Antichrist theories

[Douggg]

Very diligent, I'm sure; but, that doesn't mean that it's all correct. Predictors of the year in which end-times events will happen have usually been proved wrong (Hal Lindsey's 1988 anyone?). Of course, we'll have to wait and see for future years.

Those are "not later than" years.

 

[Douggg]

Predictors of the year in which end-times events will happen have usually been proved wrong (Hal Lindsey's 1988 anyone?)

Hal Lindsey's prediction of not later than 1988 was based on 1948 + 40 years as a generation.

Using 1948 as the base year - was based on Israel being a nation again in the land took place in 1948. And the 40 years as the number of years Israel spent in the wilderness in the exodus from Egypt.

Using 1948 as the base year and 70 years as a generation did not work either. 1948 +70 years/generation =2018 as the not later than year for Jesus's return. Did not happen.

Using 1967 as the base year and 70 years as a generation, 1967 +70 years/generation = 2037 as the not later than year for Jesus's return. Those are the correct numbers.

 

[Marty fox]

Someone told me the AntiChrist is a Shiite Iranian. He told me it's the Mahdi. He showed me proof in Bible and in Hadiths. He told me that in 2027 it will start. I asked him what is going to start in 2027. He told me the end will start. He told me Iran plans to nuke the USA.

These are the only verses in the bible that mention the term antichrist that don't seam to match the description in the OP.

• 1 John 2:18: "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time."
  
  
• 1 John 2:22: "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."
  
  
• 1 John 4:3: "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."
  
  
• 2 John 1:7: "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."
  
  

 

[David1701]

Hal Lindsey's prediction of not later than 1988 was based on 1948 + 40 years as a generation.

Using 1948 as the base year - was based on Israel being a nation again in the land took place in 1948. And the 40 years as the number of years Israel spent in the wilderness in the exodus from Egypt.

Using 1948 as the base year and 70 years as a generation did not work either. 1948 +70 years/generation =2018 as the not later than year for Jesus's return. Did not happen.

Using 1967 as the base year and 70 years as a generation, 1967 +70 years/generation = 2037 as the not later than year for Jesus's return. Those are the correct numbers.

I know about the bases for the errant speculations that have passed.

When I was young-in-the-faith (many years ago), I also surmised that 2037 might be when Jesus returns; but it's just speculation.

 

[TLHKAJ]

@LoveYeshua @Nancy @Always @Triumph1300
This is a man by the name of Donald J Trump proclaiming himself to be God. He hasn't stood in a physical temple, but he has taken up residence in the hearts, minds, souls, spirits of a people proclaiming to be Christians ....the temple of God.

Take note... Donald Trump said, "I am your warrior. I am your justice. And for those who have been wronged and betrayed, I am your retribution."

Those are things that ONLY DEFINE JESUS CHRIST!!!!! I will NEVER bow to that man!!

 

[Douggg]

This is a man by the name of Donald J Trump proclaiming himself to be God.

No, Trump was not proclaiming himself to be God in that video. Trump is not the Antichrist person.

I remember back when Obama was President, some people were thinking that he was the Antichrist.

The first thing on the checklist to determine if the person is the Antichrist is that he must be a Jew. In Judaism, a person is a Jew if their mother is a Jew - not their father. Their father does not have to be a Jew.

 

[Triumph1300]

They will show you the execution.​

Pete Hegseth wants the world to watch Nidal Hasan die.​

The Trump supporters on this Christian forum will be watching, no doubt.
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The killing he won’t let anyone see is the one that might be a war crime.​

 

[ewq1938]

Hal Lindsey's prediction of not later than 1988 was based on 1948 + 40 years as a generation.

Using 1948 as the base year - was based on Israel being a nation again in the land took place in 1948. And the 40 years as the number of years Israel spent in the wilderness in the exodus from Egypt.

Using 1948 as the base year and 70 years as a generation did not work either. 1948 +70 years/generation =2018 as the not later than year for Jesus's return. Did not happen.

Using 1967 as the base year and 70 years as a generation, 1967 +70 years/generation = 2037 as the not later than year for Jesus's return. Those are the correct numbers.

Those are incorrect. A generation in proper context is all the people alive during certain events so that they are witnesses to all the events. It;'s not a generation/lifespan but people alive to witness things happening. That's why all the 40 year type interpretations have always been wrong. It's not about finding out what future year the events happen but when the events begin to happen, you will know the other events will follow and that generation of people at that time will witness the second coming.

 

[Douggg]

Those are incorrect. A generation in proper context is all the people alive during certain events so that they are witnesses to all the events. It;'s not a generation/lifespan but people alive to witnesses things happening. That's why all the 40 year type interpretations have always been wrong. It's not about finding out what future year the events happen but when the events begin to happen, you will know the other events will follow and that generation of people at that time will witness the second coming.

