Anybody out there worried about the U.S. presidential election?

[bullfighter]

(bullfighter;33946)
who is to be in there will be in there,we are heading down a one way street,god says so jesus said so..the agenda is in play and we can only do what it is ness to be gods elite,or die working on it..there will be christian agianst christian family agianst family,get use to it...jesus told us what to do ,so that is what we should start putting in to our lives..get real get solid..god gave me a answer to that ,,maybe not for you but study proverbs 30;25..for me god put them verses alive for me,not just in my head but in life in away i could never deney it came from god and in a increditable way
but i am learnin and i am learnin this typing.but i know god has shown me things about my self,things about the powers that we have at different points in our lifes.i have seen lots of death and abuse,i seen atrocities by man kind.i seen joy in nature and in the young ,i love to travel and watchin people laugh .i like good music.and i love god...an i see that we are heading fast to be humbled in tis country again...so prepare have faith,and forgive,love have joy and peace...

 

[His By Grace]

Great posts! It was good to wake up this morning and see all of the input. I needed to be reminded that God is in control and I shouldn't worry. I know I'm not supposed to, and the events are absolutely set in order to happen. I just want to make sure I make the right choices and go down fighting for the right side. Tim, I really like your post about the tithing. I know it's a different issue, but it's really true. If the church had the resources it needs to help others, it could do so much more. As big as my church is, I can't remember the exact stats, but I know not nearly enough members tithe. I only know that because my best friend's dad is the pastor over our senior adults and we were sitting around talking about it. Our pastor isn't one who likes to talk too much about it from the pulpit, but he does preach on it some. I heard a preacher say one time if you want to know how much someone loves the Lord, look at their calendars and their checkbooks! Of course, there are pastors/churches who abuse what they're given, but that's a whole different can of worms!

 

[Lunar]

(His By Grace;33882)
I have been receiving e-mails that are very disturbing; particulary in regards to one of the candidates who has a Muslim background. Is anyone else fearful that he may be elected? Snopes has verified that he did not swear in for his senate position using the Bible, but the Koran. He does not honor our flag. He does not honor our national anthem. He seems to be so nice and has a smooth way about him, but that's how we are deceived. I know Oprah has endorsed him, but I have lost a lot of respect for her due to her "new age" move as of late. I don't even watch her program anymore. It has been boycotted from my home.She is kind and funny and that's all well and good, but it's time to take a stand for Christian values. Americans had better be on guard. We are having a Reign Down U.S.A meeting at our church in April in which all local churches will be invited in the greater Baton Rouge area to participate to take back the U.S. for the Lord. Of course, we are acused of being intolerant for this, but if we continue to compromise, we will end up being controlled by the enemy. Their freedom will be our slavery.
You should be more careful about what you put trust in, especially when it comes to emails. Anonymous emails have zero credibility; why would you believe anything you hear from them? That's exactly the reason that they are anonymous, so that they can't be held accountable for the falsehoods that they spread.Barack Obama is not a Muslim and never has been. Not that I, personally, would have had a problem with it if he was, but that chain circulating e-mail is a complete and utter lie.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/10/s...r-_n_76047.htmlhttp://apnews.myway.com/article/20071205/D8TBIDE00.htmlhttp://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_b...bama_muslim.htmhttp://www.politico.com/news/stories/1007/6314.htmlAmong others. Honestly, I'm just surprised and ashamed that anyone could be fooled by such an obvious ploy. Now I know who the sorts of people are who are lining up to give away their bank info to the "Prince of Nigeria."

 

[His By Grace]

Well, just to let you know, I did verify it before I commented on it. It is at snopes.com. As I said in my thread, he was raised by a stepfather who was a radical Muslim and his real dad was a Muslim. You can find that on several of the verification sites. I didn't say that I dislike the man. I am afraid that we will be taking a wrong turn if he is elected. You know that not everyone is what they seem. I wish they were, but they aren't. It would be hard to convince many that he was not impressionable at all as a young lad by the Islamic ways since I know they do try to impose their beliefs just like we would do to our children as a Christian mom or dad. Did I insult you personally, or something? If so, I'm not trying to. I will not back down in saying that we need Christian leaders. We are told to beware of false prophets who inwardly are wolves dressed in sheep's clothing. We are told to be wise as serpants, yet as harmless as doves.

