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Discussion in 'Christian Debate Forum' started by CNKW3, Jun 9, 2019.

  1. bbyrd009

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    tares is how he knows it, tares are psychoactive, yeh? Not just "weeds" as his wolf has surely taught him, see
     
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    work to make your calling and election sure maybe
     
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    why do you think we are trying to chase you out of here bro, you are a sick puppy ok, the worst your religion has to offer imo. All knowledge flows from your anus, right, where the sun rose this morning too? Do all "believers" have this disease, or just most of them?

    "The cure for Christianity is reading the Bible"
    and your mother is the liar ok. She died of some wasting disease i bet huh
    prolly lots of moaning and pus and whatnot? Doctors, i see lots of allopaths surrounding her? Tell me i'm wrong, go head
    you are one of the wise that Scripture is being hidden from, duh.
    Hopefully obvious enough to anyone with a pulse at this point.
     
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  4. GodsGrace

    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    You cannot know for sure, GE,,,as you well know,,,until your time to die comes.
    Will you be one of those that persevere?
    ONLY THEY are the chosen.

    Now think of this...
    IF I choose God,,,I can know for sure that I am saved.
     
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    No bb..I don't think they have a way to be sure.
    Someone asked Piper this and he replied that the spirit speaks to the spirit.
    Yeah, well, sometimes we hear what we want to hear and not what really is.

    Only those of us that CHOSE GOD can be sure that WE CHOSE HIM.
    John 3:16
     
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    They persevere who realise they don't and can't persevere and be saved, except God loved them! Only they persevere who believe, insist, pray, that they come short in the Righteousness of Jesus Christ until they breathed their last breath. Only such are not fooling themselves with <IF's>.
     
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    Even were it true it is not what saved you, but insist it is what saved you and not God by sheer impenetrable Will His Own, and this unworthiest of unworthy can and must tell you, you're going to find out you have never been saved. Why? Because, Only those of us that chose God can be sure that NOT we, but HE, first chose us, not we, Him.
     
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    You'd be right if you agreed with scripture...but you do not.

    First of all, only God knows who is saved and not you.

    Secondly, if calvinist theology is correct, could you explain to me The Lord' Prayer?

    Matthew 6:13
    And do not lead us in to temptation, but deliver us from evil...

    Jesus taught us the above prayer.
    Why is Jesus asking God Father not to "lead us" into temptation if Jesus knew very well that God had already predestinated everything?

    Was Jesus attempting to reject the Father's will?
     
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    I am not easily drawn into argument over God's Free and Sovereign Grace, Will and Love unto Salvation of HIS OWN. But nowadays attacks on the Election of God are aimed at God rather than the doctrine, and the warmongers think everybody has forgotten the great host of past champions of its truth, and like leeches they with malevolence and charlatanry try suck their victims empty of their faith -- or so they think, because, if they succeeded in destroying the assurance and trust of one poor soul, they revel as if they have destroyed the doctrine and triumphed over his Word and God Himself.
     
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    Right...is all you have attacks?

    How about answering my post no. 1048?
    Or do you never actually think about what you believe?
     
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    Christiaan Gerhardus Ebersöhn
    Just now ·
    <Only those of us that CHOSE GOD can be sure that WE CHOSE HIM> as sure as that next moment WE WILL deny, betray and forsake Him.
     
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    Only GOD knows whom HE saved and not you;
    and ONLY God makes known to whom HE saved that He chose him and had saved him, once for all, through Jesus Christ ... and you or I won't know
    unless it's ourselves whom He saved.
    And ONLY God gives to whom HE saved, faith,
    that the saved can believe [or rather may believe as Karl Barth said]
    (and you and I will be obliged to believe his confession).
    So the saved MAY believe in GOD who chose him to save him
    having ELECTED such prodigal vagabond as he,
    OUT of the whole already LOST mass
    without merit on his part or him however fractionally having earned or
    contributed to his salvation whether with one or innumerable choices his own.
     
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    Could be.
    But it's MY choice and so I'm sure of what I have chosen.
     
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    I'm sure the above is all very good.

    But are you ever going to answer my post no. 1048?
     
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    FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH...
     
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    Because nothing is revealed unto anyone unless by the sovereign will, power, and DECISION of God Almighty in the Council of THE FULL FELLOWSHIP OF FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT. If you have any problems with the Lord's Prayer, do not feel alone friend. But sorry, I cannot help you in your prayer-life, I have troubles more than I can handle with my own. Let go and let God...
     
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    Who said I had troubles in my prayer life?
    Not me.

    I know what I asked you is a very difficult question to answer when one believes in calvinist theology.

    This is because, for YOU, there is no answer.

    For ME, there is since I believe in what the bible teaches.
    But please do continue to NOT USE YOUR COMMON SENSE....
    since this is the ONLY way one could possibly believe in calvinism.

    Perhaps you could ask your pastor HOW YOU COULD ANSWER MY QUESTION?
    Let's see if HE knows....
     
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    Because he has revealed WHO the chosen are. And it’s not specific individuals. It is everybody who has obeyed the conditions of election. Read 1 Peter 1.
    1 Peter 1:1-2 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
    He is writing to the ELECT. They are the elect through “obedience, sanctification, and the blood”. Not because God has just randomly picked out some people.

    1 Peter 1:22-23 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
    The ELECT have purified their souls through obedience to the the truth. This IS NOT God hand picking individuals he likes.

    1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
    The elect are those who have been born again. And we know that process comes through water and the Spirit. Jn 3:5. Those who have “purified theirs souls through obeying the truth through the Spirit.

    1 Peter 1:14-15 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
    The ELECT are those who have been called. How are we called? Through the gospel. 2 thes 2:13,14

    1 Peter 1:18-19 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
    The ELECT have been redeemed by the blood of Christ. We know through Eph 1 that redemption is found “in Christ”.eph 1:7 The ELECT are those who are “in Christ”. Gal 3:26-29

    Have you been born of water and the Spirit? Have you obeyed the truth of the gospel? Are you “in Christ”. The Bible teaches one is “baptized into Christ”. Rom 6 and Gal 3, 1 Cor 12..
    This is who the ELECT are.
     
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    I Agree.
    I was speaking with a calvinist and they don't believe what you posted above.
     
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