Another Gospel “faith alone”!

[theefaith]

Another gospel: “Faith alone”

Galatians 1:6
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

Galatians 1:7
Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

2 Tim 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

1 cor 13:2
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

1 cor 13:13
And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. (Not faith alone)

Not faith alone:
Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

James 2:24
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Rom 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

If we are saved by faith alone then when we first believed we would be saved?

1 Peter 1:9
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

End of your faith not the beginning!


Charity required:

Deut. 6:5
5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema.

Matthew 5:16
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 8:42
Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

John 14:28
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

1 cor 13:2
all faith without charity avails nothing.

1 cor 13:12 now abide faith, hope, and charity, and the greatest of these is charity.

If salvation was by “faith alone” then faith would be the greatest!!!

Matt 5 the merciful obtain mercy!

1 Peter 4:8
And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.

 

[theefaith]

1 cor 13:13
And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. (Not faith alone)

 

[atpollard]

“Faith Alone” (Sola Fide in Latin from the Reformers) means “justification by faith without the need for religious works to earn that justification” … and comes from scripture (as did all of the Reformation arguments that challenged RCC Traditions) like this: “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.” [Ephesians 2:8-9]

So your task is not to refute the Reformers “Sola Fide” or those that follow in their footsteps by affirming justification by “Faith alone” … you must refute Paul and explain why Ephesians really means the opposite of what it says or why it needs to be ripped from scripture as NOT INSPIRED BY GOD.

 

[Charlie24]

“Faith Alone” (Sola Fide in Latin from the Reformers) means “justification by faith without the need for religious works to earn that justification” … and comes from scripture (as did all of the Reformation arguments that challenged RCC Traditions) like this: “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.” [Ephesians 2:8-9]

So your task is not to refute the Reformers “Sola Fide” or those that follow in their footsteps by affirming justification by “Faith alone” … you must refute Paul and explain why Ephesians really means the opposite of what it says or why it needs to be ripped from scripture as NOT INSPIRED BY GOD.

Well said, atpollard! I see nothing to be added to that, well done!

 

[theefaith]

“Faith Alone” (Sola Fide in Latin from the Reformers) means “justification by faith without the need for religious works to earn that justification” … and comes from scripture (as did all of the Reformation arguments that challenged RCC Traditions) like this: “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.” [Ephesians 2:8-9]

So your task is not to refute the Reformers “Sola Fide” or those that follow in their footsteps by affirming justification by “Faith alone” … you must refute Paul and explain why Ephesians really means the opposite of what it says or why it needs to be ripped from scripture as NOT INSPIRED BY GOD.

eph 2:8 does not refer to you’re salvation it’s already past tense when Paul wrote it so it refers redemption accomplished by Christ apart from our involvement

Christian faith includes baptism Jn 3:5 by water and the spirit and not faith alone 1 cor 13:2 and 1 cor 13/13

 

[atpollard]

eph 2:8 does not refer to you’re salvation

Yes it does refer to my salvation. Read it again, it says so right in the text:
“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.” [Ephesians 2:8-9]

It says that I have been saved ...

• by grace
• through faith
• not of myself
• the gift of God
• not the result of works
• so that I may not boast.

You are denying the clear word of God.
Shame on you.

 

[atpollard]

FYI: Even the RCC acknowledges that God can save without Baptism ... or else all death-bed confessions and infant deaths before baptism MUST result in damnation because God cannot save without "water baptism" [or fill in any other sacrament]. We both know that the RCC claims no such limitation of God's ability to save. However Ephesians 2 applies to all since I know of no claim that God saves those that have no faith in Him ... even among Catholics.

 

[theefaith]

Yes it does refer to my salvation. Read it again, it says so right in the text:
“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.” [Ephesians 2:8-9]

It says that I have been saved ...

• by grace
• through faith
• not of myself
• the gift of God
• not the result of works
• so that I may not boast.

You are denying the clear word of God.
Shame on you.

it’s a misunderstanding not denial on either mine or your part

1) you claim you were “saved” without faith?
2) you claim you were “saved” before you were born?
3) if it’s not your faith, then who’s?
4) what does quickened mean in vs 1?
5) since it’s grace and not something we do, your saying all men are saved?

redemption, justification, sanctification, and salvation are not the same:

See below

 

[theefaith]

Redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
Galatians 2:16 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!

(Redemption is not Salvation)
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Sanctification: the life of grace in the holy sacrifice of the mass and sacraments, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Suffering required for glorification with Christ!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Justification and salvation are not the same rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

 

[theefaith]

Baptism is the initiation of the new and eternal covenant!

You cannot enter on you’re own or by “faith alone”!

Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Baptismal regeneration a new creation in Christ! 2 Cor 5:17

A sacrament is an oath! A sacred promise from God! Ez 36:25-27
Acts 2:38-39 (this promise)

No baptism no grace!

A sacrament is an outward sign for all men including infants And a gift from God to help us see what he does inwardly and invisibly by his grace!

As grace Washes our souls in the merits of Jesus blood from original and personal sin, so the outward action of washing is visible!

without the outward action the inward action cannot take place!

Jn 3:5 Titus 3:5 water and washing
acts 22:16 wash away your sin!

Jn 3:5 Born again BY water and the spirit! Not by “faith alone”!

They did not go to Jerusalem and preach “accept Christ as you’re personal Lord and savior “

They went to the river (water) and they baptized! Jn 3:22

A covenant requires an outward sign of the inward action of grace!

Ez 36:25 I will sprinkle you with clean water and you shall be made white as snow.

Acts 22:16 washing away your sins.

Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

1 pet 3:21 baptism saves you.

You cannot enter on you’re own or by faith alone!

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Heb 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,


Baptism!

God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 eph 2

Born again! Born from above!

'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who I has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by God thru baptism!



Christ instituted the holy church for the salvation of all men, (repent and believe the gospel, with the institution of the sacraments to convey grace to sanctify souls!


Effects of faith & baptism!

Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptist
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 eph 2:1 and 5 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 4:5 one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!

“Faith alone” accomplishes nothing!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith (alone) without charity avails NOTHING!!!

Faith and baptism!

Scripture says none of the things about “Faith alone”!

2 Peter 1:11
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

The Christian sacrament of baptism is the Initiation into the new covenant and must be ministered to you by the apostles!




“Faith alone”

Questions

where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

How can you enter by your own if it must be ministered to you? Baptism is done unto you, “not do it yourself by faith alone”

Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?

Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is found in scripture?

They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 4:5 one baptism

Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???

When we first believed we are saved?

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

How can salvation be nearer than when we first believed if you’re saved by believing?

1 pet 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.

How can salvation happen when we first believed if it’s the end?

If salvation is by “faith alone” then faith would be the greatest!
1 cor 13:13 charity is the greatest!

Even all faith much less “faith alone” without charity avails nothing!
1 cor 13:2

Faith alone” unbiblical!

 

[atpollard]

it’s a misunderstanding not denial on either mine or your part

1) you claim you were “saved” without faith?
2) you claim you were “saved” before you were born?
3) if it’s not your faith, then who’s?
4) what does quickened mean in vs 1?
5) since it’s grace and not something we do, your saying all men are saved?

redemption, justification, sanctification, and salvation are not the same:

See below

Foul. Moving the goal posts in the middle of a play.

Sola Fide (Faith Alone) is “justification by faith apart from the need for works of righteousness”.
When the RCC adds “sacraments” as prerequisites or co-requisites to being “in Christ”, it is adding works of righteousness by men as a limitation on God’s ability to save. This is exactly what the Reformers objected to and disagreed with.

Ephesians 2:10 comes AFTER Ephesians 2:8-9 for a reason. Sola Fide (Faith Alone) objects to attempts to place the works of Ephesians 2:10 before the gift of Ephesians 2:8-9.

 

[Behold]

Another gospel: “Faith alone”

You just denied Paul's Gospel that teaches.... "faith is counted as righteousness" and "Abraham was justified by faith, and "Grace through Faith, without works", and "to him that worketh not, but believeth in GOD who Justifies the UNGODLY""... and "all that call on the name of Jesus shall be saved" and "all that believe in me, i give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish""", and "" that from childhood thou hast known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through FAITH which is in Christ Jesus."""""

See all those, theefaith?

You just denied The Gospel of Paul, as all those verses say that Faith is accepted by God to save you.
You are teaching the "cult of mary" blasphemy that denies Paul, is Anti-Cross, and substitutes WORKS and WATER, in place of GOD's GRACE which is "BY FAITH".

Listen..

JESUS on the CROSS is our ONLY Salvation... So, How can you get what He has accomplished other then FAITH? As you can't do it, so you must BELIEVE IT..

"without FAITH it is impossible to please God".

"the WORK of GOD, is that you BELIEVE in Jesus, whom God Sent".

 

[atpollard]

1) you claim you were “saved” without faith?
2) you claim you were “saved” before you were born?
3) if it’s not your faith, then who’s?
4) what does quickened mean in vs 1?
5) since it’s grace and not something we do, your saying all men are saved?

By the numbers:
Q1) you claim you were “saved” without faith?

• No. Faith is a gift from God.
  
• “as God has allotted to each a measure of faith” [Romans 12:3]
  
• “it is the gift of God” [Ephesians 2:8]
• “to another [is given] faith by the same Spirit” [1 Corinthians 12:9]

Q2) you claim you were “saved” before you were born?

