Anyone accusing you of “Replacement Theology” is defending the spirit of Antichrist.

[Jesus Wept]

You speak big words my friend.

Theocracy Israel ended in AD70.

Israel of 1948 is not a theocracy.

But a normal democracy, your speech can be applied to every nation, none is a Christian theocracy.

And yet -

1. God made an unconditional and everlasting covenant with Abraham and his offspring, the Jews.

2. We know from Acts 1 the Lord Jesus will return on the same mountain as He ascended to heaven, thus His return is in the Israel of 1948.

Rom 11:25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
Rom 11:26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
Rom 11:27 “and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”

until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in - it's where we are now, waiting for the fullness of the Gentiles

My perspective is that God has unfinished business with Israel and it's better to wait for the Lord than write posts close to anti-antisemitism.

Please define a Semite? And then please define Anti- Semitism?

 

[Jesus Wept]

I pay attention to God's Word, not the Scofield commentaries because I'm not one of those Scofield bible guys like you are.

And why are you so racist towards the Jews?

Do you hate Jesus because He is a Jew?

Please define Jew?

 

[CTK]

Not much to disagree with here. I read Koestler's book many years ago, a great read that really opened my eyes to a lot of things.
Kudos on the post, remember to be kind when the Zionists begin their attacks.
The comments should certainly be entertaining on this one.

Would you be so kind as to offer more of your thoughts? I certainly would like to read them, thanks.

 

[Jesus Wept]

He'll burn soon enough if he does not repent for his hatred towards the Jews.

It's no problem for me either way. It's not my eternity.

I don't see any hatred here. I do see a man doing his best to enlighten. The "Jews" in Israel aren't true descendants of Israel. This is easily verifiable, and you can even use Jewish sources to do so.

 

[Jesus Wept]

"Jesus is a Zionist and God's Word teaches Zionism" -- No Christian on Earth would say this unless they were making some kind of sick joke. Its beginning to get painfully obvious that all these 'Christian forums' (not just this one, all of them) are absolutely CRAWLING with rabbis and fake jews in fake Israel pretending they're Christians on all these boards leading ignorant Christians looking for truth straight into the gates of Hell.

Perhaps, but I think what's crawling all over these forums is dispensational heresy, or in my reckoning, the Great Deception that we were warned about.

 

[Scott Downey]

Wonderful..



His people were and are the Jews.... I cannot understand how you do not find this in the bible... God will never abondone His people.

There were two groups of "His people" as mentioned in Daniel 2:41-43, Those who would accept Him as their Messiah were identifid as "pottery clay," which He, as the Potter, could mold in His hands. These are the ones who woul go out into the world to preach the Good News. Those that had a "haredened heart" were identified as "ceramic clay," because God could not use them ... they rejected their Messiah and would continue in their pre-cross Jewish faith - even until today.

Agree



Why do you say that is implied? It is one of the most important prophecies in Daniel 9:24-27. It is also one of the most intentionally misinterpreted prophecies promulgated by the little horn.... Definitely not implied.

Well, I am not sure I follow exactly what you are saying here... The question is whether Jew or Gentile have the same opporuntity to be saved by the Blood of the Lamb and the answer to that is unequivocally yee. Now, there is alsos no question that God has given us His Holy Spirit that will empower us and guide us in His Word, understanding, and to grow within Him.


What do you mean by "implied?" Of course they are and always will be His people:

1. Jeremiah 31:35–37

“Thus says the LORD, who gives the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night… ‘If these ordinances depart from before me,’ says the LORD, ‘then the offspring of Israel also will cease from being a nation before me forever.’ Thus says the LORD: ‘If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, then I will also cast off all the offspring of Israel for all that they have done,’ says the LORD.”

2. Romans 11:1–2

“I say then, did God reject His people? Absolutely not! For I also am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God didn’t reject His people, whom He foreknew.”

3. Romans 11:28–29

“As concerning the Good News, they are enemies for your sake. But concerning the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sake. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.”

