rebuilder 454
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The trib is 7 yrs.
We know that.
The ac is hiding like everyone else during the wrath part.
"Ruling"..yes
How long?...at least 3.5 yrs
Actually Jesus returns twice...
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The ac is hiding like everyone else during the wrath part.
"Ruling"..yes
How long?...at least 3.5 yrs
rebuilder 454
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The rapture was always there. Darby only discovered what had been lying there, in plain sight, for hundreds of years.
The reason they play the Darby card , is like you said, they don't do investigation, they go by mens teaching.
IOW they can't honestly cast down our verses, so they go for personally discrediting us.
Tactics.
They can't honestly debate, so they revert to tactics.
The tactic of "discrediting your opponent", comes from Saul Alenski's book, "Rules for radicals".
It even states, " if losing a debate go against them personally"
Alenskis book was dedicated to lucifer.
( communism).
Now we see the actual source of some here with their mocking and personal mess.
The beast system is almost open for business...Just a couple more connections.
People seem to think the Data Centers are being built so you can have a nice talk with chat GPT or a place to store last years Christmas pictures.
rebuilder 454
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Soon postribbers will be face to face with the mark.
Take it or die.
No believers "go through" the trib.
We as the bride need to prioritize being full of the Holy Spirit/ oil in lamp and some extra..
rebuilder 454
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The Light
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Why would I need to pretend Daniel 9:27 is wrong? Please point out where the Word of God says that there is a 7 year tribulation in Daniel 9:27. The tribulation begins in the midst of the week not at the beginning of the week.
Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
I'm not saying there is not a final week. I am saying that the final week begins when the covenant with many is made.
There is no scripture that says that the Church is in heaven before the final week.
There is no scripture that says that the final week is 7 years of tribulation.
The Word of God says that there is only 3.5 years remaining in the 70th week of Daniel. FACT.
You need to re-read Daniel...
Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Has the covenant been confirmed?
The Light
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The Light
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There is a 7 year covenant with many that is made that begins the final week. Nothing there says the final week is a 7 year tribulation.
Also, nothing says that the seven year covenant with many is confirmed by the AC when it is made.
There is only 3.5 years remaining in the 70th week of Daniel.........time, times and half a time.
The Light
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No seals are opened so they have not appeared.
The seals will not be opened until after the Church is in heaven. Revelation 4, 5.
The Light
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The rider on the white horse is AN Antichrist, the beast of the earth. He is the 7th king who causes the world to worship the 8th king, the beast of the sea.
David in NJ
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untruth = pre-trib rapture
JESUS only spoke of One Second Coming = post-trib Resurrection
Actually, Jesus returning twice is man-made untruth
If those who speak falsehood will repent, you will know the truth and the truth will set you FREE
The Light
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What are you talking about? There are many believers that are killed in the great tribulation.
The Church will be raptured before the great tribulation.
Then part of Israel will have its eyes opened and will become believers. These are some of the seed of the woman, the twelve tribes across the earth.
Revelation 12
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Believers will be in the great tribulation. Here is the great tribulation.
Revelation 14
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
Believers are not appointed to wrath.
The great tribulation is when the dragon is killing believers. The wrath of God is when God is taking vengeance on unbelievers.
Until you understand the difference between the great tribulation and wrath of God you will not understand end times.
If they haven't been opened why does Revelation record Jesus having opened them? We already know the contents of them. We couldn't possibly know that unless they were opened first.
Spiritual Israelite
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He equates the "trib" only with God's wrath, while everyone else understands it as relating to a time of severe deception, wickedness, and apostasy as well as increased persecution of believers. So, he causes confusion by defining terms differently than everyone else.
Spiritual Israelite
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That's a good point. At the same time, why does it matter when they were opened, right? What matters is when the events related to each seal actually occurred or will occur.
Daniel 12
4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”
Revelation 22
10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near.
Yes they have been opened
They have been opened
Daniel 12
4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”
Revelation 22
10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near.
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