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[The Gospel of Christ]

The correct instinct in 1890 should’ve been - “Yeah? Darwin’s micro is true and observable with the finches and moths, so what? His leap-of-faith macro evolution is garbage and still unproven and there are INDEED, dinosaur-class creatures described in the Bible, and yôm can mean eons depending on context, so it’s all in there plain as day." But because we’re ignorant, lied to, and deceived with simplistic ‘day’ and ‘whales,’ we needed to invent this absurd notion that not even the disciples of the apostles believed like Irenaeus, whose teacher Polycarp KNEW the disciples of CHRIST and sell it to battle the cult of Darwin while making Christianity look unhinged and completely insane scaring off millions from potentially following Christ. Which is exactly what it did over the last century.

If your simplistic, deceptive English Bibles said yôm everywhere day is with yôm's definition in the "notes" showing it can mean part of a day, a standard day, or vast epochs of time, you would've never thought 24 hours to begin with. And if your deceptive English Bibles properly said giant serpents and dragon-like creatures where it simplistically says "whales"; (if thats' not a deception I don't know what is) you would've known and argued that dinosaur class creatures already appear in the Bible.

To think that God created dinosaur-class creatures in yôm 5 and then humans immediately hours later in yôm 6 is laughable. Completely unhinged.

Again:

Genesis doesn’t say it.
The Hebrew doesn’t require it.
Genesis itself uses yôm more broadly.
And Christ Himself never claimed it.

So where, exactly, did the certainty come from?

Not from Genesis.
Not from the Hebrew.
Not from Christ.

It came from a later 19th-century ignorant English interpretation and then got preached as though God Himself had said it.

End of story.

 

[CrowCross]

The correct instinct in 1890 should’ve been - “Yeah? Darwin’s micro is true and observable with the finches and moths, so what? His leap-of-faith macro evolution is garbage and still unproven and there are INDEED, dinosaur-class creatures described in the Bible, and yôm can mean eons depending on context, so it’s all in there plain as day." But because we’re ignorant, lied to, and deceived with simplistic ‘day’ and ‘whales,’ we needed to invent this absurd notion that not even the disciples of the apostles believed like Irenaeus, whose teacher Polycarp KNEW the disciples of CHRIST and sell it to battle the cult of Darwin while making Christianity look unhinged and completely insane scaring off millions from potentially following Christ. Which is exactly what it did over the last century.

The lie is this so-called belief in an old earth...and the "bible believers" grasping onto the belief and forcing the days in Gen 1 to be considered as "eons" or what ever term one likes to use to define a long time span.....and as a result denying the biblical world wide flood flood of Noah and the catastrophic results produced by it....claiming it was "eons" that produced the geological strata and the features we see in them.

If your simplistic, deceptive English Bibles said yôm everywhere day is with yôm's definition in the "notes" showing it can mean part of a day, a standard day, or vast epochs of time, you would've never thought 24 hours to begin with. And if your deceptive English Bibles properly said giant serpents and dragon-like creatures where it simplistically says "whales"; (if thats' not a deception I don't know what is) you would've argued that dinosaur class creatures already appear in the Bible.

I'm not quite sure just what you're getting at here...but there were "dragons" that were contemporaneous with man prior to the flood of Noah as well as after the flood...brought through the flood on the ark that God had Noah build.

To think that God created dinosaur-class creatures in yôm 5 and then humans immediately hours later in yôm 6 is laughable. Completely unhinged.

I think your belief that a dead man could raise himself up from the grave on day 3...after suffering the death on a cross...a spear thrust into his side.....Yet can't believe that this same man who died on the cross ALSO was the creator of the earth and all that was in it. To be honest...that's unhinged. That's a pick and choose miracle bible...a bible that has been filtered through and conformed to atheistic beliefs such as the rock strata were not formed in the biblical world wide flood of Noah....but rather required these "eons" between the biblical YOMS to form.

Again:

Genesis doesn’t say it.
The Hebrew doesn’t require it.
Genesis itself uses yôm more broadly.
And Christ Himself never claimed it.

The book of Genesis speaks in a language of time markers surrounding the word YOM during the creation period. The verses are bracketed with evening and morning....natural terms found within a 24 hour dialog that are understandable to this very day.

So where, exactly, did the certainty come from?

