Obey Acts 2:38.
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Save yourself from this modern day, untoward generation of Acts skippers.
Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Romans 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Now this is YOU -- Romans 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
And lets continue -- Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Romans 10:14-17 and Hebrews 4:12 are all fundamental principles. But who will want to hear seeing there is none righteous no, not one [without exception] that will seek after God? Romans 3:10-11.
Only those who are elected in eternity past before the foundation of the world who will hear/seek!
To God Be The Glory
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13 Which things also we speak, not in the words of man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
Are you spiritual or a regular secular reader?
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mailmandan
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Paul's point is a clear presentation of the gospel (faith comes by hearing) must precede saving faith in Christ/believing the gospel. We must first believe that Jesus is the Christ before we can trust in His death, burial and resurrection as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. (Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) Now in regards to Romans 10:16, we obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel. This is in perfect harmony with Hebrews 4:12.
Jesus said:
"No man can come to me except the Father draw him." John 6:44.
AND
"And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given him of my Father."
"From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him." John 6:65-66
Why did they walk away? Because today's gospel adheres to "accept and believe in Jesus Christ" and you will be saved, which is contrary to John 6:44 and John 6:65.
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mailmandan
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Although it is our responsibility to believe and we will be held accountable for unbelief (John 3:18), saving belief in Christ is not exclusively a matter of human decision. Unless the Father draws us and enables us/it has been granted him from the Father, we would never come to believe all by ourselves. The approach of the soul to Christ is initiated by the Father, but He doesn't force us to choose Christ, we must choose Him. The impulse to faith in Christ comes from God. Today's gospel found in Romans 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believes.. is not contrary to John 6:44 and John 6:65. "Drawn and enabled/granted" does not mean forced/fatalistic determination.
In John 6:60-61, we see that many of Jesus' disciples complained and were offended about what Jesus said in verses 51-59. These are the very so called "disciples" who Jesus says "do not believe." For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. (John 6:64) They also walked with Him no more. So apparently, these alleged disciples of Jesus set out to be learners and followers of Him (based on their own misconceptions and expectations) but as soon as Jesus said something that was hard for them to understand and did not line up with their expectations, they left Him. True disciples of the Master continue. In John 8:31, Jesus said - "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine." Those who do not continue in His word demonstrate that they are not truly disciples of Jesus.
Jesus clarifies for the Dan-ites....You obviously do not understand how to properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine.
Yes, believeth in Him "apart from additions or modifications." *What happened to baptism? Don't need to ask, "what happened to repentance" because repentance already took place in the process of changing our mind and choosing to believe in Christ unto salvation. Two sides to the same coin.
If water baptism was absolutely required for salvation, then God would not make so many statements in which He promises salvation/eternal life to those who simply BELIEVE.. (Luke 8:12; John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 5:24; 6:40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31; Romans 1:16; 4:5; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; 1 John 5:13 etc..).
If we don't repent then we will not believe the gospel and become saved. Repent "change of mind" - (new direction of that change of mind) - believe the gospel. Two sides to the same coin.
I already previously explained John 3:5; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38 to you in posts #610 #618 and #620 and these passages of scripture do not support the heretical doctrine of baptismal regeneration.
In Acts 2:37, their "belief" at this point was "mental assent" that Jesus was the Messiah and they were guilty of crucifying Him. That is not saving belief yet. They still lacked trust and reliance in Jesus Christ alone for salvation and that's why they still needed to repent and further (change their mind) to the point in which they place their faith in Christ alone for salvation.
*The link to this article below may very well be the reason why you are having a difficult time understanding this:
Faith and Repentance
Once again, in Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.
*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:47)
In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.
*So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony*
He that believeth AND IS baptized shall be saved.....Mark 16:16.
Did God's Spirit lead the 3000 to repentance and water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins(Acts 2:38-39) or just Peter?
mailmandan
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Jesus clarifies the first clause with the second clause for the Campbellites - ..but he who does not believe will be condemned.
