All the fulness of Deity dwells in Him Bodily !

[Heyzeus]

The Three make up the ONE True God of the Bible.

That is what the Trinity doctrine States - Agreed - and that they all are from the same Godhead ... agreed ..

 

[justbyfaith]

Interesting - but need more info .. curious about the incarnation idea ?

The blind will be leaders of the blind.

 

[kcnalp]

No, you are saying Jesus misspoke.

You needed to be there to fix his mistake?

No, I'm saying you are a lying messenger of Satan attacking our SINLESS Savior Jesus.

 

[Truther]

Interesting - but need more info .. curious about the incarnation idea ?

I have debated it for years and come to realize that there was no incarnationist bias in the KJV.

The modern versions are openly biased, even saying God has a human nature in some of them.

 

[justbyfaith]

Yes, Jesus, a man, said ...God is a Spirit.

Do you think he misspoke?

Do you think He misspoke when He said that the Word was God (a Spirit)?

And that the Word (a Spirit) became flesh?

 

[ChristisGod]

The plain meaning bothers you?...


8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

I see you cannot deal with John 1:1 and John 17:5. The SAME Father and Son in John 15:5 is the SAME Father and Son in John 1:1 before creation sharing the Glory of God together in the unity of the Trinity.

No one can say Jesus is YHWH(LORD) except by the Holy Spirit !

Jesus said unless you believe I Am (YHWH)you will die in your sins !

Paul said only one who confesses Jesus is (YHWH)LORD can be saved !

hope this helps !!!

 

[Truther]

You are attacking our SINLESS Savior Jesus! You are a messenger of Satan.

Oh, stop it.

You need to listen to Jesus and think about what he is saying, instead of defending your belief system.

I had to go through that, myself...not fun.

 

[kcnalp]

Oh, stop it.

You need to listen to Jesus and think about what he is saying, instead of defending your belief system.

I had to go through that, myself...not fun.

Jesus was GOOD! You are lying!

 

[Truther]

Do you think He misspoke when He said that the Word was God (a Spirit)?

And that the Word (a Spirit) became flesh?

The spoken word was God...precisely.

A separate person nicknamed "the Word", no.

 

[kcnalp]

The spoken word was God...precisely.

A separate person nicknamed "the Word", no.

You constantly attack our Savior!

 

[Truther]

I see you cannot deal with John 1:1 and John 17:5. The SAME Father and Son in John 15:5 is the SAME Father and Son in John 1:1 before creation sharing the Glory of God together in the unity of the Trinity.

No one can say Jesus is YHWH(LORD) except by the Holy Spirit !

Jesus said unless you believe I Am (YHWH)you will die in your sins !

Paul said only one who confesses Jesus is (YHWH)LORD can be saved !

hope this helps !!!

The "I am" speaking through Jesus was the Father(Holy Ghost) inside him, speaking THROUGH him...correct?

 

[justbyfaith]

Jesus is the Lord in Joel, Isaiah and Jeremiah

Joel 2:27-32
32 "And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of the LORD
Will be delivered;
For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
There will be those who escape,
As the LORD has said,
Even among the survivors whom the LORD calls.

Paul quotes Joel below and says it is Jesus who is the Lord(YHWH) whom all will call upon


Romans 10:9-13
9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of C all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."


Isaiah 45:21-24
Is it not I, the LORD?
And there is no other God besides Me,
A righteous God and a Savior;
There is none except Me.
22 " Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth;
For I am God, and there is no other.
23 "I have sworn by Myself,
The word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness
And will not turn back,
That to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance.
24 "They will say of Me, 'Only in the LORD are righteousness and strength.'


Now Paul quotes Isaiah about YHWH and declares it is Jesus(YHWH) whom all will bow before,

Philippians 2:9-11
For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


Jeremiah 17:10 the Lord says
"I the LORD search the heart, I test the mind. Even to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his doings"

In Revelation 2:23 Jesus says
"I am He who searches the minds and hearts and I will give to each one of you according to your works"

So if Jesus is not God why would he claim to do something in Revelation that Yahweh claimed in Jeremiah?

So is it Yahweh or Jesus who searches hearts and minds?

The only name that can possibly be above all names is the name of YHWH. This means that Jesus shares the personal name and authority of YHWH, making Him God Himself as no one can be equal to God except God alone. Only an unbeliever would deny these truths from Scripture.

hope this helps !!!

You forgot this one:

Act 4:10, Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Act 4:11, This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Act 4:12, Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

 

[Truther]

Jesus was GOOD! You are lying!

Technically, yes, because the Good God(Holy Ghost) made him that way.

But, he gave all his credit back to his good God.

 

[kcnalp]

The "I am" speaking through Jesus was the Father(Holy Ghost) inside him, speaking THROUGH him...correct?

You have lost all credibility saying Jesus was a sinner!

 

[kcnalp]

Technically, yes, because the Good God(Holy Ghost) made him that way.

But, he gave all his credit back to his good God.

Twist, Twist, Twist! You said Jesus wasn't good. Only Satan's children would say what you say!

 

[Truther]

You constantly attack our Savior!

Actually, I don't misrepresent him and I give him back his true identity as the redo of the 1st Adam, not "God becoming the last Adam".

 

[justbyfaith]

The spoken word was God...precisely.

A separate person nicknamed "the Word", no.

I agree.

So the Word (God, a Spirit) became flesh according to John 1:14...however, you said that such a concept is unthinkable...I said it is both thinkable and scriptural.

 

[kcnalp]

Actually, I don't misrepresent him and I give him back his true identity as the redo of the 1st Adam, not "God becoming the last Adam".

If you refuse to say Jesus was GOOD you are a messenger of Satan!

 

[Truther]

You have lost all credibility saying Jesus was a sinner!

You can be without sin but not be considered "good" by God's standards.

Just being a perfect human is not enough compared to a Spirit God that is pure holiness.

Think about it.

 

[Truther]

Twist, Twist, Twist! You said Jesus wasn't good. Only Satan's children would say what you say!

Actually, this is a good conversation, and I like your tenacity.

 

[Truther]

I agree.

So the Word (God, a Spirit) became flesh according to John 1:14...however, you said that such a concept is unthinkable...I said it is both thinkable and scriptural.

According to Jesus in John 4:24, it is unthinkable in his description of what God consists of.