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This topic is contentious for at least three reasons.

1. Many modern Jews believe they are still the chosen spiritual source of God’s wisdom and holiness as the ‘superior’ people on earth.

2., Many Christians believe that these modern Jews since Christ are the actual physical and even the spiritual descendants of Israel or at least from the house of Judah. They have built some of their spiritual doctrine of prophecy (for example, dispensationalism) based on it. And they won't give it up without a fight.

And 3., Christ united all physical tribes, including Israel, all nations, under one Spirit and one Body for the Father. And he is its lord Christ who did not replace Israel of the Law; he incorporated them into the covenant of grace with the new Israel of today.

This is true Israel we have today, in the hearts of a believer, from any origin, culture or nationality. Life blood does not count anymore, only the spiritual blood of life given by the Father and Son. And then these modern Jews were DNA tested and flunked 'the test'..more on this later.

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Who are the legitimate heirs of God’s promises? It cannot be just those who claim to be descendants of Jacob, such as the citizens of the modern State of Israel, or the many people groups who assert they are the ‘lost tribes’, etc.

The true Israelites of God are those individuals who meet the Covenant conditions, who by belief in God and in their moral and ethical behaviour, prove they belong to Him. 1 Peter 2:9-10

It was always possible for foreigners to become an Israelite, therefore parentage and actual descent is irrelevant:
Leviticus 19:33-34…foreigners are to be treated as native born among you…..
Isaiah 56:1-8….foreigners who give their allegiance to Me will be acceptable in My House of Prayer…..I shall add them to those who are already gathered.

Jesus said: Other sheep I must gather….John 19:16 and the Apostles made it clear that it is only by righteousness and faith that anyone is accepted into the House of Israel. Romans 9:6-9, Galatians 3:26-29, Ephesians 2:11-18

So to determine who qualifies as an Israelite person of God, we know:
1/ They cannot be determined by natural descent from Abraham, or more specifically, from Jacob. Nobody today, has proof of ancestry back to Abraham.
2/ They cannot become an Israelite by conversion to Judaism.
3/ Any person can become an Israelite of God by faith in Him, obedience to His Laws and the acceptance of the atoning sacrifice of Jesus. John 3:16-17

Jesus is the ‘root and tree trunk’ of Israel. Paul said that the promises made to Abraham were to one Person and they are all ‘yes’ in Christ. Galatians 3:16, 2 Cor. 1:20
So now all we Christians, in Christ as His friends and working with Him, are now the branches of the ‘olive tree’ of the true Israel.

Jews have been cut off, but can be grafted back, as individual Christian believers. Bible prophecy proves that only a remnant will do that. Ezekiel 6:1-14, Zechariah 13:7-9, Romans 9:27

WE Christians are all true born again people from every tribe, race, nation and language. Romans 2:28-29, Revelation 5:9-10, Isaiah 56:1-8

This truth that: all righteous Christians are the Israel of God, Galatians 6:16, destroys the false ‘rapture to heaven’ theory. Jewish Israel have been broken off from the Olive Tree and can only be grafted back, by having Christian faith.
The prophesies about Judah, the Jewish people, are clear: only a remnant will survive. Isaiah 6:13, Luke 19:27. Romans 9:27 They have set up their own religion and refuse to acknowledge Jesus. Romans 10:1-4

It will be all the true, righteous Christian people that will inherit the holy Land and they are the people who will display God’s glory and be His witnesses to the nations, in the last few years before Jesus Returns. Ezekiel 39:21-29, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Isaiah 49:8-13, Ephesians 1:11, Romans 9:24-26
 

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Pastor Chuck Baldwin-What Does The Hamas/Israeli War Portend For Bible Prophecy?

What Does The Hamas/Israeli War Portend For Bible Prophecy?

"Eighty percent of evangelical pastors and churches believe the Scofield-spawned propaganda that the modern Zionist State of Israel is the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy. It's not! I might as well go ahead and tick off evangelicals right at the beginning of this column, because it won't get any easier as this column goes on.

God has NO future plans for national Israel. ZERO! ZILCH! NADA! NONE! National Israel was buried in the ashes of Jerusalem's destruction in 70 AD. It is gone FOREVER! The Bible nowhere predicts a future national Israel."
 

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When God changed Jacobs name to Israel--it, as much of scripture, was a parable or foreshadowing.

The lesson and revelation of this begins with the word of God repeatedly saying among the early scriptures: "so his name was called." The indication regarding the name change of Jacob to Israel, was that when God chose Jacob--he was changed. Changed and brought into service. This name-change practice is then also repeated with others such as Simon called Peter by Jesus...and for the same reason.