What does the fig tree represent in the parable of the fig tree ?

 

[Douggg]

They will show you the execution.​

Pete Hegseth wants the world to watch Nidal Hasan die.​

The Trump supporters on this Christian forum will be watching, no doubt.
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The killing he won’t let anyone see is the one that might be a war crime.​

What does that have to do with the topic of this thread ?

Nidal Hasan was crazy. Killing 13 persons, 3 of whom were women. I looked him up on Wikipedia. Nidal Hasan - Wikipedia

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

These are the only verses in the bible that mention the term antichrist that don't seam to match the description in the OP.

• 1 John 2:18: "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time."
  https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=0fe2...nLWplc3VzLmNvbS90b3BpY3MvQW50aWNocmlzdA&ntb=1
• 1 John 2:22: "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."
  https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=0fe2...nLWplc3VzLmNvbS90b3BpY3MvQW50aWNocmlzdA&ntb=1
• 1 John 4:3: "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."
  https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=0fe2...nLWplc3VzLmNvbS90b3BpY3MvQW50aWNocmlzdA&ntb=1
• 2 John 1:7: "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."
  https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=0fe2...nLWplc3VzLmNvbS90b3BpY3MvQW50aWNocmlzdA&ntb=1

Right. There's no individual Antichrist mentioned there anywhere. John taught that there are many antichrists and that anyone who denies Christ is an antichrist.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What does the fig tree represent in the parable of the fig tree ?

Nothing in particular.

Luke 21:29 Then He spoke to them a parable: “Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. 30 When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. 31 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near.

The parable in Luke 21:29-30 (see also Matthew 24:32-33 and Mark 13:28-29) simply represents how soon Jesus's coming will be "when you see these things happening". So, He was saying "when you see these things happening", then His return will be as near as summer is near when the leaves on a fig tree and all the other trees are starting to bud. Jesus is not trying to represent anything in particular with the fig tree in that parable because He also mentioned "all the trees". He's simply giving an illustration of how soon His return and the ushering in of the kingdom of God will be "when you see these things happening". There's no reason to read any more into it than that.

 

[Triumph1300]

What does that have to do with the topic of this thread ?

AntiChrist = Shiite Iranian​

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You want your children (if you have any) watch the live execution?
You think that's ok? You think that's entertainment?
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Senator Mark Kelly just called for Pete Hegseth to be removed immediately after Hegseth announced plans to livestream the execution of the Fort Hood shooter.

 

[ewq1938]

What does the fig tree represent in the parable of the fig tree ?

It only matters how it's used here:

Luk 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
Luk 21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.

The fig tree and all the trees are used and what is important is how all trees shoot forth in Spring which shows that Summer is near. That's the time of the harvest or Rapture and the second coming.

So, it has nothing to do with any certain event in the history of Israel, but how trees react to the changing of the seasons. One generation of people, living all at the same time will see all the signs of the coming harvest. That means the people that see the signs starting will see the last one and see the second coming etc.

Has nothing to do with a past date or Israel only.

 

[Douggg]

It only matters how it's used here:

Matthew 24:
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

What does the fig tree represent in verse 32 ?

 

[ewq1938]

Matthew 24:
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

What does the fig tree represent in verse 32 ?

It's no different than in Luke. It represents how the signs will appear like when trees shoot forth leaves before summer. It's not speaking of Israel getting bigger, becoming a nation etc.

 

[Douggg]

It's no different than in Luke. It represents how the signs will appear like when trees shoot forth leaves before summer. It's not speaking of Israel getting bigger, becoming a nation etc.

You left out the verse in Luke 21 that refers to a generation (verse 32). You don't understand what the parable of the fig tree means.

 

[David1701]

Matthew 24:
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

What does the fig tree represent in verse 32 ?

"This generation..." referred to the people who were alive at that time. Taking a generation as roughly forty years, that would take it to 70 A.D., when the temple was destroyed and thousands of unbelieving Jews were massacred. The believers fled to the mountains, because they believed what Jesus had said.

 

[Douggg]

"This generation..." referred to the people who were alive at that time. Taking a generation as roughly forty years, that would take it to 70 A.D., when the temple was destroyed and thousands of unbelieving Jews were massacred. The believers fled to the mountains, because they believed what Jesus had said.

Hi David1701,

The parable of the fig tree generation will witness Jesus's return. Jesus did not return in 70 AD.

 

[David1701]

Hi David1701,

The parable of the fig tree generation will witness Jesus's return. Jesus did not return in 70 AD.

There is very strong evidence that some prophecies were fulfilled at that time, including testimony from ancient historians (e.g. Josephus and Tacitus) about angelic armies seen in the sky, the river turning to blood and other fulfilments of the biblical events that Jesus said would come upon that generation.