 

[His By Grace]

Hey, I just wanted to let anyone know that is reading this, do go to the snopes.com site for yourself for a detailed insightful look at Obama if desired. I went back and read the whole thing. He was raised until the age of two by his Muslim, turned atheist/agnostic Father and his mother did not claim any religion. His stepdad was a Muslim. He was brought up going to some Catholic and some Muslim schools/classes. So, basically, much of the e-mail was true. He was not sworn in using the Koran. That was a falsehood started by someone of whom the name escapes me at the moment. He did not have his hand over his heart when the national anthem was played, but the site is giving him the benefit of the doubt. So, he now claims to be a Christian. I am still wary of him anyway. Like I said, he was strongly influenced by Islamic and atheistic views.

 

[Morning_Joy]

I have a question; I'm just curious here.what would we (Christians) do if a candidate we weren't very comfortable with would win the election?

 

[His By Grace]

I can tell you what I will do. I will still submit to the governmental authorities as best as I can but hope that I am never asked to compromise my spiritual beliefs. Then, I would pray like crazy for the Lord to intervene for our land. Of course, I should be doing that now anyway. Someone just sent me a youtube video about Bush making a treaty with Canada and Mexico called the North American Union. It was supposedly made in 2005 without Congress' knowledge, which seems hard to believe. It says that is why he isn't forcing the issue with illegal aliens. It also says that it is pushing us one step closer to a one world government, with removal of U.S. sovereignty and the constitution as we know it. It also spoke of a new currency being made called the Amero. I tried to verify it but I couldn't find any other information on it. Does anyone else know what I am talking about? Also, right after that, I got a cartoon message that said it was a Canadian cartoon. It had a picture of George W. with a sign and the caption read, "Well, first off, that sign's gotta go." The link is youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E772Xo. I hope I got all those letters and #'s right.A computer genius, I am not.

 

[Morning_Joy]

really?our constitution might be abolished?what would a one world government be like?

 

[Lunar]

(His By Grace;34027)
Well, just to let you know, I did verify it before I commented on it. It is at snopes.com. As I said in my thread, he was raised by a stepfather who was a radical Muslim and his real dad was a Muslim. You can find that on several of the verification sites. I didn't say that I dislike the man. I am afraid that we will be taking a wrong turn if he is elected. You know that not everyone is what they seem. I wish they were, but they aren't. It would be hard to convince many that he was not impressionable at all as a young lad by the Islamic ways since I know they do try to impose their beliefs just like we would do to our children as a Christian mom or dad. Did I insult you personally, or something? If so, I'm not trying to. I will not back down in saying that we need Christian leaders. We are told to beware of false prophets who inwardly are wolves dressed in sheep's clothing. We are told to be wise as serpants, yet as harmless as doves.
If you looked to verify these things on Snopes (as it seems the email suggested you do, according to the site itself, so given that you're following the email's own instructions with respect to its credibility that also makes me wary) then you didn't do a very careful job.(Snopes.com)
One version of the e-mail in circulation claims "We were told this was checked out on 'snopes.com'. It is factual. Check for yourself." and includes a link to this web site. It's our guess that whoever included that bit was counting on folks to not check, as our article says the opposite: that the polemic is not factual but rather is false.
Nowhere in Snopes does (or anywhere credible) does it say that anyone who raised Obama was a radical Muslim.I'm not personally insulted, no, I am just shocked, because I think that citing information like this as a smear against an upstanding individual like Barack Obama is irresponsible and reprehensible. If you are looking to be "wise as serpents" you should start by putting every anonymous email that reaches you directly in the trash bin. And when you do your fact check, please be more careful. None of the claims you just made about Obama's parentage are in Snopes, except that Obama's father, who Obama knew for all of two years before his father moved to the United States, was a Muslim at some point before he even married his wife, and then stopped.That is not cause for alarm. I won't even get into the discussion of how Barack Obama has a better grasp of the real Christian issues - things like helping underprivileged people, health care, welfare, the environment, as opposed to gay marriage. But I do think it's just crazy that this ever became an issue in the first place. Cowardly scare tactics like this email should not work, and they won't work, so long as we're "wise as serpents," like you said.

