Anyone accusing you of “Replacement Theology” is defending the spirit of Antichrist.

[Scott Downey]

I understand all that, but Scripture about unrepentant Israel says :

Rom 11:27 “and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.

Revealed by the Holy Spirit approx 2000 years ago, a covenant with unrepentant Israel, do note.

Furthermore about Israel :

Gal 6:15 For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.
Gal 6:16 And as for all who walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.

Paul obviously makes a distinction between the Body of Christ and the Israel of God (Romans 9-11)

Israel is God's business, I don't take sides in the Israel of 1948, I do believe 1948 has God's fingerprints all over it, that the Lord is in control and watch how things will play out, Him keeping the covenant of Rom 11:27.

I therefore have serious doubts Christians can hijack the name Israel.

Well, following your logic, you could then take the position some have done that the New Covenant is only for Israel and not any gentiles, as it says, that God makes the New Covenant with Israel and Judah. No mention of any gentiles. You see what I am saying?

Hebrews 8

A New Covenant​

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins [b]and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

 

[Scott Downey]

Of the gentiles, Paul teaches that they were brought into the commonwealth of Israel.
This is also the concept of a wild branch (Gentiles) being grafted into the true vine composed of natural branches (Israel)
So that they then are all of Israel, and this of God.
Being of the Israel of God, is a spiritual thing, not a genetic, natural or descendent earthly thing of race.
Believing gentiles are now of the commonwealth of Israel and heirs according to the promises God made to those who are of the true Israel of God.

Ephesians 2

Brought Near by His Blood​

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— 12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Christ Our Peace​

14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

Christ Our Cornerstone​

19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

 

[ProDeo]

Well, following your logic, you could then take the position some have done that the New Covenant is only for Israel and not any gentiles, as it says, that God makes the New Covenant with Israel and Judah. No mention of any gentiles. You see what I am saying?

Then you have misunderstood me. Every born again (including Jews) belong to the covenant of Christ.

Matt 26:26 Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.”
Matt 26:27 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you,
Matt 26:28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

And -

Hebr 9:14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.
Hebr 9:15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

Hebrews 8

A New Covenant​

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins [b]and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

Like you highlighted in green that's God's new covenant is indeed with Israel replacing the old Mosaic covenant. Note the phrase the days are coming in Jer 31:31 so the question is when did this new covenant with Israel became effective or is it still future.

Jer 31:34b - For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
Hebr 8:12 - For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more.”
Rom 11:27 - and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”

Note the similarities.

13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

The Mosaic covenant that is.

Not necessarily the Jeremiah 31 covenant.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Anyone accusing you of “Replacement Theology” is (knowingly or not), defending the spirit of Antichrist.

Why?

Because what they’re really saying is:

1. “Jesus did not fulfill the covenant with Israel.”
(This is Antichrist, blasphemous heresy.)
They believe the Old Covenant is still active for ethnic Jews, which means Christ’s fulfillment was incomplete.

But Jesus said:
“It is finished.” — John 19:30
Not postponed. Not paused. Finished.

Seriously? That's what YOU think He meant when He stated that it was finished? Do you even know what the covenant is...the NEW covenant? Your post is wrong in so many ways, and an insult to us who are Israeli watching Gentiles trying to whisk away our heritage that was established through Abraham. Quite pathetic, really, but you have the right to harangue and spout your bilge doctrines, just as we have a right to oppose them and present truths from the word of God.

The New Covenant has NOT been fulfilled. Here's the proof:

Jeremiah 31:31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Hebrews 8:8, 13
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: ...
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Israel has fallen. Therein is the reason that salvation has come to Gentiles rather than Gentiles having to gain salvation by joining with Israel, which has been fallen since Stephen's stoning, illustrated within Luke 13. You Gentiles who subscribe to the belief that the Lord is allegedly through with Israel, it's my hope that you glean something real from what scripture actually says rather than to allegorize and spiritualize the language of scripture into saying what you may WANT it to say by including Gentiles into the promises made ONLY to Israel and Judah, both of which are now combined back into one nation, one people.

Appeals to popularity, for those who don't understand that fallacy, is a flimsy and pathetic defense for anything posited as being true on that basis. 99.9999999% of any population can be dead wrong on any one topic, and the majority will point at that as being proof for something being right, which is nothing but group-think, bandwagoneering that leads to so much acceptance of what is patently false.

So, the next time your false teaching pastors say to you, in their Aristotilian Rhetoric called a "sermon," that you Gentiles are living under the "New Covenant" and the promises thereon that were aimed ONLY at ancient Israel and the the future Israel populated only by Jews who later embrace faith in Christ Jesus, the best thing you could do is to walk to the front doors, knock the dust off your feet, and never darken those doorways again...unless attending the funeral of that false teaching "pastor."

Replacement theology is indeed a demonstrably horrific system of belief that has no roots in scripture apart from misapplication and theft from Israel, as if God were through with us. He is not. His Second Coming is all about restoring Israel as the rulers over the earth with Christ Jesus on the Throne of His earthly majesty in the coming Millennium and upon the New Earth yet to come. We who are of the body of Christ right now, we will inherit Heavenly places and blessings, not living here during the Millennium nor upon the New Earth. Our destiny is Heavenly, leaving the earth to the once unbelieving nations and to ancient Israel joined together with the remnant from the tribulation.

Perhaps the mindset of your harangue was actually aimed at some sect of another extreme, but it smacked of an address to all who even point at the concept of replacement theology, which is very real in modern Protestantism and Reformed thinking. I'm just wanting to offer some balance to the topic.