Unfortunately, the name Israel has been hijacked.

Jesus first came for the house of Israel--He came, He was "the Last", and He fulfilled and "finished" the promise of Messiah, leaving only a bloodline with heritage. A most significant heritage indeed! But we who call ourselves Christians--if we believe what is written of Him and what He said--the salvation of Messiah then finished by Jesus, goes on to that "other fold which I must also bring", meaning those who believe among the gentiles...which is exactly what He arranged, instructed, and commanded for.

However Christianity has had its own problems, as Peter said, "But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction." Paul confirmed, saying, "The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness." Of which John stated the timing of regarding the spirit of antichrist, as "now already in the world" 2,000 years ago.

As for those of the bloodline of Israel, most have not believed Jesus was even their Messiah, though He died for them.

As for the hijacking of the Israel name--the truth will all be coming out soon enough...and I don't really want to hijack the thread. Even so, I have just stated what is written and sufficient for questioning what has commonly been taught and believed.
 
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Reflecting on point 1, of the OP..

Point 1 explained more or less: Modern Jews or Jewry is/are the children of the Pharisees in spirit. They do not believe in Christ as our lord and savior. In an effort to convince themselves and others they are the physical and spiritual descendants of Israel, they created devises of illusion and deceit soon after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

They invented a religion called Judaism codified with its Babylonian Talmud of 500 AD. They later developed by copying other local cultures, a culture for their own with a physically identifiable people, as the descendants of the Khazarians of Western Asia, located in the 300s to 1000 AD around the Black Sea.

Fast forwarding ....They finally created a political State in the land of the true Israelites by stealth and modern forms of terrorism and displaced or killed nearly 1 million indigenous people in the process. All these elements and extreme actions projected a deceptive and false image or an illusion that they were indeed the living and genuine, surviving descendants of the Israelites of the OT as they were victorious in 1948! They also began to teach Hebrew in their schools for the first time of their history or existence at the beginning of the 20th century. Eventhough Hebrew was not the language in Judea at the time of Christ. They wanted to fit the full image of the real Jews no less.

These Jews and their father, as were their spiritual descendants, the Pharisees, is the accuser of God and his people.
 

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Reflecting on point 1, of the OP..

Point 1 explained more or less: Modern Jews or Jewry is/are the children of the Pharisees in spirit. They do not believe in Christ as our lord and savior. In an effort to convince themselves and others they are the physical and spiritual descendants of Israel, they created devises of illusion and deceit soon after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

They invented a religion called Judaism codified with its Babylonian Talmud of 500 AD. They later developed by copying other local cultures, a culture for their own with a physically identifiable people, as the descendants of the Khazarians of Western Asia, located in the 300s to 1000 AD around the Black Sea.

Fast forwarding ....They finally created a political State in the land of the true Israelites by stealth and modern forms of terrorism and displaced or killed nearly 1 million indigenous people in the process. All these elements and extreme actions projected a deceptive and false image or an illusion that they were indeed the living and genuine, surviving descendants of the Israelites of the OT as they were victorious in 1948! They also began to teach Hebrew in their schools for the first time of their history or existence at the beginning of the 20th century. Eventhough Hebrew was not the language in Judea at the time of Christ. They wanted to fit the full image of the real Jews no less.

These Jews and their father, as were their spiritual descendants, the Pharisees, is the accuser of God and his people.

Yes...sounds like you may know of the Khazarian Mafia and their involvement. I am no expert, but I believe they may have even been behind the holocaust (?)...and then hijacked the Israel heritage (?).
 

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Yes...sounds like you may know of the Khazarian Mafia and their involvement. I am no expert, but I believe they may have even been behind the holocaust (?)...and then hijacked the Israel heritage (?).
You seem astute on this subject Scott. Good for you. You can discern these things. An uncommon quality these days.

I could write a book on this subject. In fact I have over 200 pages written on this time period.

I can see it now, in the real truth section of the newspaper stands.....These once Phallic worshippers eventually brought down the West - their culture(s), and their religions...and their way of life

As once source describes it, "Phallic worship is the worship of the erect penis, this is what constantly got ancient Israel in trouble. The only symbol for Baal worship was the erect penis or obelisk." source: PHALLIC WORSHIP

It's a view of of more of point 1,, in the 20th century...I had this text already written out years ago,,,,

A Jewish author Franz Rosenzweig in his writing called ‘The Star of Redemption’ published after 1918, invented a two-covenant theory that there are two covenants and therefore two paths to salvation, one for the Jew and the other for all other nations through Christ. He believed that the original Covenant with the Israelites is still valid today. (Rosenzweig 1985 (original 1921 Germany)) He is also in error as he believed by inference that he and other Jews were of the Israelites and his descendants who had an active agreement with God. The only covenant his people had was with a god, the devil.