...and Jesus, since He is intelligent, knew unbelievers do not get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins and shall be therefore damned.
The Dan-ites think Jesus debunked Himself in Mark 16:16.
mailmandan
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Mark 16:16(b) lines up perfectly with what Jesus said in (John 3:16,16,28; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25:26) and Jesus (unlike you) is not naïve to the fact that there have been numerous people who attend various false religions and cults that have been water baptized but do not truly believe unto salvation.
You are on record as taking the following positions...
1). Repentance takes the place of the WORD. By which, one repents - THEN will believe. One must repent in order to believe.
YOU said in Post #630 "If we don't repent then we will not believe the gospel and become saved."
Dan completely ignores Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Dan would have it read: So then faith cometh by
2). YOU then waffled in Post #646 which flies against your previously stated position that REPENTANCE comes FIRST and THEN faith (whew)!!
You have blathered on and change your position multiple times as the record reflects.
Acts 2 is the birth of the New testament church. To be saved in verse 38 has not changed. By this, there is no need to change position and waffle. This stands forever as God's word for salvation...
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
The Lord has not stopped calling.
mailmandan
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[QUOTE="Truther, post: 1061526, member: 8451"]Did God's Spirit lead the 3000 to repentance and water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins(Acts 2:38-39) or just Peter?[/QUOTE]
As I've asserted many, many times in the past, water baptism has no spiritual value! It can only wash the dirt off from our skin and NEVER from one's sins.
What God has in mind is the washing of regeneration set forth in Titus 3:5, to which only God can perform and did.
But read what Peter had to say in 1 Peter 3:21:
"The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us [not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,] by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"
To God Be The Glory
As I've asserted many, many times in the past, water baptism has no spiritual value! It can only wash the dirt off from our skin and NEVER from one's sins.
What God has in mind is the washing of regeneration set forth in Titus 3:5, to which only God can perform and did.
But read what Peter had to say in 1 Peter 3:21:
"The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us [not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,] by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"
To God Be The Glory
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In the Old Testament the ritual sign to join into the kingdom of God was "circumcision." In the New Testament the sign is "water baptism" and both signs have NO spiritual blessings! Both rituals are works that men perform and are contrary to Ephesians 2:9.
True! Only to those whom God elected to save from before the foundation of the world that are born throughout history, and then the end comes when the last of the elect have been saved.
To God Be The Glory
GRACE ambassador
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Amen! And Scripture Clearly Teaches The Body Of CHRIST That The
ONE BAPTISM {"Only God Can Perform!"} BY The Holy Spirit, is THE
"Spiritual VALUE" That Identifies us With CHRIST! not water! Amen?
One has but to look at denominational traditions of ADDING {TO GRACE}
an OT "ritual of water," for ISRAEL, that was FOR THEIR "remission of sins"
AND ONE of Three Requirements for the nation's "induction into their
priesthood" Unto God!
Is it possible that this ADDITION {TO GRACE} IS Forbidden By God, And
could be blasphemy Of His PURE And HOLY Word, Confusing Many today?
Full study always available:
13 Bible baptisms
Be Blessed!
Poll question for water is here:
Does God Require His OT "ritual" of water baptism, for us,
Today, Under HIS PURE GRACE?
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Peter was a remission of sins cult because of baptism in Acts 2:38?
Or, are the Acts 2:38 skippers in these last days the cult(which claim to be part of the bride and do not take the bridegroom's name)?
As I've asserted many, many times in the past, water baptism has no spiritual value! It can only wash the dirt off from our skin and NEVER from one's sins.
What God has in mind is the washing of regeneration set forth in Titus 3:5, to which only God can perform and did.
But read what Peter had to say in 1 Peter 3:21:
"The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us [not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,] by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"
To God Be The Glory[/QUOTE]
Question.
Does anything we do at all for God have spiritual value?
Giving?
Praying?
Witnessing?
Baptising?
Is there anything we can do physically that can create spiritual results?
Does Acts 2:38 clear our conscience via remission of sins?
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