BTW

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Seriously? That's what YOU think He meant when He stated that it was finished? Do you even know what the covenant is...the NEW covenant? Your post is wrong in so many ways, and an insult to us who are Israeli watching Gentiles trying to whisk away our heritage that was established through Abraham. Quite pathetic, really, but you have the right to harangue and spout your bilge doctrines, just as we have a right to oppose them and present truths from the word of God.

The New Covenant has NOT been fulfilled. Here's the proof:

Jeremiah 31:31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Hebrews 8:8, 13
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: ...
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Israel has fallen. Therein is the reason that salvation has come to Gentiles rather than Gentiles having to gain salvation by joining with Israel, which has been fallen since Stephen's stoning, illustrated within Luke 13. You Gentiles who subscribe to the belief that the Lord is allegedly through with Israel, it's my hope that you glean something real from what scripture actually says rather than to allegorize and spiritualize the language of scripture into saying what you may WANT it to say by including Gentiles into the promises made ONLY to Israel and Judah, both of which are now combined back into one nation, one people.

Appeals to popularity, for those who don't understand that fallacy, is a flimsy and pathetic defense for anything posited as being true on that basis. 99.9999999% of any population can be dead wrong on any one topic, and the majority will point at that as being proof for something being right, which is nothing but group-think, bandwagoneering that leads to so much acceptance of what is patently false.

So, the next time your false teaching pastors say to you, in their Aristotilian Rhetoric called a "sermon," that you Gentiles are living under the "New Covenant" and the promises thereon that were aimed ONLY at ancient Israel and the the future Israel populated only by Jews who later embrace faith in Christ Jesus, the best thing you could do is to walk to the front doors, knock the dust off your feet, and never darken those doorways again...unless attending the funeral of that false teaching "pastor."

Replacement theology is indeed a demonstrably horrific system of belief that has no roots in scripture apart from misapplication and theft from Israel, as if God were through with us. He is not. His Second Coming is all about restoring Israel as the rulers over the earth with Christ Jesus on the Throne of His earthly majesty in the coming Millennium and upon the New Earth yet to come. We who are of the body of Christ right now, we will inherit Heavenly places and blessings, not living here during the Millennium nor upon the New Earth. Our destiny is Heavenly, leaving the earth to the once unbelieving nations and to ancient Israel joined together with the remnant from the tribulation.

Perhaps the mindset of your harangue was actually aimed at some sect of another extreme, but it smacked of an address to all who even point at the concept of replacement theology, which is very real in modern Protestantism and Reformed thinking. I'm just wanting to offer some balance to the topic.

BTW

You claim the New Covenant hasn’t been fulfilled —
but Jesus said, “This is the new covenant in My blood.”

You claim we Gentiles stole something —
but Paul said, “If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

You claim God has two peoples —
but Scripture says, “He made the two into one new man, thus making peace.”

You boast in your Jewish heritage like it's a divine passport —
but Paul said, “A man is not a Jew if he is one outwardly… but one inwardly, by the Spirit.”
(Romans 2:28–29)

You warn of “Replacement Theology” —
but what you’re really pushing is Postponement Theology,
which says Jesus came… and failed.
That the Kingdom was offered… and rejected.
That the Cross wasn’t enough —
and that Jesus died for nothing.
So now we wait for a third temple, red heifers, and a Zionist sequel to Calvary.

That’s not theology.
That’s apostasy in prophecy drag.
It’s the Gospel of delay, the Jesus of retreat,
and a cross with no crown.

Its beyond blasphemy..

You may not realize it,
but by denying the Body of Christ is Israel,
you are denying the very Gospel that fulfills the promises to Israel.

And that’s not Christianity.

That’s Zionism in a yarmulke trying to wear the crown of Christ —
a geopolitical cosplay pretending to be theology,
invented in 1909 by Oxford Press and Scofield’s Rockefeller-funded Bible from Hell.

Not Peter, not Paul, not John, not Ignatius, not Irenaeus, not Augustine, not Luther, not Calvin —
not one believer in 1,900 years ever taught the garbage you're defending.
Because they actually believed Jesus finished what He came to do.

So if your version of the Gospel says
Jesus paused His Kingdom,
delayed His Covenant,
and handed the deed to unbelieving ethnic nationalists —

Then your fight isn’t with me.

It’s with Christ Himself.

 

[Scott Downey]

Then you have misunderstood me. Every born again (including Jews) belong to the covenant of Christ.

Matt 26:26 Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.”
Matt 26:27 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you,
Matt 26:28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

And -

Hebr 9:14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.
Hebr 9:15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.



Like you highlighted in green that's God's new covenant is indeed with Israel replacing the old Mosaic covenant. Note the phrase the days are coming in Jer 31:31 so the question is when did this new covenant with Israel became effective or is it still future.

Jer 31:34b - For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
Hebr 8:12 - For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more.”
Rom 11:27 - and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”

Note the similarities.



The Mosaic covenant that is.

Not necessarily the Jeremiah 31 covenant.

You must of necessity, logically be conflicted, and are inconsistent.

According to what you say, then gentiles have no part in the New Covenant as God makes it with Israel and Judah, and you won't admit believing gentiles are of Israel. That means you also have no faith in Christ to be in His New Covenant as you have no part in the New Covenant He established in His blood with Israel and Judah, unless you yourself are Jewish as only jews are of Israel.
I wonder if the church you go to believes what you believe, that they are not in the New Covenant with God, same as yourself.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.