 

[Tehillah]

you guys think your country is bad you should check it our here in Canadaour governing party (conservatives) are what is called a minority government because all there members of parliment are not bigger by 50% more than the opposition parties (Liberals, New Democrats) so we are basicly ruled by whatever special intrest groups can get the government to support them, so that the opposition doesnt overthrow the minority government

 

[bullfighter]

but i will nag a sec on a negitive point...the bible says where we are heading,you will not get all the people it takes to make the big changes that god is happy with...i am saying the big changes...only when chaos happens and people are hummbled in a great matter,then you will get some change.civil order and church order is needed to keep the flow of slavery in the direction that the men in power wants.there is sin on all levels from the street people to the heads of state to the men in world power ....we should not be afraid only have faith and precieve what may happen in simple things,like if the power goes out what will you do,if the store runs out of food.what will you do.dont shop for two weeks see whats up...when jesus says flee to the hills what do you think he meant [go to the mountian and die ] do you think you have more faith then the israelites]

 

[His By Grace]

Okay, Lunar. Let's address this issue part by part. First of all, let me be very specific. #1. I received an e-mail about this that troubled me. It claimed that Obama was raised by a muslim father and stepfather.This is TRUE. The part that's false is the "radical" term. I NEVER said Obama himself was muslim; just influenced by them. #2. The mail said his mother was an atheist, but when I went back to read it at snopes, it just said she was not in favor of any organized religion, basically. #3. I never said I did not like Obama, but I do not wish for him to be president because I do not trust him. I am not convinced that he is Christian, so I am leary. #4. If you did go to snopes.com, you have to actually click and read it all. They do present it as a false e-mail, but when you read on, there was a lot of truth in it as they break it down. They say it's false because SOME of it is false. #5. I am glad that Obama talks about how he can help others. Do you know how he will do that? Not with his money. He will use the tax payers' money. Yes, people like me that get up every morning, faithfully and go to a job and earn a living. We are not asked how much we would like to give or how we would like the funds to be spent. In many cases it is so misused. It allows people to sit at home or walk the streets day and night when they should be getting an education or getting a job. So, I hope that makes it more clear to you about why I am concerned. I'm not saying the other candidates are miles above him, either. They could end up doing a poor job or even worse. With all of the things going on in this world with the Islamic countries, it doesn't seem smart for America to have a leader tied to this religion. That's my point.

 

[LittleLightShining]

(tim_from_pa;33918)
I am a Ron Paul supporter myself, and if his choice is still here by the Pa primaries, I'll pull it even if he does not have a chance. His thinking is like that of the founding fathers. I cannot for the life of me understand why people would not want to abolish the IRS with the simple pull of a lever. Like I said before, it must be because most people are either government employed, or the rest want free handouts. I cannot otherwise figure the so-called logic of the general populace. Incredible.
I'm a Ron Paul person, too. In fact I'm a precinct leader for his campaign. I don't understand why Christians are forsaking this guy, either, I really don't. Here is a fantastic mp3 link of an interview with his wife of 51 years and 2 of his granddaughters. At the end he speaks, also. Please listen and share it with as many Christians as you can. http://godsipod.com/podcast_res/israel_and...o/IA_080202.mp3Here is a link to some real concrete reasons to be concerned about Obama:http://www.rense.com/general80/obb.htm

 

[LittleLightShining]