4. Leviticus 26:44–45

“Yet for all that, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not reject them, neither will I abhor them to destroy them utterly and to break my covenant with them; for I am the LORD their God. But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors…”

5. Isaiah 49:15–16

“Can a woman forget her nursing child…? Yes, they may forget, yet I will not forget you. Behold, I have engraved you on the palms of my hands…”

6. Zechariah 2:8

“For he who touches you touches the apple of His eye.”




That is not the question or statement I made... I asked if God still had a special mission at the end of time for His chosen people?

I suppose some would say yes, to build a third Jewish temple where the antichrist will sit and declare himself God. Such a place would not be the temple of God, but an evil place. Any unbelieving jew is as evil as any unbelieving gentile. I have a feeling you don't like that. But Jesus called the unbelieving jews, the spawn of Satan, definitely NOT OF GOD, read about that in John 8.

Back in the day in Acts, the temple was also known as the temple of God, but it no longer was, as the temple of God is His people where God dwells., and not any physical building. There is nothing left for the jews, except that some of them around the time of the end will be saved. But not any more than a remnant of Jews will ever be saved, or maybe you disagree with Isaiah?

I am not a dispensationalist, are you?
I am also not a pre-mill, are you?
I am amil.

Christ is the end of the Old Covenant, Christ fulfilled all the promises of God for righteousness, and no one comes to the Father except through Christ.
Example it is OVER for the OC, and it is passed away, it is no longer functional.
When Christ died on the cross, the curtain blocking the way to the Holy of Holies, was torn in half from top to bottom, signifying the old covenant system of sacrifices was over and out, finished.

Luke 16:16 “The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it

Have you considered that the Old covenant was one of obedience? And the jews did not continues in God's covenant and God disregarded them!

 

[Jesus Wept]

Would you be so kind as to offer more of your thoughts? I certainly would like to read them, thanks.

I have a great many thoughts on this topic, but that's all they are, thoughts and ideas. I don't believe that it is possible to know the true history of our world, everything has been hidden or falsified, the best we can do is speculate.

I think, that we have been deceived. I know that I certainly was for many years. I grew up being taught and "believing" for lack of a better word, all of the dispensational heresies promoted in my Southern Baptist church. And then, I met Christ.

One of the first things revealed to me by the Spirit was the Rapture lie, which began my investigation into Dispensationalism.

I also discovered that the Lost Tribes were not lost at all as I had been taught, and that those claiming to be Israels descendants were actually imposters. Its not a popular view with Christian Zionists.

After a while, I came to the conclusion that Dispensational Theology was being used as a playbook to orchestrate a series of events that would mimic those which seemed to fulfill prophecy.

Later, within the last few years, I came to the conclusion that we are now living in the days known as Satan's Little Season. Another very unpopular view, and not just with the Dispensationalists. But that's fine, I'm not here to argue with anyone. And while I think what we believe about these issues is very important, I do not believe these issues directly affect salvation, so I don't get to hung up on it.

I have found throughout my 35 plus years of knowing Christ, that there is a direct correlation between obedience and revelation. When I walk in obedience and faith, I am enlightened. When I am walking in disobedience, spiritual darkness ensues.

Paul said that we should examine ourselves, frequently. I think its a lack of this self examination in the light of the scriptures, and a lack of humble prayer before God, that allows us to be caught up in these heresies.
In a nutshell, the Church is mostly in a place of darkness right now, just as was foretold, and for all the reasons given.

 

[MatthewG]

Didn't know what it was.

Ai Analysis:

Replacement theology, also known as supersessionism, is a Christian theological doctrine that asserts that the Christian Church has replaced the Jewish people as God's chosen people and that the New Covenant with Jesus Christ has superseded the Old Covenant made with Israel. It suggests that the Church has inherited the promises and blessings originally intended for the Jewish people.

Essentially, replacement theology argues that the Church has become the "true Israel". This view is often contrasted with the belief that God has an ongoing covenant with the Jewish people, distinct from the Christian covenant.

Those who adhere to replacement theology may also be referred to as supersessionists, while its critics sometimes use the term "fulfillment theology"





Paul mentions some things concerning how,

Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

He also mentions,

Romans 9:6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.