 

[Scott Downey]

People don't seem to logically think through the implications of what they say about scriptures, cause if they did, they might realize they are not in the same faith they thought they were in.

What a shock!

 

[BeforeThereWas]

People don't seem to logically think through the implications of what they say about scriptures, cause if they did, they might realize they are not in the same faith they thought they were in.

What a shock!

All we need to do is look at the massive amounts of confusions that arise from churchianity denominations and independent thinking. They all claim to read the same Bibles of modern translations, which themselves are confusing in varying ways, and so we're left with this quagmire of loose thinking and arm-chair expertism. Dare anyone show their head above the dirt line of the foxhole, and they end up with a shot-off head from those of the other camp who have no desire to ever question and subject their beliefs to the best translations and proper hermeneutical standards. When emotion and dogmatism meet, that's the intersection of stoic indifference to anything that dares challenge their chosen stance.

So, sitting at the base of a foxhole, surrounded by a minefield someone else placed and left no map, its a seemingly untenable place to be.

BTW

 

[ProDeo]

You must of necessity, logically be conflicted, and are inconsistent.

According to what you say, then gentiles have no part in the New Covenant as God makes it with Israel and Judah, and you won't admit believing gentiles are of Israel. That means you also have no faith in Christ to be in His New Covenant as you have no part in the New Covenant He established in His blood with Israel and Judah, unless you yourself are Jewish as only jews are of Israel.
I wonder if the church you go to believes what you believe, that they are not in the New Covenant with God, same as yourself.

Sigh.

I will re-quote -

Matt 26:26 Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.”
Matt 26:27 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you,
Matt 26:28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

My (our) covenant is in Christ.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.

That's the Jer 33 covenant God made with unbelieving Christ denying Israel. As Paul refers to in Romans 11, as it will certainly fulfilled in the days of Zach 12-14.

Why is this so hard to understand ?

 

[CTK]

​

For what it is worth... here is a cut / paste narrative from my commentary on Daniel.

Reflective narrative:
God’s Unfolding Covenant: Israel, the Church,
and the Hope Ahead​

The story of God's relationship with humanity—especially through Israel—has always been one of covenant, promise, and redemption. From the beginning, God called the people of Israel His own, giving them His Word, His Law, and the promises of a future redemption. That calling was not revoked, even when the people stumbled or turned away.

The coming of Jesus (Yeshua), the promised Messiah, marked the fulfillment of the New Covenant foretold in Jeremiah 31:31–34—a covenant originally given to Israel and Judah. Through His life, death, and resurrection, Jesus brought that covenant into effect by offering Himself as the once-for-all sacrifice for sin (Hebrews 9:11–15). But when He was rejected by many among His own people (John 1:11), the message of salvation did not stop. It went out to the nations—fulfilling what was always God’s larger intention: that the Gentiles, too, would be grafted in and share in the blessings of the covenant (Isaiah 49:6; Romans 11:11–12, 17–18).

This expansion, however, did not mean God abandoned Israel. The Apostle Paul clearly writes, “Has God cast away His people? Certainly not!” (Romans 11:1). Instead, Paul explains that a partial hardening or “blindness” has come upon Israel “until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in” (Romans 11:25). During this time—often referred to as the "Times of the Gentiles" (Luke 21:24)—God’s presence has seemed hidden to many within Israel. But that will not last forever.

According to Revelation 7 and 14, God will raise up 144,000 from the tribes of Israel—symbolic or literal—who will be sealed for a special mission. These are described as faithful and pure, marked by their testimony of Jesus and obedience to God's commandments (Revelation 14:1–5). Many see this as the moment when God removes the veil from the eyes of His people, much like what happened to Paul on the road to Damascus (Acts 9). In that same spirit of sudden, divine clarity, the people of Israel will once again take up the mantle of proclaiming God’s Word—this time with the fullness of understanding: both the Tanakh and the testimony of Jesus (Revelation 12:17).
There is also an intriguing connection to the prophetic Jubilee cycles. According to the traditional calculation, the fourth and final Great Jubilee cycle began in 457 BC (see Daniel 9:24–27). That cycle of 490 years—representing a complete covenantal period—was interrupted at the crucifixion of Christ, 486.5 years into its span. This suggests that 3.5 years remain to be fulfilled—a period many believe corresponds to the final, intensified phase of Israel’s mission just before the return of the Messiah (see Revelation 11:2–3; Daniel 9:27).

During this final period, Israel—now spiritually awakened—will declare the unfiltered Word of God and the true Gospel of the Messiah. Their voice will contrast with many of the traditions that entered the Church after the first century, especially through centuries of institutionalization, doctrinal compromise, and teachings that distanced believers from the Hebraic foundations of faith. This is not to condemn the Church, but to suggest that a fresh, God-ordained witness will arise, stirring hearts around the world with truth and clarity.

In this view, the future is not about replacement—it’s about restoration. It’s about the promises of God being fulfilled exactly as He declared: not by abandoning Israel, but by redeeming her and completing His plan through her. The covenant began with her, and in the end, it will also be fulfilled through her, for the blessing of all nations.

 

[Scott Downey]

​

For what it is worth... here is a cut / paste narrative from my commentary on Daniel.

Reflective narrative:
God’s Unfolding Covenant: Israel, the Church,
and the Hope Ahead​

The story of God's relationship with humanity—especially through Israel—has always been one of covenant, promise, and redemption. From the beginning, God called the people of Israel His own, giving them His Word, His Law, and the promises of a future redemption. That calling was not revoked, even when the people stumbled or turned away.

