another language known to man as we saw on the Day of Pentecost....

What are you doing about what Jesus said in Mark 16:17-18 ? View attachment 45483

Are you busy learning another language? If not, then why not?

Jesus did in fact say real believers would speak in new tongues!

If the number of later Greek manuscripts containing Mark 16:9–20 were the only factor, then the passage would be confirmed as genuine. But there are other factors. One that cannot be ignored is the evidence from other manuscripts. Two of the oldest and most respected manuscripts, the Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus, do not contain the longer ending to the Gospel of Mark. Both of those ancient Greek manuscripts end at Mark 16:8. They are given credence because, the older the manuscript, the closer it is to the original autographs. The fewer generations of copies, the fewer opportunities for deviation, and thus an older manuscript can be assumed to be more accurate than a newer one. Since the oldest manuscripts do not contain Mark 16:9–20, many scholars doubt that these verses were in the original Gospel of Mark.

In addition to the commonly accepted wording of Mark 16:9–20, there exist two other endings to the book of Mark found among ancient manuscripts This one is translated as an optional ending and included (in brackets) in the New American Standard Bible:

And they promptly reported all these instructions to Peter and his companions. And after that, Jesus Himself also sent out through them from east to west the sacred and imperishable proclamation of eternal salvation.
And this passage is found in various other manuscripts:

This age of lawlessness and unbelief is under Satan, who does not allow the truth and power of God to prevail over the unclean things of the spirits. “Therefore reveal your righteousness now”—thus they spoke to Christ. And Christ replied to them, “The term of years of Satan’s power has been fulfilled, but other terrible things draw near. And for those who have sinned I was handed over to death, that they may return to the truth and sin no more, in order that they may inherit the spiritual and incorruptible glory of righteousness that is in heaven.”
We should also consider the testimony of the ancient church leaders. Some early church fathers were aware of the long ending of the Gospel of Mark and even quoted from it. However, in the fourth century, two scholars who were aware of the long ending, Eusebius and Jerome, reported that nearly all the known Greek manuscripts ended with Mark 16:8.

Manuscript evidence matters. The text stops at verse 8.

 

[The Learner]

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go ahead make a fool of yourself

 

[The Learner]

Jesus said "these signs shall follow them that believe . . . they shall speak with new tongues"

Why do so many reject what Jesus said in Mark 16:17-18 ??? View attachment 45575

The devil tricked them which is easy for him to do since most that claim to be Christians don't accept all of God's Word.!

Romans 8:26
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Groanings - from G4726, which comes from G4726 (Strong's Greek Concordance) to sigh, murmur, pray inaudibly: KJV -- with grief, groan, grudge, sigh. Inarticulate speech, or speech that is not in any known language to man

(In 1 Corinthians 13:1, Paul speaks of talking in the tongues of angels - a supernatural language)

1 Corinthians 14:2
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

1 Corinthians 14:2 is speaking of our personal prayer language, which is something we do in our prayer closet and not in public. Some have the gift of speaking a tongue in a public meeting for interpretation by another but should NOT be doing so if no interpreter is present.

1 Corinthians 12:10
To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

This is speaking of different kinds of tongues and that some have the gift of interpretation of tongues. Not all have the gift of speaking in tongues for interpretation in a public setting like a church service... but that does not mean all don't have the gift of tongues for their private prayer life in their prayer closet between themselves and the Lord.

1 Corinthians 14:39
Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

Jude 1:20
But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost

1 Corinthians 14:18
I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all

Paul is indicating here that ALL should speak in tongues referring to personal prayer since not all pray in tongues in a public setting where an interpreter is present.

Isaiah 28:11,12
For with stammering lips and another tongue He will speak to this people, To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

There is a rest and knowledge that comes thru speaking in tongues
(the knowledge received has to agree with God's written Word, otherwise it's not the Holy Spirit speaking)

1 Corinthians 14:22
Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

1 Corinthians 13 misused. Paul in Greek if it were possible....does not mean one does.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

This age of lawlessness and unbelief is under satan

Yes and satan is the one trying to talk Christians such as yourself out of believing what Jesus said in Mark 16:17-18 which is backed up by the rest of God's Word.

You've been duped homie!

1 Corinthians 13 misused. Paul in Greek if it were possible....does not mean one does.

That's true for salvation as well..,. it has been purchased for EVERY person, but many refuse to submit to the Lord

Just because some do not pray in tongues in their private prayer time with the Lord as God desires, does not mean the Lord has not provided this gift to all His people for personal use.

satan chokes God's Word out of many people as he convinces them this is not for them and so... it's not sue to their unbelief after they let the devil deceive them on this topic as well as other biblical topics.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

go ahead make a fool of yourself

You're doing a good job of that yourself... quite the entertaining show of foolishness you have put on there