Therefore, I believe the conclusion while people were still under law in that day in age, not everyone who claimed their Jewish heritage just because they were from the bloodline of Abraham where actually part of Israel.

Though there was 12 tribes within that community there were people whom had a circumcision of the heart, in the spirit, which made them part of "True Israel - the Church bride of Christ in that day which was whom Yeshua would have return to gather up whom were elect, and I believe some gentiles were found within that mix as well."




So I can kind of see the issue but Paul wouldn't have made a mistake in saying what he did here, concerning the importance of the circumcision of the heart, and in the spirit.

 

[CTK]

I suppose some would say yes, to build a third Jewish temple where the antichrist will sit and declare himself God. Such a place would not be the temple of God, but an evil place. Any unbelieving jew is as evil as any unbelieving gentile. I have a feeling you don't like that. But Jesus called the unbelieving jews, the spawn of Satan, definitely NOT OF GOD, read about that in John 8.

Back in the day in Acts, the temple was also known as the temple of God, but it no longer was, as the temple of God is His people where God dwells., and not any physical building. There is nothing left for the jews, except that some of them around the time of the end will be saved. But not any more than a remnant of Jews will ever be saved, or maybe you disagree with Isaiah?

I am not a dispensationalist, are you?
I am also not a pre-mill, are you?
I am amil.

Christ is the end of the Old Covenant, Christ fulfilled all the promises of God for righteousness, and no one comes to the Father except through Christ.
Example it is OVER for the OC, and it is passed away, it is no longer functional.
When Christ died on the cross, the curtain blocking the way to the Holy of Holies, was torn in half from top to bottom, signifying the old covenant system of sacrifices was over and out, finished.

Luke 16:16 “The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it

Have you considered that the Old covenant was one of obedience? And the jews did not continues in God's covenant and God disregarded them!

Let me try and ask you one question: In the narrative I included in my response to you, can you please tell me what elements you disagree with ... I have a problem following you.... Sorry.

 

[Scott Downey]

Let me try and ask you one question: In the narrative I included in my response to you, can you please tell me what elements you disagree with ... I have a problem following you.... Sorry.

Are you a dispensationalist?
If so, nothing I say you will agree with.

They believe in rebuilt temples of God, that 3rd temple, starting up animal sacrifices for sins again during a 1000 yr millennial reign (Ezekiels's temple) with a worldwide Jewish like earthly kingdom who reign over the genitles. All Jews will be converted to Christ during that time. Marriages, babies being born, satanic inspired resistance to Christ and an eventual failure of the kingdom of Christ on earth at the end of the 1000 years. People will be divided into resurrected ones, the dead in Christ, who are like glorified powerful spirit beings (like angels) with swords ruling over rebellious unbelievers and unbelieving people left alive when Christ returns, with a body of flesh that pick up their old lives when Christ returns to rule this earth, not a new earth, this old earth. No final judgment when Christ returns, no last day, just last days. No sudden destruction of this world when Christ returns.

I am sure I missed a few items they believe, and not all believe the same.

 

[CTK]

Are you a dispensationalist?
If so, nothing I say you will agree with.

They believe in rebuilt temples of God, that 3rd temple, starting up animal sacrifices for sins again during a 1000 yr millennial reign (Ezekiels's temple) with a worldwide Jewish like earthly kingdom who reign over the genitles. All Jews will be converted to Christ during that time. Marriages, babies being born, satanic inspired resistance to Christ and an eventual failure of the kingdom of Christ on earth at the end of the 1000 years. People will be divided into resurrected ones, the dead in Christ, who are like glorified powerful spirit beings (like angels) with swords ruling over rebellious unbelievers and unbelieving people left alive when Christ returns, with a body of flesh that pick up their old lives when Christ returns to rule this earth, not a new earth, this old earth. No final judgment when Christ returns, no last day, just last days. No sudden destruction of this world when Christ returns.

I am sure I missed a few items they believe, and not all believe the same.

I am quite sure you did not find those comments in any of my responses. I simply asked you to let me know what you disagree with in the narrative I sent you.

Thanks.

 

[Scott Downey]

I am quite sure you did not find those comments in any of my responses. I simply asked you to let me know what you disagree with in the narrative I sent you.