The coming of Jesus (Yeshua), the promised Messiah, marked the fulfillment of the New Covenant foretold in Jeremiah 31:31–34—a covenant originally given to Israel and Judah. Through His life, death, and resurrection, Jesus brought that covenant into effect by offering Himself as the once-for-all sacrifice for sin (Hebrews 9:11–15). But when He was rejected by many among His own people (John 1:11), the message of salvation did not stop. It went out to the nations—fulfilling what was always God’s larger intention: that the Gentiles, too, would be grafted in and share in the blessings of the covenant (Isaiah 49:6; Romans 11:11–12, 17–18).

This expansion, however, did not mean God abandoned Israel. The Apostle Paul clearly writes, “Has God cast away His people? Certainly not!” (Romans 11:1). Instead, Paul explains that a partial hardening or “blindness” has come upon Israel “until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in” (Romans 11:25). During this time—often referred to as the "Times of the Gentiles" (Luke 21:24)—God’s presence has seemed hidden to many within Israel. But that will not last forever.

According to Revelation 7 and 14, God will raise up 144,000 from the tribes of Israel—symbolic or literal—who will be sealed for a special mission. These are described as faithful and pure, marked by their testimony of Jesus and obedience to God's commandments (Revelation 14:1–5). Many see this as the moment when God removes the veil from the eyes of His people, much like what happened to Paul on the road to Damascus (Acts 9). In that same spirit of sudden, divine clarity, the people of Israel will once again take up the mantle of proclaiming God’s Word—this time with the fullness of understanding: both the Tanakh and the testimony of Jesus (Revelation 12:17).
There is also an intriguing connection to the prophetic Jubilee cycles. According to the traditional calculation, the fourth and final Great Jubilee cycle began in 457 BC (see Daniel 9:24–27). That cycle of 490 years—representing a complete covenantal period—was interrupted at the crucifixion of Christ, 486.5 years into its span. This suggests that 3.5 years remain to be fulfilled—a period many believe corresponds to the final, intensified phase of Israel’s mission just before the return of the Messiah (see Revelation 11:2–3; Daniel 9:27).

During this final period, Israel—now spiritually awakened—will declare the unfiltered Word of God and the true Gospel of the Messiah. Their voice will contrast with many of the traditions that entered the Church after the first century, especially through centuries of institutionalization, doctrinal compromise, and teachings that distanced believers from the Hebraic foundations of faith. This is not to condemn the Church, but to suggest that a fresh, God-ordained witness will arise, stirring hearts around the world with truth and clarity.

In this view, the future is not about replacement—it’s about restoration. It’s about the promises of God being fulfilled exactly as He declared: not by abandoning Israel, but by redeeming her and completing His plan through her. The covenant began with her, and in the end, it will also be fulfilled through her, for the blessing of all nations.

God does not cast away His people whom He foreknew.
So they all get saved.
Did you believe in Christ?
Then God foreknew you as His people.

About Israel according to the flesh, yes hardened. They never did believe, not a single hardened by God Jew believes in Christ, not ever.
About Israel according to the Spirit, saved as they believe in Christ, they were elect.

Of the Jews Isaiah spoke, only a remnant will be saved, that's a small number.

Romans 9
27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel:

“Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea,
The remnant will be saved.
28 For [b]He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness,
Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth.”
29 And as Isaiah said before:

“Unless the Lord of [c]Sabaoth had left us a seed,
We would have become like Sodom,
And we would have been made like Gomorrah.”

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
How many of you actually believe God will only save a remnant of all the Jews that ever will live through all of time?

 

[Scott Downey]

Have you ever read the CURSE pronounced on the Jews by God?
All of this came on the Jews, the wrath of God.

Deuteronomy 28

Curses on Disobedience​

15 “But it shall come to pass, if you do not obey the voice of the Lord your God, to observe carefully all His commandments and His statutes which I command you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:

16 “Cursed shall you be in the city, and cursed shall you be in the country.

17 “Cursed shall be your basket and your kneading bowl.

18 “Cursed shall be the [e]fruit of your body and the produce of your land, the increase of your cattle and the offspring of your flocks.

19 “Cursed shall you be when you come in, and cursed shall you be when you go out.

20 “The Lord will send on you cursing, confusion, and rebuke in all that you set your hand to do, until you are destroyed and until you perish quickly, because of the wickedness of your doings in which you have forsaken Me. 21 The Lord will make the [f]plague cling to you until He has consumed you from the land which you are going to possess. 22 The Lord will strike you with consumption, with fever, with inflammation, with severe burning fever, with the sword, with scorching,[g] and with mildew; they shall pursue you until you perish. 23 And your heavens which are over your head shall be bronze, and the earth which is under you shall be iron. 24 The Lord will change the rain of your land to powder and dust; from the heaven it shall come down on you until you are destroyed.

25 “The Lord will cause you to be defeated before your enemies; you shall go out one way against them and flee seven ways before them; and you shall become [h]troublesome to all the kingdoms of the earth. 26 Your carcasses shall be food for all the birds of the air and the beasts of the earth, and no one shall frighten them away. 27 The Lord will strike you with the boils of Egypt, with tumors, with the scab, and with the itch, from which you cannot be healed. 28 The Lord will strike you with madness and blindness and confusion of heart. 29 And you shall grope at noonday, as a blind man gropes in darkness; you shall not prosper in your ways; you shall be only oppressed and plundered continually, and no one shall save you.