After the State of Israel was established in 1948, gullible and useful men, influenced by the Jews, raised the false and baseless issue regarding anti-Semitism against the Jew within the Christian Church. This led to a Christian guilt and shame that even led the Roman Catholics to pity the Jew. The Pope regarded salvation and mediation through Christ was not for the Jew. They would be separately saved in the future by God, after Christ’s return. Further, the Christian should also refrain from evangelizing or imposing the Christian covenant of grace on a Jew.

So this interfaces with Point 2 of the OP..

This Jewish two-covenant theory then It is one of the pillows of thought within Christians circles that the modern Jew is still the chosen of God and there is a special future salvation awaiting them along with the true Israelites of the past.

Point 2 expands on this Christian theory of the dispensationalists.

This complex plot just gets thicker....
 
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This topic is contentious for at least three reasons.

1. Many modern Jews believe they are still the chosen spiritual source of God’s wisdom and holiness as the ‘superior’ people on earth.

2., Many Christians believe that these modern Jews since Christ are the actual physical and even the spiritual descendants of Israel or at least from the house of Judah. They have built some of their spiritual doctrine of prophecy (for example, dispensationalism) based on it. And they won't give it up without a fight.

And 3., Christ united all physical tribes, including Israel, all nations, under one Spirit and one Body for the Father. And he is its lord Christ who did not replace Israel of the Law; he incorporated them into the covenant of grace with the new Israel of today.

This is true Israel we have today, in the hearts of a believer, from any origin, culture or nationality. Life blood does not count anymore, only the spiritual blood of life given by the Father and Son. And then these modern Jews were DNA tested and flunked 'the test'..more on this later.

---some fragmented notes will be added to this thread that will follow this OP----------

You've gone too far, actually leaving Bible Scripture, with the confusion of no.2, and especially with no.3.

1. Modern Jews (not ten tribes) of course still believe they are a chosen seed by God. And it's true, but it does not mean they are superior. They were 'chosen' for a duty involving The Gospel of Jesus Christ. They were to be caretakers of The Gospel to the nations. That's about a responsibility to all other peoples, and not about making Israelites superior to the nations.

Now the Jews who think God chose Israel to mean they are superior, the Jews that think that are simply listening to the false crept in unawares of the "synagogue of Satan", those who say they are Jews, but are not.

They are being duped by Satan's host that has crept in among them and which are not seed-born Israelites. God having place the 'spirit of slumber' upon the Jews is another reason why those liars of the synagogue of Satan is able to deceive them. But Paul in Romans 11 showed God will remove their 'blindness' when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.


2. Most Churches wrongly teach that ALL of the seed of Israel are JEWS, which Biblically and historically, is NOT true.

The title of Jew, per the Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.), originated with the three-tribe southern "kingdom of Judah". God split old Israel into 2 separate kingdoms in Solomon's day, because Solomon had allowed his many foreign wives to bring their idol worship in among Israel, and Solomon participated (see 1 Kings 11 forward). So God setup Jeroboam of the northern tribe of Ephraim over the northern ten tribes, which became the "kingdom of Israel" with its capital city at Samaria in the north. Jeroboam fell away too, and politically setup 2 gold calf idols among the ten northern tribes to prevent them from going to Jerusalem to worship. A small remnant of the ten northern tribes refused the idols, and went south and joined with Judah, also becoming Jews. The Levites in the north also left and joined with Judah in the southern kingdom. This is still... how it is today, except the ten northern tribes are LOST.

The reality still today per God's Word is:
a. the Jews only make up about 1/3 of total number of Israelites.
b. the ten Lost tribes make up the Majority of Israelites, but most of them still don't know it.


3. Not all Israelites of the 'seed' have been united in Christ Jesus yet today. The majority of the Jews of the 3-tribe "house of Judah" are still blinded by the spiritual stupor God put upon them, per Paul in Romans 11.

And the idea of the literal 'seed' of Israel does still matter, for even as Apostle Paul said in Romans 11:2 that God has not cast away His which He foreknew. And per Romans 11:29 "For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance." That means God will not take back what He promised the seed of Israel. This is why the Old Testament prophets show God's declaring the future restoration of all 12 tribes back to the holy land of promise, with David as their prince, and Lord Jesus as KING of Israel. This is also why Apostle Paul used the term "commonwealth of Israel" in Ephesians 2 about Gentile believers, because it means God's future Kingdom of Israel will be a 'commonwealth' of nations, but the 12 tribes will still be a specific Israel nations restored in the holy lands. Even Isaiah 19 reveals that Israel, Assyria, and Egypt will each be one third in God's future Kingdom on earth.
 