Not from Genesis.
Not from the Hebrew.
Not from Christ.

It came from a later interpretation and then got preached as though God Himself had said it.

End of story.

The end of the story is you have turned Genesis into a work of fiction.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

The lie is this so-called belief in an old earth...and the "bible believers" grasping onto the belief and forcing the days in Gen 1 to be considered as "eons" or what ever term one likes to use to define a long time span.....and as a result denying the biblical world wide flood flood of Noah and the catastrophic results produced by it....claiming it was "eons" that produced the geological strata and the features we see in them.

I'm not quite sure just what you're getting at here...but there were "dragons" that were contemporaneous with man prior to the flood of Noah as well as after the flood...brought through the flood on the ark that God had Noah build.

I think your belief that a dead man could raise himself up from the grave on day 3...after suffering the death on a cross...a spear thrust into his side.....Yet can't believe that this same man who died on the cross ALSO was the creator of the earth and all that was in it. To be honest...that's unhinged. That's a pick and choose miracle bible...a bible that has been filtered through and conformed to atheistic beliefs such as the rock strata were not formed in the biblical world wide flood of Noah....but rather required these "eons" between the biblical YOMS to form.

The book of Genesis speaks in a language of time markers surrounding the word YOM during the creation period. The verses are bracketed with evening and morning....natural terms found within a 24 hour dialog that are understandable to this very day.

The end of the story is you have turned Genesis into a work of fiction.

You just proved my point.

I never said God couldn’t create everything in six 24-hour periods. He could do it in six seconds.

So dragging the resurrection into this is irrelevant.

God’s power is not under dispute here. Your interpretation of yôm is.

And you still haven't produced the verse that says: YÔM = EXACTLY 24 HOURS.

Instead you repeat “evening and morning” as though poetic, descriptive boundary-markers somehow convert an ancient Hebrew sequence into a 24-hour stopwatch.

Then you call the old earth “the lie” because you already believe Flood geology.

Thats circular: 24-hour days > young earth > Flood geology > therefore the days must be 24 hours.

And then you say dragons were carried through the Flood on the ark.

Fine.

Book. Chapter. Verse. Please. >

Show me where Genesis says Noah loaded dinosaurs or dragons onto the ark.

And saying I've turned Genesis into "fiction" because I refuse to force yôm into your one English meaning is pure projection and beyond comical. That fiction already occurred in the 19th century and your ancestors bought it.

I’m pointing you back to the Hebrew. You’re pointing me back to a system you can’t corroborate from the text itself.

That's the difference.

You haven’t shown that Genesis requires 24 hours.

You’ve shown that your fictional 19th-century theology that doesn't actually follow the Hebrew language requires Genesis to require 24 hours.

 

[CrowCross]

You just proved my point.

I never said God couldn’t create everything in six 24-hour periods. He could do it in six seconds.

Where did I say Jesus couldn't have created in six 24 hour periods?

I agree. Jesus could have created in 6 seconds..or even six milli-seconds....BUT...the bible doesn't say this.

You base your definition of YOM on atheistic theory. Why should I even begin to think YOM equals "eons"?

So dragging the resurrection into this is irrelevant.

It is very relevant. You base your interpretation on what you consider as a scientific impossibility. YET you now want to believe in a scientific impossibility concerning the resurrection of Jesus.

God’s power is not under dispute here. Your interpretation of yôm is.

No, Jesus' power isn't under dispute. I simply follow what the bible tells us...following the narrative.
It is you who removes evening and morning....daily terms....from the narrative.
What you will do next is change the meaning of evening and morning to make evening and morning to mean what it doesn't mean. When you reply to tis portion of my reply you will do exactly that.

And you still haven't produced the verse that says: YÔM = EXACTLY 24 HOURS.

We do know the earth is slowing down....so it may not have been exactly 24 hours. What we do know from reading the bible is that the 24 hours can't be expanded to mean "eons".

Instead you repeat “evening and morning” as though poetic, descriptive boundary-markers somehow convert an ancient Hebrew sequence into a 24-hour stopwatch.

Evening and morning describe elements of a typical day....not eons.
A 5th grader would read Genesis and understand YOM means a 24 hour long day.
Sheeze, you would have the plants not receiving sun light for an eon....how does that work without the plants dying?

Then you call the old earth “the lie” because you already believe Flood geology.