30 “You shall betroth a wife, but another man shall lie with her; you shall build a house, but you shall not dwell in it; you shall plant a vineyard, but shall not gather its grapes. 31 Your ox shall be slaughtered before your eyes, but you shall not eat of it; your donkey shall be violently taken away from before you, and shall not be restored to you; your sheep shall be given to your enemies, and you shall have no one to rescue them. 32 Your sons and your daughters shall be given to another people, and your eyes shall look and fail with longing for them all day long; and there shall be [i]no strength in your hand. 33 A nation whom you have not known shall eat the fruit of your land and the produce of your labor, and you shall be only oppressed and crushed continually. 34 So you shall be driven mad because of the sight which your eyes see. 35 The Lord will strike you in the knees and on the legs with severe boils which cannot be healed, and from the sole of your foot to the top of your head.

 

[Scott Downey]

continued

36 “The Lord will bring you and the king whom you set over you to a nation which neither you nor your fathers have known, and there you shall serve other gods—wood and stone. 37 And you shall become an[j] astonishment, a proverb, and a byword among all nations where the Lord will drive you.

38 “You shall carry much seed out to the field but gather little in, for the locust shall [k]consume it. 39 You shall plant vineyards and tend them, but you shall neither drink of the wine nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them. 40 You shall have olive trees throughout all your territory, but you shall not anoint yourself with the oil; for your olives shall drop off. 41 You shall beget sons and daughters, but they shall not be yours; for they shall go into captivity. 42 Locusts shall [l]consume all your trees and the produce of your land.

43 “The alien who is among you shall rise higher and higher above you, and you shall come down lower and lower. 44 He shall lend to you, but you shall not lend to him; he shall be the head, and you shall be the tail.

45 “Moreover all these curses shall come upon you and pursue and overtake you, until you are destroyed, because you [m]did not obey the voice of the Lord your God, to keep His commandments and His statutes which He commanded you. 46 And they shall be upon you for a sign and a wonder, and on your descendants forever.

47 “Because you did not serve the Lord your God with joy and gladness of heart, for the abundance of everything, 48 therefore you shall serve your enemies, whom the Lord will send against you, in hunger, in thirst, in nakedness, and in need of everything; and He will put a yoke of iron on your neck until He has destroyed you. 49 The Lord will bring a nation against you from afar, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flies, a nation whose language you will not understand, 50 a nation of fierce countenance, which does not respect the elderly nor show favor to the young. 51 And they shall eat the increase of your livestock and the produce of your land, until you are destroyed; they shall not leave you grain or new wine or oil, or the increase of your cattle or the offspring of your flocks, until they have destroyed you.

52 “They shall besiege you at all your gates until your high and fortified walls, in which you trust, come down throughout all your land; and they shall besiege you at all your gates throughout all your land which the Lord your God has given you. 53 You shall eat the [n]fruit of your own body, the flesh of your sons and your daughters whom the Lord your God has given you, in the siege and desperate straits in which your enemy shall distress you. 54 The [o]sensitive and very refined man among you will[p] be hostile toward his brother, toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the rest of his children whom he leaves behind, 55 so that he will not give any of them the flesh of his children whom he will eat, because he has nothing left in the siege and desperate straits in which your enemy shall distress you at all your gates. 56 The [q]tender and [r]delicate woman among you, who would not venture to set the sole of her foot on the ground because of her delicateness and sensitivity, [s]will refuse to the husband of her bosom, and to her son and her daughter, 57 her [t]placenta which comes out from between her feet and her children whom she bears; for she will eat them secretly for lack of everything in the siege and desperate straits in which your enemy shall distress you at all your gates.

58 “If you do not carefully observe all the words of this law that are written in this book, that you may fear this glorious and awesome name, THE LORD YOUR GOD, 59 then the Lord will bring upon you and your descendants extraordinary plagues—great and prolonged plagues—and serious and prolonged sicknesses. 60 Moreover He will bring back on you all the diseases of Egypt, of which you were afraid, and they shall cling to you. 61 Also every sickness and every plague, which is not written in this Book of the Law, will the Lord bring upon you until you are destroyed. 62 You shall be left few in number, whereas you were as the stars of heaven in multitude, because you would not obey the voice of the Lord your God. 63 And it shall be, that just as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good and multiply you, so the Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you and bring you to nothing; and you shall be plucked[u] from off the land which you go to possess.

64 “Then the Lord will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other, and there you shall serve other gods, which neither you nor your fathers have known—wood and stone. 65 And among those nations you shall find no rest, nor shall the sole of your foot have a resting place; but there the Lord will give you a [v]trembling heart, failing eyes, and anguish of soul. 66 Your life shall hang in doubt before you; you shall fear day and night, and have no assurance of life. 67 In the morning you shall say, ‘Oh, that it were evening!’ And at evening you shall say, ‘Oh, that it were morning!’ because of the fear which terrifies your heart, and because of the sight which your eyes see.

68 “And the Lord will take you back to Egypt in ships, by the way of which I said to you, ‘You shall never see it again.’ And there you shall be offered for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you.”

 

[CTK]

continued

36 “The Lord will bring you and the king whom you set over you to a nation which neither you nor your fathers have known, and there you shall serve other gods—wood and stone. 37 And you shall become an[j] astonishment, a proverb, and a byword among all nations where the Lord will drive you.