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I said I would add info on the DNA testing of those in the State of Israeli..well here's some..

Between 2005-2010, DNA analysis was completed to show that these Ashkenazi Jews were in fact closely related to the Hun, Ulgur and Magyar tribes than to the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

DNA research science from Dr. Eran Elhaik and associates at the McKusick-Namans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, have confirmed that: 97% of the world’s Jews ARE NOT descendants of Abraham.

--------------more on the DNA testing--------------
In 2001, Dr. Areilla Oppenheim of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem,
conducted the first comprehensive DNA study of Israelis and Palestinians.

She concluded that Ashkenazi Jews were of Mongolian 40% and Turkish 40% genome.

Now from this fella...
by Edward Menez


Today's DNA testing services such as "23andMe" allow for normal people to provide a saliva sample which is tested in a lab.....and voila!....your ancestry can be broken down into percentages with quite accurate results.

My sister had it done, and the results were what we'd thought they'd be based on what we knew about the ethnicity of our parents, grandparents, and great grandparents. So how simple would it be for today's Ashkenazi Jews to take such a test en masse to determine their percentage of Semitic heritage, and thus verify their claim on Israel?
Well, that's been done already, and it's not surprising we haven't heard much about these studies.

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There was no Semitic blood connecting them to the original Middle Eastern Hebrews of 4,000 years ago in Jerusalem or Biblical territory.

(Real) Jews were found to be more closely related to groups in the north of the Fertile Crescent (Kurds, Turks, and Armenians) than to their Arab neighbors.

The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East

This was confirmed by another DNA project from Dr. Eran Elhaik at the McKusick-Namans Institute of Genetic Medicine at the John Hopkins University of School of Medicine, in 2012. His conclusions were the same!

The results were consistent in depicting a Caucasus ancestry for all European Jews. The analysis showed a tight genetic relationship between European Jews and Caucasus populations and pinpointed the biogeographic origin of the European Jews to the south of Khazaria. i.e. Ukraine. BINGO!!!

New study sheds light on the origin of the European Jewish population

At the same time, extensive DNA evidence showed that the Palestinians had 80% more or less Semitic blood in their ancestors, who were therefore determined to be the real Semites. another solid BINGO!!!!
 

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I can't help but wonder how many members here are bleed overs from Christogenea Forum.

Most of those DNA studies by John Hopkins are bogus. How can they determine 97% of the world's population of Jews are not from the seed of Jacob? They cannot, because they would have to have a DNA baseline from the actual 'seed' of Jacob going back to Jacob's day! They don't have that; I guarantee they are just guessing.

It is true that the Jews in today's state of Israel do identify with 2 separate groups, the Sephardic Jews, which were of the diaspora and heavily associated with the Iberian peninsula of old Spain until they were exiled again. And then the Ashkenazi Jews were of the diaspora that migrated into Germany and northern France from the east, and probably make up the main body of Jews in the state of Israel today.

Over Judah's history, per God's Word, several foreign peoples migrated in with them and became Jews. The Canaanite leftovers were probably first; then when God gave Israel to defeat the nation of Edom, many of the Idumeans (of Esau) joined with the Jews in Judea, converting to Judaism. Per 1 Chronicles 2:55, the people called Kenites, another foreign people of the land of Canaan, became the scribes of Israel that were in care of keeping God's written Word.

Even though many Jews today like to claim original heritage back to the seed of Jacob, foreigners have crept in for so long over the centuries, it is impossible to really be sure who is of the actual 'seed' of Jacob, and who is not. Same goes for the Lost Ten Tribes of Israelites. The people of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is what God has ordained to people His future Kingdom under His Son, but He did also promise certain ones of the seed of Jacob, like Christ's 12 Apostles, that they would sit upon thrones ruling over the 12 tribes of Israel. Those 12 tribes would mean believers on Christ Jesus of the seed of Jacob, just like Christ's 12 Apostles are definitely of the seed of Jacob. So God knows who is who even today, and He did promise in final to filter the "house of Israel" (ten tribes) like wheat through a sieve, and not the least grain would fall to the ground (Amos 9).
 
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Most of those DNA studies by John Hopkins are bogus. How can they determine 97% of the world's population of Jews are not from the seed of Jacob? They cannot, because they would have to have a DNA baseline from the actual 'seed' of Jacob going back to Jacob's day! They don't have that; I guarantee they are just guessing.