(Morning Joy)
I have a question; I'm just curious here.what would we (Christians) do if a candidate we weren't very comfortable with would win the election?
I'm writing in Ron Paul if he doesn't get the nomination. I'm not going to vote for anyone else because I don't believe them, I don't trust them at all. And it won't be a wasted vote, it will be a vote for liberty and the Constitution and I will be able to look back and say I had no part in the destruction of our nation.(His By Grace;34060)
I can tell you what I will do. I will still submit to the governmental authorities as best as I can but hope that I am never asked to compromise my spiritual beliefs. Then, I would pray like crazy for the Lord to intervene for our land. Of course, I should be doing that now anyway. Someone just sent me a youtube video about Bush making a treaty with Canada and Mexico called the North American Union. It was supposedly made in 2005 without Congress' knowledge, which seems hard to believe. It says that is why he isn't forcing the issue with illegal aliens. It also says that it is pushing us one step closer to a one world government, with removal of U.S. sovereignty and the constitution as we know it. It also spoke of a new currency being made called the Amero. I tried to verify it but I couldn't find any other information on it. Does anyone else know what I am talking about? Also, right after that, I got a cartoon message that said it was a Canadian cartoon. It had a picture of George W. with a sign and the caption read, "Well, first off, that sign's gotta go." The link is youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E772Xo. I hope I got all those letters and #'s right.A computer genius, I am not.
Google Nafta superhighway and SPP.gov. The NAU is fact.

 

[Lunar]

(His By Grace;34232)
With all of the things going on in this world with the Islamic countries, it doesn't seem smart for America to have a leader tied to this religion. That's my point.
It strikes me as very unfair to judge someone's qualifications for the presidency based on their parents.Barack Obama has been a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ for over twenty years. And you don't need to just take his word for it - as a churchgoer, the people in his congregation, and in particular the pastor Jeremiah Wright, who knows Obama personally, can attest to this. His involvement with the church is longer than he has even been involved in politics, dating back to around the time he was getting his B.A., so I feel pretty certain that his claim to being a Christian is not just a political ploy. You can't make the (already dubious) claim that his entire religious commitment was a 20-year scam to make himself more electable in a presidential bid decades down the road, especially considering that the rampant fear of Islam that pervades now hadn't even been kickstarted yet back then by 9/11.And that you would bring up what his parents practiced years ago - people who are not even practitioners of Islam anymore - as some sort of evidence that Barack Obama isn't a real Christian, I find to be completely reprehensible. I'd like to think that we're judging the candidates on their own grounds, not the grounds of their parents.

 

[bullfighter]

(Lunar;34285)
It strikes me as very unfair to judge someone's qualifications for the presidency based on their parents.Barack Obama has been a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ for over twenty years. And you don't need to just take his word for it - as a churchgoer, the people in his congregation, and in particular the pastor Jeremiah Wright, who knows Obama personally, can attest to this. His involvement with the church is longer than he has even been involved in politics, dating back to around the time he was getting his B.A., so I feel pretty certain that his claim to being a Christian is not just a political ploy. You can't make the (already dubious) claim that his entire religious commitment was a 20-year scam to make himself more electable in a presidential bid decades down the road, especially considering that the rampant fear of Islam that pervades now hadn't even been kickstarted yet back then by 9/11.And that you would bring up what his parents practiced years ago - people who are not even practitioners of Islam anymore - as some sort of evidence that Barack Obama isn't a real Christian, I find to be completely reprehensible. I'd like to think that we're judging the candidates on their own grounds, not the grounds of their parents.
i feel you waste your time thinking about it,looking for some knight to come an better the place you are in.the people are in seperation from god on a big scale they are mixed up,confused in ths spirit..you all talk like some pres will make things better.....or it is a start any how or you cannot complane if you do not vote..the us has done atrocities to many peoples,they have grown in seperation from god.there has to be a reckaning .the earth shows signs of things happening cycle or not..

 

[Lunar]

(bullfighter;34292)
i feel you waste your time thinking about it,looking for some knight to come an better the place you are in.the people are in seperation from god on a big scale they are mixed up,confused in ths spirit..you all talk like some pres will make things better.....or it is a start any how or you cannot complane if you do not vote..the us has done atrocities to many peoples,they have grown in seperation from god.there has to be a reckaning .the earth shows signs of things happening cycle or not..
This is a very harmful view to take. Yes, I think that it is important for people to find God. But you can't act as though the actions of the president are irrelevant. I think that the most important way of expressing and living through God's love is to do everything you can to be compassionate and help others. And part of that means electing a president who is going to pursue policies that are conducive to that.To deny the consequences of the presidential election seems very irresponsible.