• No. I was predestined for salvation.
• “He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world” [Ephesians 1:4]
  
• “He predestined us to adoption” [Ephesians 1:5]
• “those whom He foreknew, He also predestined” [Romans 8:29]
  
• “these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified” [Romans 8:30]

Q3) if it’s not your faith, then who’s?

• “it is the gift of God” [Ephesians 2:8]

Q4) what does quickened mean in vs 1?

• [confused]
  
• [Eph 2:1 KJV] 1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;
  • Quickened = (Made alive)
• My translation just renders the verse “You were dead …”
• [Eph 2:1] 1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins

Q5) since it’s grace and not something we do, your saying all men are saved?

• No.
• John 3:18 “Anyone who believes in him is not condemned, but anyone who does not believe is already condemned, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.”
• John 6:44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
• John 10:26-27 “But you don’t believe because you are not of my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, I know them, and they follow me.”
• Romans 9:15-16 “For he tells Moses, I will show mercy to whom I will show mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then, it does not depend on human will or effort but on God who shows mercy.”
• Romans 9:21-22 “Or has the potter no right over the clay, to make from the same lump one piece of pottery for honor and another for dishonor? And what if God, wanting to display his wrath and to make his power known, endured with much patience objects of wrath prepared for destruction?”

 

[theefaith]

Foul. Moving the goal posts in the middle of a play.

Sola Fide (Faith Alone) is “justification by faith apart from the need for works of righteousness”.
When the RCC adds “sacraments” as prerequisites or co-requisites to being “in Christ”, it is adding works of righteousness by men as a limitation on God’s ability to save. This is exactly what the Reformers objected to and disagreed with.

Ephesians 2:10 comes AFTER Ephesians 2:8-9 for a reason. Sola Fide (Faith Alone) objects to attempts to place the works of Ephesians 2:10 before the gift of Ephesians 2:8-9.

thanks for not answering my questions!

according to you all men are saved?

 

[theefaith]

You just denied Paul's Gospel that teaches.... "faith is counted as righteousness" and "Abraham was justified by faith, and "Grace through Faith, without works", and "to him that worketh not, but believeth in GOD who Justifies the UNGODLY""... and "all that call on the name of Jesus shall be saved" and "all that believe in me, i give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish""", and "" that from childhood thou hast known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through FAITH which is in Christ Jesus."""""

See all those, theefaith?

You just denied The Gospel of Paul, as all those verses say that Faith is accepted by God to save you.
You are teaching the "cult of mary" blasphemy that denies Paul, is Anti-Cross, and substitutes WORKS and WATER, in place of GOD's GRACE which is "BY FAITH".

Listen..

JESUS on the CROSS is our ONLY Salvation... So, How can you get what He has accomplished other then FAITH? As you can't do it, so you must BELIEVE IT..

"without FAITH it is impossible to please God".

"the WORK of GOD, is that you BELIEVE in Jesus, whom God Sent".

1) that rejects works alone!
2) baptism is part of the faith we must believe Mk 16:16 and not faith alone
3) Paul says we are brought to life in Christ eph 2:1 quickened
By faith and baptism


Baptism is the initiation of the new and eternal covenant!

You cannot enter on you’re own or by “faith alone”!

You cannot receive Christ or grace by “faith alone”!

“Accept Christ as you’re personal lord and savior” is fundamentalist baptist tradition not found scripture!

Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Baptismal regeneration a new creation in Christ! 2 Cor 5:17

A sacrament is an oath! A sacred promise from God! Ez 36:25-27
Acts 2:38-39 (this promise)

No baptism no grace!

A sacrament is an outward sign for all men including infants And a gift from God to help us see what he does inwardly and invisibly by his grace!

As grace Washes our souls in the merits of Jesus blood from original and personal sin, so the outward action of washing is visible!

without the outward action the inward action cannot take place!

Jn 3:5 Titus 3:5 water and washing
acts 22:16 wash away your sin!

Jn 3:5 Born again BY water and the spirit! Not by “faith alone”!

They did not go to Jerusalem and preach “accept Christ as you’re personal Lord and savior “

They went to the river (water) and they baptized! Jn 3:22

A covenant requires an outward sign of the inward action of grace!

Ez 36:25 I will sprinkle you with clean water and you shall be made white as snow.

Acts 22:16 washing away your sins.

Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

1 pet 3:21 baptism saves you.

You cannot enter on you’re own or by faith alone!

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Heb 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,


Baptism!

God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 eph 2

Born again! Born from above!

'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who I has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by God thru baptism!



Christ instituted the holy church for the salvation of all men, (repent and believe the gospel, with the institution of the sacraments to convey grace to sanctify souls!


Effects of faith & baptism!

Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptist
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 eph 2:1 and 5 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 4:5 one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!

“Faith alone” accomplishes nothing!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith (alone) without charity avails NOTHING!!!

Faith and baptism!

Scripture says none of the things about “Faith alone”!

2 Peter 1:11
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

The Christian sacrament of baptism is the Initiation into the new covenant and must be ministered to you by the apostles!




“Faith alone”

Questions

where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

How can you enter by your own if it must be ministered to you? Baptism is done unto you, “not do it yourself by faith alone”

Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?

Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is found in scripture?

They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 4:5 one baptism

Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???

When we first believed we are saved?

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

How can salvation be nearer than when we first believed if you’re saved by believing?

1 pet 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.

How can salvation happen when we first believed if it’s the end?

If salvation is by “faith alone” then faith would be the greatest!
1 cor 13:13 charity is the greatest!

Even all faith much less “faith alone” without charity avails nothing!
1 cor 13:2

“Faith alone” unbiblical!

“Faith alone” is a heresy condemned by the authority of Christ in holy apostolic council!

 

[theefaith]

By the numbers:
Q1) you claim you were “saved” without faith?

• No. Faith is a gift from God.
  
• “as God has allotted to each a measure of faith” [Romans 12:3]
  
• “it is the gift of God” [Ephesians 2:8]
• “to another [is given] faith by the same Spirit” [1 Corinthians 12:9]

Q2) you claim you were “saved” before you were born?

• No. I was predestined for salvation.
• “He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world” [Ephesians 1:4]
  
• “He predestined us to adoption” [Ephesians 1:5]
• “those whom He foreknew, He also predestined” [Romans 8:29]
  
• “these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified” [Romans 8:30]

Q3) if it’s not your faith, then who’s?

• “it is the gift of God” [Ephesians 2:8]

Q4) what does quickened mean in vs 1?

• [confused]
  
• [Eph 2:1 KJV] 1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;
  • Quickened = (Made alive)
• My translation just renders the verse “You were dead …”
• [Eph 2:1] 1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins

Q5) since it’s grace and not something we do, your saying all men are saved?

• No.
• John 3:18 “Anyone who believes in him is not condemned, but anyone who does not believe is already condemned, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.”
• John 6:44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
• John 10:26-27 “But you don’t believe because you are not of my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, I know them, and they follow me.”
• Romans 9:15-16 “For he tells Moses, I will show mercy to whom I will show mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then, it does not depend on human will or effort but on God who shows mercy.”
• Romans 9:21-22 “Or has the potter no right over the clay, to make from the same lump one piece of pottery for honor and another for dishonor? And what if God, wanting to display his wrath and to make his power known, endured with much patience objects of wrath prepared for destruction?”

Q1) eph 2:8 says not of yourselves so it can’t be you’re faith!
Q2) do you’re not saved?
Q3) not you’re faith so who’s?
Q4) how are we quickend or made alive?
Q5) baptismal regeneration is part of what we believe! Mk 16:16
Not “faith alone”!

 

[theefaith]

Thanks for answering

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“Faith alone”

Questions

where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

How can you enter by your own if it must be ministered to you? Baptism is done unto you, “not do it yourself by faith alone”

Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?

Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is found in scripture?

They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 4:5 one baptism

Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???

When we first believed we are saved?

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

How can salvation be nearer than when we first believed if you’re saved by believing?

1 pet 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.

How can salvation happen when we first believed if it’s the end?

If salvation is by “faith alone” then faith would be the greatest!
1 cor 13:13 charity is the greatest!

Even all faith much less “faith alone” without charity avails nothing!
1 cor 13:2

“Faith alone” unbiblical!

“Faith alone” is a heresy condemned by the authority of Christ in holy apostolic council!

 

[atpollard]

thanks for not answering my questions!

according to you all men are saved?

You mean the questions you asked to change the topic?
You are welcome.

I am a 5 point Calvinist, so you are barking up the wrong tree when you accuse me of advocating “universal salvation”.

 

[theefaith]

You mean the questions you asked to change the topic?
You are welcome.

I am a 5 point Calvinist, so you are barking up the wrong tree when you accuse me of advocating “universal salvation”.

no subject change

I only asked if it’s not our faith eph 2:8 “not of yourselves”
Then who’s?
The blessed virgin Mary’s?

 

[atpollard]

I only asked if it’s not our faith eph 2:8 “not of yourselves”
Then who’s?

How many times and in how many ways can it be repeated that “it” is a gift of God. So the FAITH is not human generated faith (“for within me no good thing lives” … remember that verse). Just for the record, the “gift” is more than Faith, but that requires looking at masculine and feminine word tense in Greek and you are stumbling over the simple English words and phrases. So I will leave it to you to research that on your own.