It is true that the Jews in today's state of Israel do identify with 2 separate groups, the Sephardic Jews, which were of the diaspora and heavily associated with the Iberian peninsula of old Spain until they were exiled again. And then the Ashkenazi Jews were of the diaspora that migrated into Germany and northern France from the east, and probably make up the main body of Jews in the state of Israel today.

Over Judah's history, per God's Word, several foreign peoples migrated in with them and became Jews. The Canaanite leftovers were probably first; then when God gave Israel to defeat the nation of Edom, many of the Idumeans (of Esau) joined with the Jews in Judea, converting to Judaism. Per 1 Chronicles 2:55, the people called Kenites, another foreign people of the land of Canaan, became the scribes of Israel that were in care of keeping God's written Word.

Even though many Jews today like to claim original heritage back to the seed of Jacob, foreigners have crept in for so long over the centuries, it is impossible to really be sure who is of the actual 'seed' of Jacob, and who is not. Same goes for the Lost Ten Tribes of Israelites. The people of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is what God has ordained to people His future Kingdom under His Son, but He did also promise certain ones of the seed of Jacob, like Christ's 12 Apostles, that they would sit upon thrones ruling over the 12 tribes of Israel. Those 12 tribes would mean believers on Christ Jesus of the seed of Jacob, just like Christ's 12 Apostles are definitely of the seed of Jacob. So God knows who is who even today, and He did promise in final to filter the "house of Israel" (ten tribes) like wheat through a sieve, and not the least grain would fall to the ground (Amos 9).
I think you posted to the wrong quote.
 

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Regarding the 'modern Jew', we know they reject Jesus and are overtly anti-Christian.
Thinking that they are God's Chosen people and God helped them to form a nation and prosper in a small part of the holy Land, is error. That they did get supernatural help, is correct; but from whom? Satan is the great Deceiver and can manipulate events to his own agenda.

What most Christians fail to see and understand, is how Prophesies say the Lord will punish them and only a [Messianic] remnant will survive. Isaiah 6:11-13, +
 

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Point 2 explained in part and brief:

This is essentially a Dispensationalist view. There are two distinctive marks of these practitioners. 1. They have a very literal interpretation of scripture for prophecy. And 2, They say there is a distinct program for the salvation of the dead Israelites regardless of whether they are the faithful remnant, or the majority, who were unfaithful under the Law. They even accommodate the new modern Jews within this plan of salvation. They say then there are two paths to salvation for all, one for the Jew and another for other nations. Nevertheless, they cannot find any explicit scripture that points to this doctrine of a dual plan of God for salvation.

They insist that Christ and his saints in the Kingdom are not the only mediators or priests to the nations in the future. They insist scripture leave the door open to the Jews as mediators in a future peace on earth, after they are all redeemed.

What drives their insistence that Jews are special and still chosen for a different redemption? Especially when they do not believe in Christ his works, the Cross and his Ascension to immortality? What other path or get out jail card is the Father and Son going to give these imposters?
 
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Regarding the 'modern Jew', we know they reject Jesus and are overtly anti-Christian.
Thinking that they are God's Chosen people and God helped them to form a nation and prosper in a small part of the holy Land, is error. That they did get supernatural help, is correct; but from whom? Satan is the great Deceiver and can manipulate events to his own agenda.

What most Christians fail to see and understand, is how Prophesies say the Lord will punish them and only a [Messianic] remnant will survive. Isaiah 6:11-13, +
That's too judgmental, when God has not yet judged them to perish, and you said absolutely nothing about the Romans 11 prophecy...

Rom 11:23-32
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, 'There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.'

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon all.
KJV
 

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That's too judgmental, when God has not yet judged them to perish, and you said absolutely nothing about the Romans 11 prophecy...

Rom 11:23-32
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
It's the Lord who is Judgmental.
The Jews abide still in unbelief, and nowhere does the bible tell us they mass convert. Only some families do; when Jesus Returns. Zech 12
 

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It's the Lord who is Judgmental.
The Jews abide still in unbelief, and nowhere does the bible tell us they mass convert. Only some families do; when Jesus Returns. Zech 12
I think you still do not understand the difference between unbelieving Jews that God blinded which actually love The LORD compared to the false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan" that hate The LORD. The latter group, the "synagogue of Satan", are not authentic bloodline Jews. They are the crept in unawares of Jude, the "tares" in Christ's parable of the tares of the field. The Canaanites that crept in which the last verse of Zechariah 14 shows in that future time no longer are in the house of God.