 

[His By Grace]

Well, that's one thing we agree on, Lunar. Voting for the candidate you believe is closest to the right one is our responsibility. And, I did not say that Obama is absolutely not a Christian. Do not misquote me. I said I am leary of him. I do not trust him. Am I not "wise" to be inhibited due to his past? I don't think there is anything wrong with a red flag being raised due to what has gone on with him. Now, whether he will PROVE to be a worthy candidate stands to be seen. The proof is in the long haul. We shall see. We are told we shall know them by their fruits, so I will be a fruit inspector. I am not judging his eternal soul based on the presidential election. I hope that he truly is a born-again believer. I do not wish for any to be deceived and go to a devil's hell. It is possible that the past 20 years have been wonderful, fruit producing years for him. If so, I stand blissfully corrected. I do not mind being corrected. If you really knew me, you would know that about me. I do not seek to harm people. I seek for a greater good for every one in this country, which is liberty for all-even Christians.

 

[bullfighter]

(His By Grace;34324)
Well, that's one thing we agree on, Lunar. Voting for the candidate you believe is closest to the right one is our responsibility. And, I did not say that Obama is absolutely not a Christian. Do not misquote me. I said I am leary of him. I do not trust him. Am I not "wise" to be inhibited due to his past? I don't think there is anything wrong with a red flag being raised due to what has gone on with him. Now, whether he will PROVE to be a worthy candidate stands to be seen. The proof is in the long haul. We shall see. We are told we shall know them by their fruits, so I will be a fruit inspector. I am not judging his eternal soul based on the presidential election. I hope that he truly is a born-again believer. I do not wish for any to be deceived and go to a devil's hell. It is possible that the past 20 years have been wonderful, fruit producing years for him. If so, I stand blissfully corrected. I do not mind being corrected. If you really knew me, you would know that about me. I do not seek to harm people. I seek for a greater good for every one in this country, which is liberty for all-even Christians.
Yes i see the good freedom to vote and vote for someone you believe will help instead of harm.BUT THE TRUTH IS THERE IS A AGENDA going on and it is run by satan,and the people must be able to sit in judgement when god casts satan to the lake,we must see that we will not live with out god close to our hearts and need god as our path...this will not happen in this colour my book wonderful by only a president....the people need to change,this will only happen threw great dismay then god hearing our pain and repentence,then he will give us leadership, that we will listen to again]we have to lots more then vote for a good guy,we need to stand and PREPARE help others ,if you want to help the ones you love and know the snakes that clam your spirit,see the wolves, know the things that god wants you to do, by your willingness,yes you say all you need is faith when the trouble comes,why do you work today maybe to pay the rent for next month maybe to by food for the next week....god is no stanger to major death .your will, faith ,and preparedness,gods will. is what keeps you alive

 

[Lunar]

(His By Grace;34324)
I hope that he truly is a born-again believer. I do not wish for any to be deceived and go to a devil's hell. It is possible that the past 20 years have been wonderful, fruit producing years for him. If so, I stand blissfully corrected. I do not mind being corrected. If you really knew me, you would know that about me. I do not seek to harm people. I seek for a greater good for every one in this country, which is liberty for all-even Christians.
I don't doubt your good intentions, not one bit. But I will stand by my statement that it isn't right to be suspicious of whether Obama is a Christian based on what his parents did decades ago. The candidate in question is Obama, not Obama's parents. And like I said, Obama has been a Christian for longer than he has been involved in politics, so there is no grounds on which to even suspect that he is putting on a facade for political purposes.It's good to be skeptical, but this is just creating an issue that never should have existed.If people were really intent on making an issue over a candidate's religion I'm surprised they didn't home in more on Romney. I suppose it's irrelevant now since he's out of the race as of today, but still.