38 “You shall carry much seed out to the field but gather little in, for the locust shall [k]consume it. 39 You shall plant vineyards and tend them, but you shall neither drink of the wine nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them. 40 You shall have olive trees throughout all your territory, but you shall not anoint yourself with the oil; for your olives shall drop off. 41 You shall beget sons and daughters, but they shall not be yours; for they shall go into captivity. 42 Locusts shall [l]consume all your trees and the produce of your land.

43 “The alien who is among you shall rise higher and higher above you, and you shall come down lower and lower. 44 He shall lend to you, but you shall not lend to him; he shall be the head, and you shall be the tail.

45 “Moreover all these curses shall come upon you and pursue and overtake you, until you are destroyed, because you [m]did not obey the voice of the Lord your God, to keep His commandments and His statutes which He commanded you. 46 And they shall be upon you for a sign and a wonder, and on your descendants forever.

47 “Because you did not serve the Lord your God with joy and gladness of heart, for the abundance of everything, 48 therefore you shall serve your enemies, whom the Lord will send against you, in hunger, in thirst, in nakedness, and in need of everything; and He will put a yoke of iron on your neck until He has destroyed you. 49 The Lord will bring a nation against you from afar, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flies, a nation whose language you will not understand, 50 a nation of fierce countenance, which does not respect the elderly nor show favor to the young. 51 And they shall eat the increase of your livestock and the produce of your land, until you are destroyed; they shall not leave you grain or new wine or oil, or the increase of your cattle or the offspring of your flocks, until they have destroyed you.

52 “They shall besiege you at all your gates until your high and fortified walls, in which you trust, come down throughout all your land; and they shall besiege you at all your gates throughout all your land which the Lord your God has given you. 53 You shall eat the [n]fruit of your own body, the flesh of your sons and your daughters whom the Lord your God has given you, in the siege and desperate straits in which your enemy shall distress you. 54 The [o]sensitive and very refined man among you will[p] be hostile toward his brother, toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the rest of his children whom he leaves behind, 55 so that he will not give any of them the flesh of his children whom he will eat, because he has nothing left in the siege and desperate straits in which your enemy shall distress you at all your gates. 56 The [q]tender and [r]delicate woman among you, who would not venture to set the sole of her foot on the ground because of her delicateness and sensitivity, [s]will refuse to the husband of her bosom, and to her son and her daughter, 57 her [t]placenta which comes out from between her feet and her children whom she bears; for she will eat them secretly for lack of everything in the siege and desperate straits in which your enemy shall distress you at all your gates.

58 “If you do not carefully observe all the words of this law that are written in this book, that you may fear this glorious and awesome name, THE LORD YOUR GOD, 59 then the Lord will bring upon you and your descendants extraordinary plagues—great and prolonged plagues—and serious and prolonged sicknesses. 60 Moreover He will bring back on you all the diseases of Egypt, of which you were afraid, and they shall cling to you. 61 Also every sickness and every plague, which is not written in this Book of the Law, will the Lord bring upon you until you are destroyed. 62 You shall be left few in number, whereas you were as the stars of heaven in multitude, because you would not obey the voice of the Lord your God. 63 And it shall be, that just as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good and multiply you, so the Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you and bring you to nothing; and you shall be plucked[u] from off the land which you go to possess.

64 “Then the Lord will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other, and there you shall serve other gods, which neither you nor your fathers have known—wood and stone. 65 And among those nations you shall find no rest, nor shall the sole of your foot have a resting place; but there the Lord will give you a [v]trembling heart, failing eyes, and anguish of soul. 66 Your life shall hang in doubt before you; you shall fear day and night, and have no assurance of life. 67 In the morning you shall say, ‘Oh, that it were evening!’ And at evening you shall say, ‘Oh, that it were morning!’ because of the fear which terrifies your heart, and because of the sight which your eyes see.

68 “And the Lord will take you back to Egypt in ships, by the way of which I said to you, ‘You shall never see it again.’ And there you shall be offered for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you.”

Ok and thanks... I am going to have to plead the fifth here.... what are you saying? What do you think I was saying? I respectfully ask you might take a breath and tell me how you have interpreted my narrative.... perhaps I miswrote it... I will double check it... thanks.

 

[Scott Downey]

Ok and thanks... I am going to have to plead the fifth here.... what are you saying? What do you think I was saying? I respectfully ask you might take a breath and tell me how you have interpreted my narrative.... perhaps I miswrote it... I will double check it... thanks.

Who are God's people whom God foreknew?
What happens to them?
Paul wrote the answer here very directly.

Romans 8

28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

God’s Everlasting Love​

31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
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The answer is that God's people are not those born according to the flesh, as in unbelieving Jews or Gentiles
God's people are those born according to the Spirit.

The reality is God has foreknowledge of those who are His people, so that is who becomes His people.
He makes it happen.

 

[CTK]

Who are God's people whom God foreknew?
What happens to them?
Paul wrote the answer here very directly.

Romans 8

28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

God’s Everlasting Love​

31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
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The answer is that God's people are not those born according to the flesh, as in unbelieving Jews or Gentiles
God's people are those born according to the Spirit.

The reality is God has foreknowledge of those who are His people, so that is who becomes His people.
He makes it happen.

Ok and thanks for your response. However, I am still confused…

1) Do you believe that Jesus came to bring the New Covenant to His people, the Jews?

2) Do you believe they rejected Him and then sent His followers out to preach the Good News to both Jew and Gentile?

3) Do you believe that both Jew and Gentile will be saved if they place their faith and trust in Jesus and accept Him as our Lord and Savior?

4) Do you believe that, as a result of their rejection of Jesus, they were “made desolate” for over 2000 years (Time of the Gentiles)?