Thanks.

I mentioned this in my post #131

You talk of restoration for the Jewish nation.
You miss the election that saves all by grace.

Jesus said His kingdom was not physical but spiritual, as in not of this earth.
When Jesus returns what does He do?
Destroys all unbelievers in fire, including unbelieving jews.
Dissolves the earth and the heaven and then comes the judgement
Then He creates new heaven and new earth in which dwells righteousness

The 1000 yr millennial reign of Christ on earth is on an unrighteous earth, the same old earth that won't exist at His returning, it is blatantly false teaching.

2 Peter 3 pure and simply refutes any such future for this earth as well as 2 Thessalonians 1.

Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), 2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of [a]us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and [b]perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward [c]us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

The Day of the Lord​

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be [d]burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Be Steadfast​

14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.

 

[Scott Downey]

I highlighted what Jesus will do to the unbelieving jews and gentiles when He comes on the Day of the Lord.
If your doctrine say something other than the apostle's doctrines, why should you believe it yourself?

I read nothing of 'restoration of the jews here'
If jews are going to believe, they got to do it before Christ's return, cause every eye will see Him return, and then it is too late to repent of the evil.

2 Thess 1
Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy,

To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:

2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

God’s Final Judgment and Glory​

3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other, 4 so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and [a]tribulations that you endure, 5 which is manifest[b] evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with [c]tribulation those who trouble you,

7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who [d]believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

11 Therefore we also pray always for you that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of His goodness and the work of faith with power, 12 that the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and you in Him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Scott Downey]

2 Corinthians 1
15 And in this confidence I intended to come to you before, that you might have a second benefit— 16 to pass by way of you to Macedonia, to come again from Macedonia to you, and be helped by you on my way to Judea. 17 Therefore, when I was planning this, did I do it lightly? Or the things I plan, do I plan according to the flesh, that with me there should be Yes, Yes, and No, No? 18 But as God is faithful, our [g]word to you was not Yes and No. 19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us—by me, Silvanus, and Timothy—was not Yes and No, but in Him was Yes. 20 For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us. 21 Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God, 22 who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

Luke 16, on the law and the prophets, they ended with John the Baptist for the people of God, as now it is the gospel of the kingdom of God for salvation, but for sinners the law has not passed away, as the Law was given because of transgressions, and sin won't stop until we get the new earth in which dwells righteousness.

16 “The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it. 17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one [g]tittle of the law to fail.


Matthew 5

Christ Fulfills the Law​

17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one [b]jot or one [c]tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 5 - New King James Version

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[CTK]

I highlighted what Jesus will do to the unbelieving jews and gentiles when He comes on the Day of the Lord.
If your doctrine say something other than the apostle's doctrines, why should you believe it yourself?

I read nothing of 'restoration of the jews here'
If jews are going to believe, they got to do it before Christ's return, cause every eye will see Him return, and then it is too late to repent of the evil.

2 Thess 1
Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy,

To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:

2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

God’s Final Judgment and Glory​

3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other, 4 so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and [a]tribulations that you endure, 5 which is manifest[b] evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with [c]tribulation those who trouble you,

7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who [d]believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

11 Therefore we also pray always for you that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of His goodness and the work of faith with power, 12 that the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and you in Him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Thanks.

 

[Scott Downey]

Romans 10 on the jews.

Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for [a]Israel is that they may be saved. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

5 For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, “The man who does those things shall live by them.” 6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) 7 or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

Israel Rejects the Gospel​

14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:

“How beautiful are the feet of those who [b]preach the gospel of peace,
Who bring glad tidings of good things!”
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

18 But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed:

“Their sound has gone out to all the earth,
And their words to the ends of the world.”

19 But I say, did Israel not know? First Moses says:

“I will provoke you to jealousy by those who are not a nation,
I will move you to anger by a foolish nation.”
20 But Isaiah is very bold and says:

“I was found by those who did not seek Me;
I was made manifest to those who did not ask for Me.”
21 But to Israel he says:

“All day long I have stretched out My hands
To a disobedient and contrary people.”