They go hand in hand.....You deny the world wide flood based upon atheistic beliefs.

Thats circular: 24-hour days > young earth > Flood geology > therefore the days must be 24 hours.

Not quite. I say the earth was created in 6 24 hour long days...I say there was a flood that demonstrates the rock strata were deposited quickly and eons of time were not required. It's simply one evidence supporting another evidence. Evidence you apply your atheistic beliefs to and then use to deny the bible.

And then you say dragons were carried through the Flood on the ark.

Fine.

Book. Chapter. Verse. Please. >

No problem...Gen 6:19 And you are to bring two of every living creature into the ark—male and female—to keep them alive with you. 20 Two of every kind of bird and animal and crawling creature will come to you to be kept alive.

Those animals mentioned would contain "dragons".

Show me where Genesis says Noah loaded dinosaurs or dragons onto the ark.

I just did using Gen 6 in the above paragraph. Considering dinosaurs were alive at that time...as well as after the flood...they would have been brought onboard the ark. The dinosaurs would have been part of the "two of every living creature "

And saying I've turned Genesis into "fiction" because I refuse to force yôm into your one English meaning is pure projection and beyond comical. That fiction already occurred in the 19th century and your ancestors bought it.

You have turned Genesis into fiction. You base your whole argument on atheistic concepts. Then you force those theories into the bible.

I’m pointing you back to the Hebrew. You’re pointing me back to a system you can’t corroborate from the text itself.

Really? Yom contains a morning and evening...not MANY mornings and evening.
Show me how the text supports many morning and evenings?

That's the difference.

You haven’t shown that Genesis requires 24 hours.

According to you I haven't. According to your uniformitarian atheistic beliefs I haven't.

You’ve shown that your fictional 19th-century theology that doesn't actually follow the Hebrew language requires Genesis to require 24 hours.

Your very same atheistic beliefs say Jesus didn't rise from the dead...it would have been impossible...yet, for some reason you believe Jesus did.....all the while dismissing what the bible says about Jesus creating in six 24 hour long days.
Sheeze even the ten commandments confirm 6 24 hour long days...

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Just so we’re all on the same page here about what you’re claiming:

Yom 1: God creates light and separates light from darkness - exactly 24 hours.

Yom 2: God makes the expanse and separates the waters - exactly 24 hours.

Yom 3: God brings forth dry land, seas, vegetation, seed-bearing plants and fruit trees - exactly 24 hours.

Yom 4: God appoints the sun, moon and stars to govern day and night and mark seasons, days and years - exactly 24 hours. Of course the very celestial objects used to govern and mark "24 hours" weren’t even appointed until Yom 4, but apparently that doesn’t matter; just ignore it.

Yom 5: God fills the seas with swarming creatures, creates the great tannînîm - great sea creatures/monsters with giant serpentine and dragon-like imagery and creates the flying creatures - exactly 24 hours.

Yom 6: God creates the land animals, livestock, creeping things, wild beasts and finally mankind - exactly 24 hours.

So this entire staggering progression of creation supposedly occurs in six consecutive 24-hour blocks.

Fine.

But then Genesis 2:4 turns around and says: “in the yôm that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.”

Wait a minute.

You just told me yôm means one exact 24-hour period.

Yet Genesis has just described the creation across Yom 1, Yom 2, Yom 3, Yom 4, Yom 5 and Yom 6 and then Genesis 2:4 summarizes that same creative work using the singular yôm: “in the yôm that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.”

So apparently:

Yom 1 = 24 hours.
Yom 2 = 24 hours.
Yom 3 = 24 hours.
Yom 4 = 24 hours.
Yom 5 = 24 hours.
Yom 6 = 24 hours.

But somehow all six yôm combined together can also be, you guessed it, 24 hours!

As taught at the theological seminary of Gomer Pyle and Boss Hogg.

And spare me another ‘evening and morning’ loop. Those words mark the sequence and boundaries of each yôm; they do not tell you that each span lasted exactly 24 hours.

As Yoda said to Luke... “That... is why you fail.”

Not to mention that under this compressed reading, the animal world is barely hours old before Genesis has a cunning serpent (He created 12 - 24 hours earlier) confronting and deceiving mankind. Apparently creation went from brand-new ecosystem to sophisticated deception before the paint was even dry.