5) That despite number 4 above, anyone, Jew or Gentile can accept Jesus and be saved?

6) Do you believe that His people, the Jews, are no longer considered as “His people”, and perhaps have been replaced by the church?

7) Do you believe that God has a final mission for His people and the end of the world”time of the Gentiles?”

I ask these specific questions because I cannot get them from your response.

Thanks .

 

[Scott Downey]

Ok and thanks for your response. However, I am still confused…

1) Do you believe that Jesus came to bring the New Covenant to His people, the Jews?

2) Do you believe they rejected Him and then sent His followers out to preach the Good News to both Jew and Gentile?

3) Do you believe that both Jew and Gentile will be saved if they place their faith and trust in Jesus and accept Him as our Lord and Savior?

4) Do you believe that, as a result of their rejection of Jesus, they were “made desolate” for over 2000 years (Time of the Gentiles)?

5) That despite number 4 above, anyone, Jew or Gentile can accept Jesus and be saved?

6) Do you believe that His people, the Jews, are no longer considered as “His people”, and perhaps have been replaced by the church?

7) Do you believe that God has a final mission for His people and the end of the world”time of the Gentiles?”

I ask these specific questions because I cannot get them from your response.

Thanks .

Think about what I answer.

1. Yes, and He did
2. His people did not reject Him, the unbelieving Jews did.
3. Of course, and there will be one flock and one Shepherd, not two peoples of God, there is neither jew nor gentile, they are all one in Christ Jesus. Do you believe that?
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

4. That is implied, they did reject Christ, so look what happened to the Jews, but the church is not an afterthought, Christ always came to build His church. Do you believe this?

Luke 16:16 “The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.

5. of course, but only if God teaches them and only if the Father gives them to the Son. Do you believe this?
John 6
35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will [f]by no means cast out.

45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who [i]has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.

6. That is implied. They are no longer His people, they do not believe in Christ do they. But some of them could be God's foreknown to Him people, Only God knows those who will be His people.

7. Only those of the jews who are His people whom God has foreknown, no one else will believe in Christ. Jesus saves believers from God's wrath, not unbelievers, Jesus prays not for the world of unbelievers. Do you believe what He says?
John 17: 9 “I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them.

 

[Scott Downey]

Romans 8
The Spirit, HE makes intercession for the saints, not for the world

6 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession [g]for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Christ and the Spirit only pray for those the Father has given to Christ as His children, they who are called to be saints.
Neither Christ or the Spirit pray for anyone else.

Hebrews 2

Bringing Many Sons to Glory​

10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both He who [g]sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 saying:

“I will declare Your name to My brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will sing praise to You.”
13 And again:

“I will put My trust in Him.”
And again:

“Here am I and the children whom God has given Me.”

 

[CTK]

Think about what I answer.

1. Yes, and He did

Wonderful..

2. His people did not reject Him, the unbelieving Jews did.

His people were and are the Jews.... I cannot understand how you do not find this in the bible... God will never abondone His people.

There were two groups of "His people" as mentioned in Daniel 2:41-43, Those who would accept Him as their Messiah were identifid as "pottery clay," which He, as the Potter, could mold in His hands. These are the ones who woul go out into the world to preach the Good News. Those that had a "haredened heart" were identified as "ceramic clay," because God could not use them ... they rejected their Messiah and would continue in their pre-cross Jewish faith - even until today.

3. Of course, and there will be one flock and one Shepherd, not two peoples of God, there is neither jew nor gentile, they are all one in Christ Jesus. Do you believe that?
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Agree

4. That is implied, they did reject Christ, so look what happened to the Jews, but the church is not an afterthought, Christ always came to build His church. Do you believe this?

Why do you say that is implied? It is one of the most important prophecies in Daniel 9:24-27. It is also one of the most intentionally misinterpreted prophecies promulgated by the little horn.... Definitely not implied.

Luke 16:16 “The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.

5. of course, but only if God teaches them and only if the Father gives them to the Son. Do you believe this?
John 6
35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will [f]by no means cast out.

Well, I am not sure I follow exactly what you are saying here... The question is whether Jew or Gentile have the same opporuntity to be saved by the Blood of the Lamb and the answer to that is unequivocally yee. Now, there is alsos no question that God has given us His Holy Spirit that will empower us and guide us in His Word, understanding, and to grow within Him.

45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who [i]has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.

6. That is implied. They are no longer His people, they do not believe in Christ do they. But some of them could be God's foreknown to Him people, Only God knows those who will be His people.

What do you mean by "implied?" Of course they are and always will be His people:

1. Jeremiah 31:35–37

“Thus says the LORD, who gives the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night… ‘If these ordinances depart from before me,’ says the LORD, ‘then the offspring of Israel also will cease from being a nation before me forever.’ Thus says the LORD: ‘If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, then I will also cast off all the offspring of Israel for all that they have done,’ says the LORD.”

2. Romans 11:1–2

“I say then, did God reject His people? Absolutely not! For I also am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God didn’t reject His people, whom He foreknew.”

3. Romans 11:28–29

“As concerning the Good News, they are enemies for your sake. But concerning the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sake. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.”

4. Leviticus 26:44–45

“Yet for all that, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not reject them, neither will I abhor them to destroy them utterly and to break my covenant with them; for I am the LORD their God. But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors…”

5. Isaiah 49:15–16

“Can a woman forget her nursing child…? Yes, they may forget, yet I will not forget you. Behold, I have engraved you on the palms of my hands…”

6. Zechariah 2:8

“For he who touches you touches the apple of His eye.”

