After your born again do you think you will never sin again?

[Jack]

What is so hard about giving them again? That was not love. Or do you mean the verses about people before Christ even died yet for our sins? They don't count because we all have sinned before becoming born again. Those people, including the disciples, like when Peter denied Jesus, did not have the power of the Holy Spirit in them. Do you even know what it is like to be born again of the Holy Spirit and have supernatural gifts you never had before?

What's so hard about looking up what I posted already?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

What's so hard about looking up what I posted already?

I did and they were from the gospels. They don't count as they couldn't have received the Holy Spirit yet until AFTER Jesus rose from the grave. Why is it you cannot love one another?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I think any view that says we are sinless is a faulty view..

EG, what does "never stumble" mean to you? That is scripture.

What state are we in when Jesus has finished what He started in us?

You are too used to believe the false doctrine of the Reformationists.

 

[Jack]

Were John and Paul saved?

John included himself at least 14 times here!
1 John 1:8-10
8 If WE say that WE have no sin, WE deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in US.
9 If WE confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

And Paul:
Romans 7:19-24
19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
24 O wretched man that I am!

 

[Jack]

I did and they were from the gospels. They don't count as they couldn't have received the Holy Spirit yet until AFTER Jesus rose from the grave. Why is it you cannot love one another?

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[Eternally Grateful]

Amen! And they fit nicely with works.

Not grace.. Grace and works do not mix.. its one or the other

rom 4: 3 for what does the scripture say? “abraham believed god and he accounted it to him as righteousness.” 4 now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but debt 5 but to him who does not work but believes on him who justifies the ungoldy , his his faith is accounted for righteousness

rom 11: 6 and if by grace, than it is no longer of works, ; otherwise grace is no longer grace.but if it is of works, then it is no longer of grace. otherwise work is no longer work


2 tim 1: 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works , but according to his own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began

titus 3: 4 but when the kindness and the love of god our savior toward man appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done , but according to his mercy he saved us through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our savior, 7 that having been justified by his grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life

I mean if you want to mix grace and works feel free. But in doing so. you cancel grace

OSAS? Nah.

I am not discussing OSAS. I am discussing the bible my friend..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

EG, what does "never stumble" mean to you? That is scripture.

I can only pray for you. that God will expose your sin, and your pride..

What state are we in when Jesus has finished what He started in us?

before I was lost. after I was found. Not based on my own good deeds. but based on his.

I was perfected forever. i am being sanctified. If I am sinless. i do not need to be sanctified, I already made it

You are too used to believe the false doctrine of the Reformationists.

I believe in the bible. not in churches or religions or denominations..

 

[Jack]

Not grace.. Grace and works do not mix.. its one or the other

rom 4: 3 for what does the scripture say? “abraham believed god and he accounted it to him as righteousness.” 4 now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but debt 5 but to him who does not work but believes on him who justifies the ungoldy , his his faith is accounted for righteousness

rom 11: 6 and if by grace, than it is no longer of works, ; otherwise grace is no longer grace.but if it is of works, then it is no longer of grace. otherwise work is no longer work


2 tim 1: 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works , but according to his own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began

titus 3: 4 but when the kindness and the love of god our savior toward man appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done , but according to his mercy he saved us through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our savior, 7 that having been justified by his grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life

I mean if you want to mix grace and works feel free. But in doing so. you cancel grace


I am not discussing OSAS. I am discussing the bible my friend..

If you don't have works, you don't have faith nor grace!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If you don't have works, you don't have faith nor grace!

And you were never saved.. Because you rejected grace through faith.

Works are a byproduct. Not a requirment

iuf your trying to earn swalvation by works.. you reject grace. and you will be no more saved than the jew who tried to add works of the law to the gospel of grace.

 

[Jack]

And you were never saved.. Because you rejected grace through faith.

Not me!

Works are a byproduct. Not a requirment

TOTAL contradiction!

James 2:20
20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?

You don't have works? Then your faith is DOA!

iuf your trying to earn swalvation by works..

No I'm not. That's a LIE!

you reject grace.

Another LIE!

and you will be no more saved than the jew who tried to add works of the law to the gospel of grace.

And you better learn what Jesus said about all liars.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Not me!

TOTAL contradiction!

James 2:20
20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?

You don't have works? Then your faith is DOA!

Dude your stuck on James 2

If your do not have faith. You’re still dead. And you will not have works

Take your focus off self and put it on God

No I'm not. That's a LIE!

Another LIE!

And you better learn what Jesus said about all liars.

Prove my lie

Everything I have said is proven by what you teach

 

[Wrangler]

What do those you say they do t Sun say if the verse that says then there is no truth in you?

 

[Jack]

Dude your stuck on James 2

If your do not have faith. You’re still dead. And you will not have works

But I do have Faith, Grace and works! Great combination, inseparable!

Take your focus off self and put it on God

Stop implying LIES!

Prove my lie

Everything I have said is proven by what you teach

Better get you some works!!!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

But I do have Faith, Grace and works! Great combination, inseparable!

But you reject Grace trying to add works

Your focused on self (works) not God

Stop implying LIES!

Better get you some works!!!

Who said I do not have any?

I am not foolish enough to think my works will cause God to save me.

 

[Jack]

But you reject Grace trying to add works

Another LIE!

Your focused on self (works) not God

Another LIE!

Who said I do not have any?

I am not foolish enough to think my works will cause God to save me.

"Faith without works is DEAD"! Jesus said so!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Were John and Paul saved?

John included himself at least 14 times here!
1 John 1:8-10
8 If WE say that WE have no sin, WE deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in US.
9 If WE confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

And Paul:
Romans 7:19-24
19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
24 O wretched man that I am!

@Armour of God @Eternally Grateful

Have you three ever actually studied to show yourself approved? Both the verses you posted from 1 John 1 and Romans 7 are BEFORE being born again and your desire to sin has been taken away. Read Romans 8:1-9 and Romans 7:5-6 about true Christians. Have you no idea of the POWER OF GOD?

Romans 8:9 "But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His."

1 John 3:9 "Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

 

[CrowCross]

Don't you even know "Faith without works is DEAD"? God said so.

There's a 1/2 dozen or so ways to interpret that verse...what do you say it means?

 

[CrowCross]

OSAS? Nah.

Then I would imagine you've already lost your salvation.

What's keeping you saved?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Another LIE!

Another LIE!

yawn..

Your words condemn you and prove I am right..

"Faith without works is DEAD"! Jesus said so!

Yes But jesus said we are saved by grace.. by trusting in him and recieveing his gift.l. Not by works.

so you have james and jesus at odds. (not to mentione James and Paul)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Then I would imagine you've already lost your salvation.

What's keeping you saved?

you can not lose what you do not have

the fact he thinks someon had living faith who has never done even one good works (james 2) is troublesome