7. Only those of the jews who are His people whom God has foreknown, no one else will believe in Christ. Jesus saves believers from God's wrath, not unbelievers, Jesus prays not for the world of unbelievers. Do you believe what He says?
John 17: 9 “I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them.

That is not the question or statement I made... I asked if God still had a special mission at the end of time for His chosen people?

 

[Jesus Wept]

Anyone accusing you of “Replacement Theology” is (knowingly or not), defending the spirit of Antichrist.

Why?

Because what they’re really saying is:

1. “Jesus did not fulfill the covenant with Israel.”
(This is Antichrist, blasphemous heresy.)
They believe the Old Covenant is still active for ethnic Jews, which means Christ’s fulfillment was incomplete.

But Jesus said:
“It is finished.” — John 19:30
Not postponed. Not paused. Finished.

2. “The Messiah’s work wasn’t enough, and Jesus failed the first time.”
(This is Antichrist, blasphemous heresy.)
This is a direct assault on the power and finality of the cross. It denies Hebrews 10:14:
“By one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.”

They imply that the cross didn’t fully accomplish redemption for Israel — as if God hit “pause” and still owes something to a group of unbelieving ethnic Jews, the vast majority of whom are not even Semitic. They are Gentile converts from Eastern Europe and Russia — Khazar descendants — who now make up over 95% of the population in modern Rothschild’s False Israel™. This fact has been documented by Jewish historian Arthur Koestler in The Thirteenth Tribe and further confirmed by Israeli professor Smo Sand in The Invention of the Jewish People. Both men — recognized as Jews within Zionist society — exposed that the overwhelming majority of modern Israelis are NOT blood descendants of Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob, but are instead the product of an 8th century, medieval mass conversion from the Turkic Khazar empire.

Which means this:
The constant accusation of “antisemitism” against Christians who reject Antichrist Zionist theology is not only false — it is deliberate, weaponized gaslighting. You cannot be “antisemitic” for confronting a religious and political system built by non-Semitic impostors who reject the Messiah and pervert the Gospel.

3. “There’s still another plan for real ethnic Jews (if you can actually find one) and their converts… apart from faith in Christ.”
(This is Antichrist, blasphemous heresy that completely contradicts the Gospel.)
This is a second path to salvation — a theology Paul explicitly condemns as another gospel (Galatians 1:6–9).

Acts 4:12: “There is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
There is no “Plan B” for Christ-rejecting Israel.

4. “There are two peoples of God — Israel and the Church — with two separate destinies.”
(This is Antichrist, blasphemous heresy that denies the Son.)
This splits what Christ made one. It contradicts Ephesians 2:14–16 and turns the Body of Christ into a temporary “parenthesis” instead of the prophetic fulfillment.

Ephesians 2:14:
“He has made the two one... breaking down the wall of separation.”
Christ demolished the wall.
Scofield’s theology builds it back up — brick by brick.
Dispensationalist doctrine doesn’t fulfill the Gospel — it reverses it.
What Jesus united, they divide.

5. “Jesus came to offer the Kingdom to Israel, but they rejected it — so now He’s coming back to finish what He couldn’t do the first time.”
This portrays Christ’s first coming as a failure, His death on the cross as meaningless, and the Church as a divine afterthought — a backup plan until the “real” plan with ethnic Israel can resume.
It is not prophecy.
It is total blasphemy — a doctrine of demons, dressed in eschatological drag.

Matthew 21:43: “The kingdom will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruit.”
Jesus didn’t fail. Israel did.

What they preach is Antichrist doctrine — by the Bible’s own definition.
Jesus didn’t teach it.
Paul didn’t teach it.
Peter didn’t.
John didn’t.
Jude didn’t.
Not one Apostle taught it.
No Church Father believed it — for 1,850 years of Christian history.
They would’ve called it the doctrine of demons, a synagogue of Satan theology, and a damnable heresy designed to divide the Body of Christ, resurrect a covenant God made obsolete, and crown a Christ-rejecting nation in place of the crucified King. They would’ve exposed it as a counter-Gospel, birthed from pride, weaponized through empire, and driven by the same Antichrist spirit that crucified the Lord of Glory.

1 John 2:22
“Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the Antichrist — the one who denies the Father and the Son.”

To deny that Jesus is the full and final fulfillment of God's covenant with Israel is to deny Christ Himself.

Let’s Be Clear:
Dispensationalist Evangelicalism doesn’t just add to the Gospel —
It subtracts Christ from Israel’s promises.

That’s not “another perspective.”
That’s another gospel.
Which Paul says is anathema (Galatians 1:6–9).

So yes — in plain terms:
If you reject that Jesus is Israel’s Messiah,
and claim there’s still a covenant apart from Him,
then you are following an Antichrist theology and doctrine —
and your eternal life is in jeopardy, because you are rejecting the Son and provoking the wrath of God.

Their dangerous theology teaches:
The Old Covenant is still open
Jesus Christ was a failure
The cross was not final
The Church is just a temporary detour
Ethnic identity (and apparently that of millions of Gentile converts) equals divine favor
Christ is not the only way — at least not for Jews

That’s not Christianity.
That’s not biblical.
That’s Antichrist theology, plain and simple.

Not much to disagree with here. I read Koestler's book many years ago, a great read that really opened my eyes to a lot of things.
Kudos on the post, remember to be kind when the Zionists begin their attacks.
The comments should certainly be entertaining on this one.